Pakistani Pashtuns burning Afghanistan´s flag

[Firdousi]

Dear Pashtun nationalist brothers:

Enjoy your Loy Awghanistan wet dream. Its time to wake up. You need to understand that Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Turkemans, Baluchs,.. are your brothers. These Pathans are your enemies and don't give a f*ck about you.

Kabul Press

[Golden]

This is clearly in response to unprovoked firing at border which killed many Pakistani civilians.

[Samandri]

While checking about the details on Durand line agreements , i realized that Afghan monarchs were very stupid and short-sighted, they are the ones who should be blamed the most by the people of Afghanistan . Amir Abdur Rahman signed a very humiliating agreement, all for subsidy of few lakh Rupees......His successor Amir Habibullah, was told by British that Durand treaty of 1893 with his father is null and void and no subsidy will be given to him....the beghairat Amir pressed on and convinced British for renewal of Durand line Agreement, subsidy was resumed to him.....King Amanullah , after going to the length of waging war against British in 1919, should not have signed the Durand agreement......but he signed it in 1921, it was the third time........Next King, Nadir Shah agreed with British that he wont interfere in internal affairs of NWFP.....so that when in 1947 Afghanistan tried to have say in referendum in NWFP, they were sharply reminded by British that Afghanistan can not interfere in affairs of NWFP according to the agreement.....


Red Shirts and Congress were also fraud.....from the documents and newspaper statements of 1947, its obvious that Red Shirts wanted autonomous "Pathanistan" within India........and they had no "Pathanistan" in mind before 1947's referendum...Bacha Khan's friends Nehru was most probably not sincere and would not have tolerated autonomous NWFP unit within India like Pakistan.

Jinnah , in his statements of 1947, assured that freedom of "Pathans" will be respected and that NWFP will be an autonomous unit within Pakistan........Jinnah did not fulfill his promise and did not grant autonomy to NWFP.......people of NWFP were fooled by Muslim league with the name of Islam, with the help of Pirs and Mullahs.......Pir Manki in his speeches to Pashtuns before referendum, assure them that there will be Sharia and rules of Quran implemented in Pakistan (This Pir felt betrayed after creation of Pakistan as no such promise was fulfilled and Jinnah switched to his natural secular outlook, this pir was arrested and put in jail by Liaqat Ali Khan)

If today Pakistani Pashtuns are "different", brainwashed, "pakistanized" , "Urdufied" or whatever........they are not be blamed, too much time has passed since their separation from Afghanistan and every kind of brainwashing was applied on them to make feel them distinct and different from Afghans and Afghanistan. Dont believe in the claims of some western nationalist with roots from Pakistan, that Lar Pashtuns want to join Afghanistan......

[Firdousi]

While checking about the details on Durand line agreements , i realized that Afghan monarchs were very stupid and short-sighted, they are the ones who should be blamed the most by the people of Afghanistan . Amir Abdur Rahman signed a very humiliating agreement, all for subsidy of few lakh Rupees......His successor Amir Habibullah, was told by British that Durand treaty of 1893 with his father is null and void and no subsidy will be given to him....the beghairat Amir pressed on and convinced British for renewal of Durand line Agreement, subsidy was resumed to him.....King Amanullah , after going to the length of waging war against British in 1919, should not have signed the Durand agreement......but he signed it in 1921, it was the third time........Next King, Nadir Shah agreed with British that he wont interfere in internal affairs of NWFP.....so that when in 1947 Afghanistan tried to have say in referendum in NWFP, they were sharply reminded by British that Afghanistan can not interfere in affairs of NWFP according to the agreement.....


Red Shirts and Congress were also fraud.....from the documents and newspaper statements of 1947, its obvious that Red Shirts wanted autonomous "Pathanistan" within India........and they had no "Pathanistan" in mind before 1947's referendum...Bacha Khan's friends Nehru was most probably not sincere and would not have tolerated autonomous NWFP unit within India like Pakistan.

Jinnah , in his statements of 1947, assured that freedom of "Pathans" will be respected and that NWFP will be an autonomous unit within Pakistan........Jinnah did not fulfill his promise and did not grant autonomy to NWFP.......people of NWFP were fooled by Muslim league with the name of Islam, with the help of Pirs and Mullahs.......Pir Manki in his speeches to Pashtuns before referendum, assure them that there will be Sharia and rules of Quran implemented in Pakistan (This Pir felt betrayed after creation of Pakistan as no such promise was fulfilled and Jinnah switched to his natural secular outlook, this pir was arrested and put in jail by Liaqat Ali Khan)

If today Pakistani Pashtuns are "different", brainwashed, "pakistanized" , "Urdufied" or whatever........they are not be blamed, too much time has passed since their separation from Afghanistan and every kind of brainwashing was applied on them to make feel them distinct and different from Afghans and Afghanistan.

I am not blaming Pathans. I am blaming some Pashtun Afghan nationalist, obsessed with this stupid Loy Afghanistan BS. Its a dead horse. No matter how much these nationalists beat it, it won't get them anywhere. They have screwed our relationship with Pakistan several times. Honestly, as a Tajik, I don't care about Pakistan. You are just another Islamic country to me. But Pashtun nationalists have been systematically played this card, that has brought us nothing but pain and misery. To us and to you. And here we are, hating each other when should learn to coexist.

Your country should also change its current pro-Pashtun policy and try to approach Tajiks. Dont get me wrong, brother, probably Tajiks are among all Afghan ethnicity those who hate your country the most. But we won't attack you as long as you stop your attacks on us. Since we are an highly urbanized ethnic group, our loyalty belongs to the state-nation and not to our ethnicity. Thats why the average Tajiks cares much more about Afghanistan than the average Pashtun, who still stuck in that stup*d ethnic/tribal paradigma/mentality (I must say at least you Pakistani Pashtuns have left behind this stage).

[Firdousi]

This is clearly in response to unprovoked firing at border which killed many Pakistani civilians.

Wish that was true.. but its not. No Pakistani civilian was harmed by our troops. According Paki media only one pakistani soldier was killed (probably few more died but we will never know). So stop lying. We are in Ramadan.

[Azmal]

You are right.

Make no mistake,the Shia controlled media of Afghanistan is no different than Trump or fox news....both generalizes and vilify people for their own agenda. Recycling ISI propaganda videos...meant to divide Pashtuns proves that at the end the interest of Pakistan and these people are identical--- both want recognition of Durand...a weak and subdued Pashtun---destruction of Pashtun nation.
We are going through the toughest time in our history, in no time in our history we were this divided, leaderless and frail …these hyenas are smelling blood…the only thing that can keep us from total destruction is unity…no matter what you think or what you believes…Islamist, Marxist, capitalist and what not…time to stand up and be counted in defense of Pashtun nation.

[Golden]

While checking about the details on Durand line agreements , i realized that Afghan monarchs were very stupid and short-sighted, they are the ones who should be blamed the most by the people of Afghanistan . Amir Abdur Rahman signed a very humiliating agreement, all for subsidy of few lakh Rupees......His successor Amir Habibullah, was told by British that Durand treaty of 1893 with his father is null and void and no subsidy will be given to him....the beghairat Amir pressed on and convinced British for renewal of Durand line Agreement, subsidy was resumed to him.....King Amanullah , after going to the length of waging war against British in 1919, should not have signed the Durand agreement......but he signed it in 1921, it was the third time........Next King, Nadir Shah agreed with British that he wont interfere in internal affairs of NWFP.....so that when in 1947 Afghanistan tried to have say in referendum in NWFP, they were sharply reminded by British that Afghanistan can not interfere in affairs of NWFP according to the agreement.....


Red Shirts and Congress were also fraud.....from the documents and newspaper statements of 1947, its obvious that Red Shirts wanted autonomous "Pathanistan" within India........and they had no "Pathanistan" in mind before 1947's referendum...Bacha Khan's friends Nehru was most probably not sincere and would not have tolerated autonomous NWFP unit within India like Pakistan.

Jinnah , in his statements of 1947, assured that freedom of "Pathans" will be respected and that NWFP will be an autonomous unit within Pakistan........Jinnah did not fulfill his promise and did not grant autonomy to NWFP.......people of NWFP were fooled by Muslim league with the name of Islam, with the help of Pirs and Mullahs.......Pir Manki in his speeches to Pashtuns before referendum, assure them that there will be Sharia and rules of Quran implemented in Pakistan (This Pir felt betrayed after creation of Pakistan as no such promise was fulfilled and Jinnah switched to his natural secular outlook, this pir was arrested and put in jail by Liaqat Ali Khan)

If today Pakistani Pashtuns are "different", brainwashed, "pakistanized" , "Urdufied" or whatever........they are not be blamed, too much time has passed since their separation from Afghanistan and every kind of brainwashing was applied on them to make feel them distinct and different from Afghans and Afghanistan. Dont believe in the claims of some western nationalist with roots from Pakistan, that Lar Pashtuns want to join Afghanistan......

pathanistan would have been like occupied Kashmir under the rule of Indian army. I don't blame Bacha Khan though, that was different time. Even in punjab till late 30's-40's most muslims were voting for secular Unionist Party.

But muslim league then started to radicalize rural muslims in punjab to vote for Pakistan. That's one of the reason for partition bloodshed as well.

Not saying muslim league was 100% right but either it was Pakistan as we know today or like Indian occupied Kashmir. Most people knowing this will still vote for Pakistan going back in time.

[Samandri]

Your country should also change its current pro-Pashtun policy and try to approach Tajiks

There was this Khorasani guy on defence.pk, telling Pakistanis that Tajiks have no enmity with Punjabis , and that Tajiks and Punjabis should join their hands together against "cave-men" , monkeys and barbarians of FATA and Afghanistan.......Defence.pk is a site of hardcore Pakistani nationalists....the response there to your hate-mongering Tajik was mixed. Some did not like the hate-mongering against their Pashtun countrymen but most of them were intrigued by the idea that Tajiks and Punjabis can be on the same page.....most of them are under the impression that its "Northern alliance" guys who are venomously anti-pakistani in Afghanistan and are friends of India. I wonder if you are that "Khurasani" guy who briefly appeared in defence.pk?......

You are advising Afghan-Pashtun in this thread not to trust Pashtun of Pakistan but your every second post is against Afghan-Pashtun, your countrymen. You show your intense hatred for Pakistan and Pakistanis on whims , and now you are hoping for Tajik-Pakistan friendship?......you are a very big troll

[Firdousi]

Make no mistake,the Shia controlled media of Afghanistan is no different than Trump or fox news....both generalizes and vilify people for their own agenda. Recycling ISI propaganda videos...meant to divide Pashtuns proves that at the end the interest of Pakistan and these people are identical--- both want recognition of Durand...a weak and subdued Pashtun---destruction of Pashtun nation.
We are going through the toughest time in our history, in no time in our history we were this divided, leaderless and frail …these hyenas are smelling blood…the only thing that can keep us from total destruction is unity…no matter what you think or what you believes…Islamist, Marxist, capitalist and what not…time to stand up and be counted in defense of Pashtun nation.

Pashtuns are already a weak, divided and subdued people. You don't need to blame all your miseries on "Shia Media". Its your own tribal culture that makes you kill each other. You will never have unity as long as you don't leave behind your stupid tribalism. There is no Durrand Line. Its an international recognized border. Pathans don't give a sh*t about you guys. Its time to wake up, accept your defeat and move on. It will take time but after few decades you Pashtuns will manage to have a stronger position in Afghanistan. But you need to change. If you don't, then everyone will take use of your stupidity. Mark my words. Its for your own good.

[Azmal]

pathanistan would have been like occupied Kashmir under the rule of Indian army. I don't blame Bacha Khan though, that was different time. Even in punjab till late 30's-40's most muslims were voting for secular Unionist Party.

But muslim league then started to radicalize rural muslims in punjab to vote for Pakistan. That's one of the reason for partition bloodshed as well.

Not saying muslim league was 100% right but either it was Pakistan as we know today or like Indian occupied Kashmir. Most people knowing this will still vote for Pakistan going back in time.

There are more Muslims in India then Pakistan, this proves the two nation theory of Jennah and Muslim league has failed. Even grand children of Jennah are Indian citizen. I think it was Mulavi Mawdodi who had told Jennah that he can't even bring Islam in his own person how he can bring Islam to India's Muslim. If you really think rationally without emotional attachment you will realize creation of Pakistan have had destroyed Hindustan's Muslim. In no time in Islam history, Muslim had pull their tails behind their legs and went in to corner...Muslim made 40% of Hindustan population but got only 28% of land...worst creation of Pakistan effectively divided Muslim--those that choice to stay in India and those that move to Pakistan...later creation of Bangladesh was a slap in face of all those Muslim league leaders. In addition, the cancer of Durand, continuation of forward policy of British Raj by Pakistani elite...and later creation and encouragement of Islamism (after Bangaldish creation) was meant continuous war/hatred between Muslim of Hindustan(Pakistan) and their protectors--Suni Afghans.(Afghans has always acted as protector of Hindustani Muslims--ex Shah Waliullah request to Ahmad Shah.)

[Samandri]

pathanistan would have been like occupied Kashmir under the rule of Indian army. I don't blame Bacha Khan though, that was different time. Even in punjab till late 30's-40's most muslims were voting for secular Unionist Party.

But muslim league then started to radicalize rural muslims in punjab to vote for Pakistan. That's one of the reason for partition bloodshed as well.

Not saying muslim league was 100% right but either it was Pakistan as we know today or like Indian occupied Kashmir. Most people knowing this will still vote for Pakistan going back in time.

I agree with you, it would have been even worse than Occupied Kashmir....as Pashtuns have mentality of returning blow for pinch....and India would have been 100 times more harsh on Pashtuns than they were on Kashmiris. Bacha Khan, whose niece was married to a non-Muslim Sikh, was a Congressi, who copied his non-violence from his mentor Gandhi, was making us slaves of Hindus (the genuine Dhalkhors who nowadays are stabbing some Muslims for eating mutton)...........Afghans are fooled by ANP nationalists, the former incorrectly believe that Khudai Khidmatgar had locked its horns with British for Loy Afghanistan.

[Azmal]

[Azmal]

I agree with you, it would have been even worse than Occupied Kashmir....as Pashtuns have mentality of returning blow for pinch....and India would have been 100 times more harsh on Pashtuns than they were on Kashmiris. Bacha Khan, whose niece was married to a non-Muslim Sikh, was a Congressi, who copied his non-violence from his mentor Gandhi, was making us slaves of Hindus (the genuine Dhalkhors who nowadays are stabbing some Muslims for eating mutton)...........Afghans are fooled by ANP nationalists, the former believe that Khudai Khidmatgar had locked its horns with British for Loy Afghanistan.

Sources? Kashmiri are 1000% better then what Pakistan is doing/did to Wazeristan. Have you ever heard India using air force to bombard Kashmir?

[Firdousi]

There was this Khorasani guy on defence.pk, telling Pakistanis that Tajiks have no enmity with Punjabis , and that Tajiks and Punjabis should join their hands together against "cave-men" , monkeys and barbarians of FATA and Afghanistan.......Defence.pk is a site of hardcore Pakistani nationalists....the response there to your hate-mongering Tajik was mixed. Some did not like the hate-mongering against their Pashtun countrymen but most of them were intrigued by the idea that Tajiks and Punjabis can be on the same page.....most of them are under the impression that its "Northern alliance" guys who are venomously anti-pakistani in Afghanistan and are friends of India. I wonder if you are that "Khurasani" guy who briefly appeared in defence.pk?......

You are advising Afghan-Pashtun in this thread not to trust Pashtun of Pakistan but your every second post is against Afghan-Pashtun, your countrymen. You show your intense hatred for Pakistan and Pakistanis on whims , and now you are hoping for Tajik-Pakistan friendship?......you are a very big troll

Not a clue who that Khorasani guy is. Never had an account of Pak-Defense. But I see his point. And even agree with it to some degree. There are so many Afghans fed up with Pashtun tribalism.

I am not a troll. I am a pragmatic person. I never talked about friendship with Pakistan. I told you we hate Pakistan more than any other ethnic group in Afghanistan. But we don't care about Loy Awghansitan and we won't attack you as long as you stop your attacks on us. There is no love for India. The only thing that draw us together is our common hatred toward Pakistan. If you guys stop being a pain in the a*s, we might tolerate you. I don't even know what "Northern Alliance" is. Some of their figures (Rabbani, Abdullah, etc) are part of the government. Some others such as Sayyaf or Ismael Khan are pariahs. Nobody gives a crap about them. Others such as Saleh spent most time abroad lobbying against Pakistan than in Afghanistan. Some people even wonder where are these others guys, Qanooni, Bismillah Khan, etc.

There is no love for India, neither NA exists. You Pakistanis want to believe so because you are extremely fool and emotional people. Thats why your country is becoming North Korea 2.0. You need to be pragmatic but you can't bascially because Pakistan was founded on the basis of "Islamic brotherhood" and "anti-India" BS. Well, nobody cares about that, guys lol

[Golden]

There are more Muslims in India then Pakistan, this proves the two nation theory of Jennah and Muslim league has failed. Even grand children of Jennah are Indian citizen. I think it was Mulavi Mawdodi who had told Jennah that he can't even bring Islam in his own person how he can bring Islam to India's Muslim. If you really think rationally without emotional attachment you will realize creation of Pakistan have had destroyed Hindustan's Muslim. In no time in Islam history, Muslim had pull their tails behind their legs and went in to corner...Muslim made 40% of Hindustan population but got only 28% of land...worst creation of Pakistan effectively divided Muslim--those that choice to stay in India and those that move to Pakistan...later creation of Bangladesh was a slap in face of all those Muslim league leaders. In addition, the cancer of Durand, continuation of forward policy of British Raj by Pakistani elite...and later creation and encouragement of Islamism (after Bangaldish creation) was meant continuous war/hatred between Muslim of Hindustan(Pakistan) and their protectors--Suni Afghans.(Afghans has always acted as protector of Hindustani Muslims--ex Shah Waliullah request to Ahmad Shah.)

I don't care about two nation theory neither I feel kinship on basis of religion alone. If not Pakistan then I would have wanted punjabi muslims and sikhs to form their own country based on punjabi language. Afghani pathans cry about paki pathans being brainwahsed, now imagine if Bacha Khan plans were successful. Things could have been much worse.