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    Torkham clashes are Pakistan's diversion strategy, says ex-Afghan intelligence chief

    Clashes between Afghanistan and Pakistan border guards started on 12 June when Afghan forces prevented the Pakistani border guards from installing a gate at Torkham. For the last few days, the situation has been tense. Any construction near Torkham (no man’s land or zero point) is a violation of bilateral agreements between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    The build up to this conflict started when Pakistan stopped allowing movement of people without visas from crossing Torkham to the Pakistani side of the Durand Line, not recognised as the international border by Afghanistan.
    Afghan security forces carry the coffin of an Afghan soldier, who was killed during gun fighting between Afghan border forces and Pakistani forces at Torkham. ReutersAfghan security forces carry the coffin of an Afghan soldier, who was killed during gun fighting between Afghan border forces and Pakistani forces at Torkham. Reuters
    Pakistan Today reported that the Pakistani government was claiming that it took the step to crack down on terrorism but Pashtuns insist that curbs are placed on the travel of common people and travel of terrorists is facilitated by Pakistan. Pashtuns live on either side of the Durand Line and have parts of their families living on both sides.
    Durand Line is a colonial era border treaty signed between British and Afghan Emir Abdur Rahman Khan in 1893. It delineated spheres of influence during The Great Game and split the Pashtun population living on either side of it.
    Firstpost reached out to CEO Abdullah Abdullah and ex-chief of Afghan Intelligence Agency National Directorate of Security (NDS) Amrullah Saleh to discuss the recent clashes and the kind of military cooperation they expect from India.

    What are your comments on the clashes between forces of Afghanistan and Pakistan at Torkham?

    Abdullah's media office: The fight in Torkham was started over new installations. Pakistan wanted to have new installations and that led to clashes. According to the agreement we had, Pakistan can't build any gates/installations in the zero point. Pakistan started the fight and Afghan forces are fighting in defence of their country. We are committed to protect our people against every foreign aggression as we have done in the past. We think this fight isn't serving anyone's interests and Pakistan should support our diplomatic efforts to overcome this challenge through diplomatic channels.

    Amrullah Saleh: Pakistan has, in recent months, suffered on a number of issues; (former Taliban chief) Mansour’s killing was a massive humiliation for them. It showed there is no such thing in Pakistan called full spectrum deterrence and that their space can be easily breached. It also showed that they were harbouring terrorists openly on their soil. Also a number of articles, op-eds and commentaries in reputable and prestigious US publications like the National Interest which ran a story called Don't be scared to squeeze Pakistan, pushed them to focus on a diversion strategy. This time the diversion strategy can't be an attack against India or another massive infiltration in Kashmir or another Mumbai. So they identified Afghanistan as a soft spot with international importance and significance. Pakistan army started to build installations on our side of the Durand Line and the Afghan forces responded bravely. That is the story.

    What kind of military cooperation does Afghanistan expect from India, both in the short term and long term?

    Abdullah's media office: India is a great friend of Afghanistan. India supported Afghanistan unconditionally and we thank India for the support they provided to us. Our first request from all of our partners and friends is to enhance our defence capabilities. Help us improve the performance of our National Security and Defence Forces (NSDF). We want our partners to equip our forces so we can fight terrorism and all other relevant threats on our own.

    Amrullah Saleh: I echo the Indian strategists who say there is no exit option for India. Exactly. India as a rising power has shown morale leadership in the region and has tried to stand on the side of values, state systems and civil society. So India is already seen as a country associated with education, health, urban development, energy, infrastructure, agriculture, higher education and media. That is the soft power of India projected. But Afghanistan needs hard capabilities to defend itself against the terror onslaught which is backed by our nuclear neighbour Pakistan. So in that regard, my suggestion is that it is in the interest of both countries to have close defence, security and intelligence ties as the enemy is common, the threat is common and we share a destiny interlinked. India can also do a lot diplomatically by connecting the region and engendering a narrative of cooperation and harmony. There has been some work in this regard but more can be done. So I encourage India to work closely with ANDSF.
    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

    -Ferdowsi.

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    This amrullah guy is perhaps the most intelligent Afghanistani understanding the geopolitics of this region far better than anyone else in Afghanistan.

    I feel sad for him because Pakistan destroyed in future
    "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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    • #3
      Country under occupation for decades and in state of civil war yet they are more worried about gate on border. That's afghani slaves for you.

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      • #4
        ^ and here you are, crying for Electrical power but want that Green flag on top of Laal Qilla and making Afghanistan your 5th province. Stupidies don't end at border.
        yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
          ^ and here you are, crying for Electrical power but want that Green flag on top of Laal Qilla and making Afghanistan your 5th province. Stupidies don't end at border.
          bhai who want afghanistan to become 5th province? we already have 5 million of them in Pakistan to worry about. New generation of Pakistanis want border sealed and absolutely nothing to do with Afghanistan, time of Zia era generation is coming to an end.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Golden View Post
            bhai who want afghanistan to become 5th province? we already have 5 million of them in Pakistan to worry about. New generation of Pakistanis want border sealed and absolutely nothing to do with Afghanistan, time of Zia era generation is coming to an end.
            So you're saying It's not Pakistani Political Institutions agenda to control Afghan Geopolitics? You' guys are perfectly OK if Afghans have strategic and diplomatic ties with India? Don't get me wrong, from a practical sense I understand Pakistani Political Body have self preservation in mind. This is "RealPolitik". And hence Pakistan was aggressed upon by Afghanistan.

            But even then ..... Pakistani Government didn't want Afghanistan to have strong political relations with India. So regardless of whether Afghanistan picked a fight with Pakistan first, Pakistan Government expected Afghanistan to kowtow to its interests.

            What isn't "Fifth Province" about that?

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Golden View Post
              bhai who want afghanistan to become 5th province? we already have 5 million of them in Pakistan to worry about. New generation of Pakistanis want border sealed and absolutely nothing to do with Afghanistan, time of Zia era generation is coming to an end.
              I honestly don't understand how you back stabling lying two-faced pakis live with yourselves... building gate and wall to control people violates 1905 agreement with British Raj..that allows free flow of people who lives within 10 miles of Durand.
              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                I honestly don't understand how you back stabling lying two-faced pakis live with yourselves... building gate and wall to control people violates 1905 agreement with British Raj..that allows free flow of people who lives within 10 miles of Durand.
                You're one retarded afghani. 5 mile agreement doesn't mean every afghani can move all the way to Karachi after crossing the border. It's for people living within 5 miles of border not every afghani, after 5 miles get visa or get out.
                Last edited by Golden; 06-18-2016, 10:08 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                  So you're saying It's not Pakistani Political Institutions agenda to control Afghan Geopolitics? You' guys are perfectly OK if Afghans have strategic and diplomatic ties with India? Don't get me wrong, from a practical sense I understand Pakistani Political Body have self preservation in mind. This is "RealPolitik". And hence Pakistan was aggressed upon by Afghanistan.

                  But even then ..... Pakistani Government didn't want Afghanistan to have strong political relations with India. So regardless of whether Afghanistan picked a fight with Pakistan first, Pakistan Government expected Afghanistan to kowtow to its interests.

                  What isn't "Fifth Province" about that?
                  Maybe you didn't realize yet but days of Pakistan wanting any influence in Afghanistan are long gone, Zia era is coming to an end with building of gates and fences along the border. After that what Afghanistan do with India will not concern Pakistan.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Golden View Post
                    Maybe you didn't realize yet but days of Pakistan wanting any influence in Afghanistan are long gone, Zia era is coming to an end with building of gates and fences along the border. After that what Afghanistan do with India will not concern Pakistan.
                    Long Gone? Mullah Mansoor was in Pakistan, not quite that long gone.

                    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                    don’t try to be smart.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Golden View Post
                      Maybe you didn't realize yet but days of Pakistan wanting any influence in Afghanistan are long gone, Zia era is coming to an end with building of gates and fences along the border. After that what Afghanistan do with India will not concern Pakistan.
                      Lashkar-e Jhangvi, Lashkar-e Tayyiba, Khatam-e Nabbuwat, Sipah-e Sahaba, Jaish-e Mohammadi, Tehreek-e Nifaz-e Shariat-e Mohammadi and Afghan Taliban (Quetta and Peshawar Shura) are hiding in main Pakistani cities.

                      Where does Pak Fauj conduct operation? Karachi.

                      Lol. Quit joking. Strategic depth is in place until the army arrests each group it has helped create and takes a permanent back seat. If Pak Army really wants to abandon its policy, it can start by arresting the people who cause terrorism. Picking up a few Jihadi Pathans from FATA or building a gate a Torkham isn't going to solve this issue.
                      Last edited by Porus; 06-18-2016, 11:15 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Porus View Post
                        Lashkar-e Jhangvi, Lashkar-e Tayyiba, Khatam-e Nabbuwat, Sipah-e Sahaba, Jaish-e Mohammadi, Tehreek-e Nifaz-e Shariat-e Mohammadi and Afghan Taliban (Quetta and Peshawar Shura) are hiding in main Pakistani cities.

                        Where does Pak Fauj conduct operation? Karachi.

                        Lol. Quit joking. Strategic depth is in place until the army arrests each group it has helped create and takes a permanent back seat. If Pak Army really wants to abandon its policy, it can start by arresting the people who cause terrorism. Picking up a few Jihadi Pathans from FATA or building a gate a Torkham isn't going to solve this issue.
                        pathan bhai why are you lying? All these jhangvi you named hardly have any influence in Pakistan. There is a reason for 90% reduction in terrorism after zarb e azb. Karachi is in much better shape and will get even better once afghanis are deported back to Afghanistan.

                        If it was up to me I would line up every member of taliban and kill them one by one. But it's impossible to know who is who. So best option is to deport every afghani. Taliban are sole responsible for 99% of terrorism in Pakistan, these no name jhangvi shangvi parties you named are at best islamist types.

                        Building fence on border, gates and deporting afghanis is in effect proof of that so called myth of 5th column sound even more ridiculous by day.

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                        • #13
                          Pakistan never wanted a merger or any territory level gain from Afghanistan because Pakistan knew that it will come at the expense of People of Afghanistan with it.

                          Any injection of new people into Pakistan would threaten Pakistaniat and eventually Threaten the existence of Pakistan.

                          Pakistan just wanted to kill Pashtunistan movement and friendly govt.
                          "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                            Long Gone? Mullah Mansoor was in Pakistan, not quite that long gone.
                            There are two reasons why Pakistan is not giving up on his pro-terrorist policy:

                            1) Army call the shoots in Pakistan. They are extremely crazy, obsessed with India and with not a single clue about how politics works. For almost 40 years now they have been making decision that all of them turned out to be wrong.

                            2) Pakistan can't target AT because they are scared. If they backstab Taliban these guys would start killing Pakis.. and they know very well that NDS and RAW will help them.

                            Pakistan is between the rock and a hard place. They know it. World has changed. Terrorist countries will not be spared. There is a growing international pressure on Pakistan. Even Taliban know this and they are trying to shift their leadership from Quetta to Helmand. Sooner or later Pakistan must make a decision: choose between Taliban and the International Community. In any case is a lose-lose situation for them and a win-win for us.
                            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                            -Ferdowsi.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                              This amrullah guy is perhaps the most intelligent Afghanistani understanding the geopolitics of this region far better than anyone else in Afghanistan.

                              I feel sad for him because Pakistan destroyed in future
                              Indeed he is very smart and he did a damn great job by bleeding Pakistan badly. He is a hero and should be appointed as NDS director once again or as Defense Minister.
                              "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                              I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                              -Ferdowsi.

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