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  • Afghanistan Future in Taliban Hands ?

    Why disaffected young Afghans are warming to a Taliban comeback

    By Tim Craig March 1
    KABUL — At this stage of his career, Ahmad Jawad would like to be selling the terraced estates that housed Taliban leaders before they were driven from the Afghan capital in 2001.

    But the 27-year-old real estate agent hasn’t sold a house in nearly a year, and he is so desperate for money that he hopes the Taliban returns to Kabul to impose “rule of law.”

    “If they can enforce the law like it was enforced during their reign, they are welcome,” said Jawad, who blames unemployment, graft and the lack of security for a collapse in Kabul’s housing market. “There was less crime. There was less corruption. There was less embezzlement.”

    His words reflect a shift in the opinions held by some of Kabul’s millennials on both the Taliban and President Ashraf Ghani’s government: Bashing the Islamist insurgency has gone out of style as frustration with the current leadership mounts.

    In the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, young urban Afghans were among the most vocal opponents of the Taliban, recoiling not just at its brutality, which included public executions, but also the restraints it imposed on women and its demands that men grow beards.

    Noorullah Noori, 24, looks online for ways to jumpstart his logistics business. As Afghanistan’s economy flounders, he has struggled to find clients and now thinks the government should reconcile with the Taliban to turn things around. (Tim Craig/THE WASHINGTON POST)
    These progressive 20-somethings, with their embrace of technology, education and Western culture, were seen as an emblem of Afghanistan’s bright future. They also formed the backbone of an urban workforce that thrived when more than 100,000 troops and billions of dollars of relief money flowed into the country after 9/11.

    [Years after invasion, the U.S. leaves a cultural imprint on Afghanistan]

    Now, as the drawdown of coalition forces saps revenue from the local economy, many younger Afghans appear more open to the idea of the Taliban assimilating into, and perhaps even changing, the existing government and constitutional order.

    “The current situation is so bad, I don’t care who rules the country,” said Khalid Asif, a 24-year-old technician. “There is an ugly face to the Taliban, but there is an ugly face to everything.”

    The shift comes as Ghani’s government hopes to reengage the Taliban in peace talks this week. Although discussions are expected to drag on for months, the erosion of public support for the president could strengthen the Taliban’s hand at the bargaining table.

    And as misery builds in Kabul, more young urbanites are reassessing some of their views.

    Over the past year, the currency’s value has dropped 21 percent, driving up the cost of imported goods. The unemployment rate is also rising — ranging now from 25 percent to 40 percent, according to separate analyses from the Labor Ministry and the Afghan Central Statistics Organization.

    And it’s not just a matter of economic woes. The dream of Kabul eventually becoming a more modern city also appears to be fading.

    [Kabul was eerie and dangerous under the Taliban. It feels that way again.]

    Because of security concerns, Western diplomats and contractors now shuttle around the capital in low-flying helicopters that rattle windows and nerves. Last month, Afghan officials say, militants blew up several transmission lines, cutting off much of Kabul’s electricity for three weeks.

    The city of at least 3 million people doesn’t even have a mayor because Ghani and Afghanistan’s chief executive, Abdullah Abdullah, have been unable to agree on how to fill thousands of vacant government positions.

    And interviews with two dozen young adults suggest there are some red lines limiting what they would give up for peace and economic stability.
    They won’t stand for restrictions on free speech, women’s rights, the media or use of the Internet or social media, they say. But increasingly, it seems, more things are creeping into the category of negotiable.

    “There is no room for negotiation about the Internet, but in terms of TV stations, they could change some,” said Nim Asad Saadat, 19, a student at Kabul University, adding that some “Indian TV shows and Turkish soap operas” run counter to “Islamic values.”

    Even some Shiite millennials appear to be softening their views of the Sunni-dominated Taliban. When the group ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, thousands of Shiites were killed in clashes with the government.

    “We still think they are cruel people . . . but now we also see the result of this government,” said Najibullah Hamidyar, 34. “So we Afghans think if the Taliban takes part in this government, and if the situation brings peace, that is okay.”

    Over the past two years, analysts say, Kabul’s young people have cycled through various stages of grief as government promises of jobs and security failed to materialize.


    [Afghans fleeing danger, hopelessness at home run into peril transiting Iran]

    Musa Fariwar, a law professor and political analyst, said younger Afghans now increasingly accept that the Taliban may return in some form.

    “They see that foreign intervention has failed, and if the whole international community can’t defeat the Taliban, we have no choice but to start peace talks,” Fariwar said.

    At an Internet cafe in Kabul’s upper-middle-class Taimani neighborhood, other young adults sounded more optimistic.

    Noorullah Noori, 24, said he remembers as a child in the late 1990s “being scared just seeing Taliban leaders” in his Shiite neighborhood. Yet Noori, whose logistics business has seen revenue fall by 90 percent in three years, says he’s ready to forget the past.

  • #2
    That's like saying Iraq's future is in ISIS's hands or Somalia's future in Al shabab's hands. What ludacris article. This estate agent thinks the return of Taliban will house prices, maybe he is too young to remember that during Taliban rule, houses were selling for peanuts. You could buy a 5 bedroom house in Kabul for 20 thousand dollars. Taliban are a bunch of madrassa students who make good cannon fodder and foot soldiers but they can't run an economy. Saddam Hussein and other dictators also insured peace and security through opression and intimidation. Do people want peace and security at the expense of their freedom and dignity?
    Last edited by Shapur; 07-20-2016, 07:56 PM.

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    • #3
      Future? I don't think there is any future for Afghanistan as we know today if taliban gain any form of power be it political or by force. For one farsis will form their own separate country so current day Afghanistan will cease to exist. If TTP was as influenced as is the case in Afghanistan then Pakistan would have already been broken.

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      • #4
        The neighboring countries will not let Afghanistan toward Peace and Stability unless it is internally strong.
        "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Golden View Post
          Future? I don't think there is any future for Afghanistan as we know today if taliban gain any form of power be it political or by force. For one farsis will form their own separate country so current day Afghanistan will cease to exist. If TTP was as influenced as is the case in Afghanistan then Pakistan would have already been broken.
          Thought you bu*thurt Pakistanis had left this site but now you are back once again. How come? lol
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shapur View Post
            That's like saying Iraq's future is in ISIS's hands or Somalia's future in Al shabab's hands. What ludacris article. This estate agent thinks the return of Taliban will house prices, maybe he is too young to remember that during Taliban rule, houses were selling for peanuts. You could buy a 5 bedroom house in Kabul for 20 thousand dollars. Taliban are a bunch of madrassa students who make good cannon fodder and foot soldiers but they can't run an economy. Saddam Hussein and other dictators also insured peace and security through opression and intimidation. Do people want peace and security at the expense of their freedom and dignity?
            Inflation is created with increased money supply. Americans brought the money supply ie military spending, that is why home prices and the prices of other goods and service increased. As you can see right now, the prices are going down because money supply is shrinking ie American military spending is shrinking. The two are directly correlated.
            Afghanistan is naturally poor. In real terms, the Afghan economy wont be that much different whether it is run by madrassa students or afghan expats who just want to fill their pockets. The only difference is that the afghan expats will leave as soon as they cant make money anymore for themselves and the madrassa students will stay.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by khushal View Post
              Inflation is created with increased money supply. Americans brought the money supply ie military spending, that is why home prices and the prices of other goods and service increased. As you can see right now, the prices are going down because money supply is shrinking ie American military spending is shrinking. The two are directly correlated.
              Afghanistan is naturally poor. In real terms, the Afghan economy wont be that much different whether it is run by madrassa students or afghan expats who just want to fill their pockets. The only difference is that the afghan expats will leave as soon as they cant make money anymore for themselves and the madrassa students will stay.
              I was talking about during the Talib rule, not after the invasion. You are right that the influx of money after the invasion created a false economy, this is well acknowledged across the board. It is also true that Afghanistan is not a very rich country due to a number of factors. No one denies this. What I am pointing out is, the estate agent thinks the return of madrass students will mean better business, what do madrassa students know about running an economy? It is a case of "grass is greener on the other side", just because things are bad under NUG doesn't mean madrassa students are a good alternative. These things take time, people need to work towards ending corruption and let the experts do their job.
              Not every expat is is there to fill their pockets, some genuinely wanted to help Afghanistan. Just like not every madrassa student is a sincere muslim, there are good and bad in each group. Madrassa student should study fiqh and provide guidance to the technocrats and experts from an islamic view point, they shouldn't be greedy and want to become economy ministers. I am not saying you can't be a madrassa student and an economist att he same time but the current madrassa system does not include economics etc so its really unlikely a madrassa students would be qualified enough to run the economy of the state.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                I was talking about during the Talib rule, not after the invasion. You are right that the influx of money after the invasion created a false economy, this is well acknowledged across the board. It is also true that Afghanistan is not a very rich country due to a number of factors. No one denies this. What I am pointing out is, the estate agent thinks the return of madrass students will mean better business, what do madrassa students know about running an economy? It is a case of "grass is greener on the other side", just because things are bad under NUG doesn't mean madrassa students are a good alternative. These things take time, people need to work towards ending corruption and let the experts do their job.
                Not every expat is is there to fill their pockets, some genuinely wanted to help Afghanistan. Just like not every madrassa student is a sincere muslim, there are good and bad in each group. Madrassa student should study fiqh and provide guidance to the technocrats and experts from an islamic view point, they shouldn't be greedy and want to become economy ministers. I am not saying you can't be a madrassa student and an economist att he same time but the current madrassa system does not include economics etc so its really unlikely a madrassa students would be qualified enough to run the economy of the state.
                You forgot that the madrassa students only filled in when those expats ran when the heat got to hot and they came back on the shoulders of a foreign army who accomplished nothing but a fake economy.

                The question is when you run when the country needs you the most, what right do you have to run anything in that country.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  You forgot that the madrassa students only filled in when those expats ran when the heat got to hot and they came back on the shoulders of a foreign army who accomplished nothing but a fake economy.

                  The question is when you run when the country needs you the most, what right do you have to run anything in that country.
                  Let's be honest here, the people who couldn't leave were those who didn't have enough money to pay the smugglers not because of love for their for the country. True patriots and momineen are few and far between. The madrassa students would probably have been the first to leave, if they had the means to do so. Poor people send their kids to madrassas because there is either a lack of public schools or they can't afford private schools. The madrassa which are sometimes funded with petro dollar money is the only choice they have for a decent meal a day and some sort of education which is free. If these people had the money they would rather be going to private schools getting proper education or leave for abroad. So let's not assume that those who stayed behind did so out of patriotism or religious duty althouh there are exceptions as always.

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                  • #10
                    The two guys mentioned in the artical are 27 and 24 so at the start of taliban rule they were 7 year and 4 and with US invasion they were 12 and 9. I wonder what kind of business they had that it was so great in those years, and how do they even know that Afghanistan was more secure and there was less corruption when there was no independent media to report or even a group who could say a thing abour taliboons? And even if they were what does a chiled understand what is going on....

                    How retarded are this people, that just for extra cash they want to bring back savage rule of taliban. Do they lack so much will power that they dont see any other option to better the country than just go back to a brutal and opressive regime... -_-
                    Last edited by Khostai; 07-27-2016, 02:16 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                      Let's be honest here, the people who couldn't leave were those who didn't have enough money to pay the smugglers not because of love for their for the country. True patriots and momineen are few and far between. The madrassa students would probably have been the first to leave, if they had the means to do so. Poor people send their kids to madrassas because there is either a lack of public schools or they can't afford private schools. The madrassa which are sometimes funded with petro dollar money is the only choice they have for a decent meal a day and some sort of education which is free. If these people had the money they would rather be going to private schools getting proper education or leave for abroad. So let's not assume that those who stayed behind did so out of patriotism or religious duty althouh there are exceptions as always.
                      Your making excuses and avoiding the question plus you committed a
                      tu quoque fallacy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        The two guys mentioned in the artical are 27 and 24 so at the start of taliban rule they were 7 year and 4 and with US invasion they were 12 and 9. I wonder what kind of business they had that it was so great in those years, and how do they even know that Afghanistan was more secure and there was less corruption when there was no independent media to report or even a group who could say a thing abour taliboons? And even if they were what does a chiled understand what is going on....

                        How retarded are this people, that just for extra cash they want to bring back savage rule of taliban. Do they lack so much will power that they dont see any other option to better the country than just go back to a brutal and opressive regime... -_-
                        Most of your posts are littered(including this one) with

                        personal incredulity fallacy.




                        You lack intellect to comprehend.

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