is there a divide between Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns?

[Golden]

do you have proof of this???

In every punjabi village. I'm talking about upper punjab villages. Usually old chap, as 2nd wife or disabled guy have Afghan wife. Afghan refugees and punjabis live like brothers, there is no divide. So how can there be divide between same tribes in both sides? The reason they want them out is purely economic. Plus bowing down to Kabul rulers isn't criteria for being pashtun or pathan. Hazaras, tajiks, uzbeks will never become Afghans, they will always remain who they are.

[Golden]

I have never been to Khyber. The Afghans I am talking about are full Pashtuns who have lived in Peshawar and surrounding areas before coming to the west. That sentence of them being more Afghan/Pashtun than an actual Afghan/Pashtun is the exact kind of Paki bias BS that I hate about this forum. Regardless of where they are more likely than not their loyalties are to Pakistan and not to Afghanistan unless they are from Quetta. Thus there is no way in hell they are more Afghan than even a watan frosh like Ahmad Shah Massoud or any other piece of trash who contributed to the civil war.

I'll tell you right now the three types of Paki Pashtuns who I have met in my life:
1. Is Afghan when speaking to Afghans and is Paki when speaking to everyone else.
2. Does not consider themselves Porki, usually from Quetta.
3. Born in the West, does not even speak Pashto but speaks Urdu, and calls themselves Pathan.

The Persianization of Pashtuns in Afghanistan is the Persian culture of the country of Pashtuns Afghanistan. Every single great leader of our history post Islam has been Persianized.

You're mistaken about Queta pashtuns, Afghan=Pashtun doesn't mean they want to become part of Afghanistan. The only difference is they are minority in Balochistan against combined brahui/baloch alliance and want numbers to be on their side with help of some afghani muhajirs. Because right now making new provinces will be like opening pandora box, so they will remain part of Balochistan.

Even then never heard of any separatist movement from Balochistan pashtuns, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Golden]

Also you guys can deny this all you want but there is most definitely a distinct Afghan Pashtun look and a distinct Paki Pathan look. Paki Pathans look like an Afghan if you mixed him a little with a punjabi but it is noticeable. Even the very light skin Pakis have that Paki look to them.

Edit: this is actually more about Swat and Peshawar Pakis. Im not too sure about the village ones, but from the pictures iv seen of Waziristan I think they would pass for an Afghan Pashtun.

You never been to KPK/FATA but is very sure about how they look. Guess what unless you cherry pick afghan pashtuns also look Indians, look at recent two afghan pashtun terrorists one from USA and other from Germany. Both didn't look pathan but Indians to me. Your cricket team look more Indian then pathan unlike Afridi, Gul, Younis, Junaid, Yasir Shah etc. I think you're just butthurt and now have come down to racial differences.

Pathans and punjabis don't mix much, unless in diaspora or in big cities in Pakistan. The only mixing happening right now is between afghan refugee girls and punjabis in rural areas.

[Karachi]

In every punjabi village. I'm talking about upper punjab villages. Usually old chap, as 2nd wife or disabled guy have Afghan wife. Afghan refugees and punjabis live like brothers, there is no divide. So how can there be divide between same tribes in both sides? The reason they want them out is purely economic. Plus bowing down to Kabul rulers isn't criteria for being pashtun or pathan. Hazaras, tajiks, uzbeks will never become Afghans, they will always remain who they are.

give me actual proof, your words mean nothing, as you are a known liar, also most afghan refugees would probably go to bigger cities, rather hellhole punjabi villages. There are intermarriages around the border area of KP and Punjab, but I doubt Afghan refeguess would marry somebody way deep in to Punjab, their culture is so freakin different, Poor Afghan women would have no chance surviving in hellhole places like that

[Golden]

give me actual proof, your words mean nothing, as you are a known liar, also most afghan refugees would probably go to bigger cities, rather hellhole punjabi villages. There are intermarriages around the border area of KP and Punjab, but I doubt Afghan refeguess would marry somebody way deep in to Punjab, their culture is so freakin different, Poor Afghan women would have no chance surviving in hellhole places like that

This is common knowledge, afghans in punjab know it and so do any punjabi from rural areas. If you want video evidence, sorry can't provide it so continue to believe its a lie. Upper north central punjab villages are richer then combined Afghanistan thanks to remittances and industries build around them in small towns not to forget fertile land. For afghan women punjabi village and culture is like heaven on earth. But problem is they marry them with old, disabled or someone already married. But afghans already marry their young girls to older afghans anyway and 2nd marriage is common.

Mixing between pathans and punjabis don't happen unless among elite takba of big cities. I don't consider big city people pathans or punjabis since they love their english and urdu and have forgotten rural culture.

Its amusing to read pathan and punjabis are mixing when thats not the case at all. Why? because majority of pathans and punjabis live in rural areas. Do you think they go all the way to marry someone of different background when first choice is cousin next door? Nope lol. Between Pakistanis of different ethnic groups mixing only happen in cities like Lahore, islamabad or Karachi because they are multi ethnic and people live close to each other.

But for those punjabis in rural areas who can't get rishta from elsewhere, for them afghan wife always is option thanks to our afghan muhajir brothers.

[Karachi]

This is common knowledge, afghans in punjab know it and so do any punjabi from rural areas. If you want video evidence, sorry can't provide it so continue to believe its a lie. Upper north central punjab villages are richer then combined Afghanistan thanks to remittances and industries build around them in small towns not to forget fertile land. For afghan women punjabi village and culture is like heaven on earth. But problem is they marry them with old, disabled or someone already married. But afghans already marry their young girls to older afghans anyway and 2nd marriage is common.

Mixing between pathans and punjabis don't happen unless among elite takba of big cities. I don't consider big city people pathans or punjabis since they love their english and urdu and have forgotten rural culture.

Its amusing to read pathan and punjabis are mixing when thats not the case at all. Why? because majority of pathans and punjabis live in rural areas. Do you think they go all the way to marry someone of different background when first choice is cousin next door? Nope lol. Between Pakistanis of different ethnic groups mixing only happen in cities like Lahore, islamabad or Karachi because they are multi ethnic and people live close to each other.

But for those punjabis in rural areas who can't get rishta from elsewhere, for them afghan wife always is option thanks to our afghan muhajir brothers.

you know how I know you're a liar, because most afghan refguees live in KPK, 80% of them and others mostly live in Balochistan, and Sindh (karachi)

Punjab has the lowest number of Afghan refugees out of the 4 provinces, and most of the onces in Punjab live in Rawalpindi, Islambad and Lahore according to this Afghans in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again you must be marrying somebody else, thinking they are afghans, with the dumbness shown by punjabis all the time, that is defiantly possible

[Golden]

you know how I know you're a liar, because most afghan refguees live in KPK, 80% of them and others mostly live in Balochistan, and Sindh (karachi)

Punjab has the lowest number of Afghan refugees out of the 4 provinces, and most of the onces in Punjab live in Rawalpindi, Islambad and Lahore according to this Afghans in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again you must be marrying somebody else, thinking they are afghans, with the dumbness shown by punjabis all the time, that is defiantly possible

Afghani brother I don't want to go in to detail why afghans marry their daughters to punjabis in rural areas. But it happen, nothing to loss sleep over remember we are all muslim brothers. Wiki lol let me change it and come back, just kidding.

good bye

[Karachi]

Afghani brother I don't want to go in to detail why afghans marry their daughters to punjabis in rural areas. But it happen, nothing to loss sleep over remember we are all muslim brothers. Wiki lol let me change it and come back, just kidding.

good bye

But the problem is, your are ****t_ing from your mouth, if you even bring me some kind of evidence, like an article, I will believe you. But you can't produce an article out of your ass, can you?

[Golden]

But the problem is, your are ****t_ing from your mouth, if you even bring me some kind of evidence, like an article, I will believe you. But you can't produce an article out of your ass, can you?

brother this may come as shock to western based afghan refugees but not those in Pakistan. I don't want to go in to details why these arranged marriages happen. But they are with in islamic laws so non of our business.

[Aryana]

The dirt on the shoes of Pashtuns from KPK & FATA is better than these fake Pashtuns like Aryana & FootBall who can't even speak Pashto.

Would love to see things from your perspective, but I can't go that far up my ass.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Divide is only for those living in the west with zero knowledge about the ground realities.

Take example of Kushan or the football guy,He doesn't know a **** about Pashto,haven't been to Afghanistan or Pakistan ever but still pretending as if they know everything.

It is true that Pakistani Pashtuns are loyal to Pakistan as are the Afghan Pashtuns to the Foreign imposed govt in Kabul.

Anyway the thing is that the Pakistani Pashtuns don't need a certificate from a farsiband or a Pashtun with zero knowledge of Pashto and mongoloid heritage(remember the hippie trail part and incest).

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The major plus point of being a Pakistani is that you have the certificate of being a better Muslim.A muslim with the task of uniting the ummah and promotion of Islam.It might not matter to many of you guys but it does for me.

[Karachi]

The major plus point of being a Pakistani is that you have the certificate of being a better Muslim.A muslim with the task of uniting the ummah and promotion of Islam.It might not matter to many of you guys but it does for me.

ahahhahahha you are the most delusional stupid person in the history of this forum.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

ahahhahahha you are the most delusional stupid person in the history of this forum.

says a person who's so much into inferiority complex that he hates his own people.

[marwat]

Golden peace of dung is laying, as karachi have clearly pointed out, afghan refugee don't live in punjab other than pindi, lahore, islamabad and some in faisalabad. what would they do in rural punjab lol, farming? punjabo itself starving in villages and recently they have flooded our areas where they sell ice cream (salary 3.5$ a day), desi ghee and religious books. i have asked them numerous times about the living condition of people living there where he came from,according to them rural areas of KP have 10 times more quality living then those of punjab. punjabi are farmers but they are not land owners.
naturally refugee all over the world prefer to live in big cities for better opportunities where they can live in communities, can watch back each other. i lived in di khan , lakki marwat and abbottabad, and there is not a single afghan refugee family i came to know who lived in rural areas. even in cities after three decade they do not mix with local pashtun, you will not see them sitting with locals at chai hotels, i have not witnessed a single marriage between locals and refugees.
rest the case of afghan refugee selling their daughter to punjabi peasant, a punjabi peasant can't even afford an extra tomatoes for a meal