Let's be honest here; how many Pashtuns would tolerate their daughters or sisters running away with a Punjabi?
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Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."
Originally posted by ذو الفقارdon’t try to be smart.
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So is that why Heera Mandi is allowed to run? Porkistanis are some of the most disgusting people on this Earth. Give $50 do those opportunistic *******s and they'll do anything for you. Porkistanis not only sell their own daughters, sisters etc but they also sell their boys. It's gotten up to a point where only transgender hijra prostitutes can satisfy the sexual frustration of your filthy, degenerate people.Originally posted by Golden View Postlol even most pious muslims in Afghanistan (Taliban) were famous for gang raping women when they came to power. You're in no position to insult us afghani bacha
Honestly afghanis are most backward people on earth which is why your claims make no sense. All the things you mentioned are crimes common in every part of the world but no one else but only afghanis sell their own daughters and claim it as part of culture lmao"If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"
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None. I remember the story a pashtun girl running away with a Pakistan Army soldier in FATA. He requested Pakistan Army for help because the tribals wanted them both stoned to death. Army said sorry, but we don't have any jurisdiction here and handed them both over and they were killed.Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View PostLet's be honest here; how many Pashtuns would tolerate their daughters or sisters running away with a Punjabi?
Is the whole thing ridiculous? Of course. Pakistanis and Afghans are jahil and backwards people that make exceptions in Islam when it comes to their culture.
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"Punjabi" is not an ethnicity. Its a demonym. There are plenty of Pashtuns in Punjab: Imran Khan, Ahmad Shah Durrani Multani,.. and so on.Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View PostLet's be honest here; how many Pashtuns would tolerate their daughters or sisters running away with a Punjabi?"For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "
-Ferdowsi.
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In the Pashtun context we characterize Punjab was an ethnicity......soooo......Originally posted by Firdousi View Post"Punjabi" is not an ethnicity. Its a demonym. There are plenty of Pashtuns in Punjab: Imran Khan, Ahmad Shah Durrani Multani,.. and so on.
Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."
Originally posted by ذو الفقارdon’t try to be smart.
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Not many, but burning people alive is against Islam and cultural norms. And once the girl runs away the family just gives up and she will be declared sort of dead to them. They will not lurke her back or something and burn her alive.Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View PostLet's be honest here; how many Pashtuns would tolerate their daughters or sisters running away with a Punjabi?
But I dont know why all this punjabis here are so angry and drag Afghanistan in to this. It was your country people who did this, not Afghans.
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Your context is wrong.Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View PostIn the Pashtun context we characterize Punjab was an ethnicity......soooo......
Actually Pashtuns seems to be almost always wrong.. just wonder why."For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "
-Ferdowsi.
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It's not about dragging afghanis but some trolls sound hypocrital as if we don't know kon kitne pani mei hai.Originally posted by Khostai View PostNot many, but burning people alive is against Islam and cultural norms. And once the girl runs away the family just gives up and she will be declared sort of dead to them. They will not lurke her back or something and burn her alive.
But I dont know why all this punjabis here are so angry and drag Afghanistan in to this. It was your country people who did this, not Afghans.
I have heard of many stories of honour killing after girls run away but from first hand account most of the times people just forgive and forget after some time.
1. Some relative female cousin run away, guy turned out to be fraud. She eventually came back, from what I heard they even though of killing her. But sane heads prevailed and they married her off to someone.
2. Our distant male relative run away with afghani pathan majar girl. Afghanis started to search to kill them. Eventually both families forgave them since they married. Last time I heard they settled in Italy with childrens.
3. Family friend daughter run away with someone after she was forced to marry cousin. After some years they accepted her decision and now they talk with each other.
how many pathans will be ok with their daughter or sister running away with cousin relative, forget about stangers. lol
Running away in Pakistan is never ok no matter with who.Last edited by Golden; 06-10-2016, 12:06 PM.
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yeah being pathan isn't good excuse to be ignorant. He himself is influenced by hindu caste system of hamsayas where pashto speaking pathans like Toramana are considered low caste.Originally posted by Firdousi View PostYour context is wrong.
Actually Pashtuns seems to be almost always wrong.. just wonder why.Last edited by Golden; 06-10-2016, 11:20 AM.
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A mother doing the honour killing, and with fire.......thats uniqueOriginally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Postokay, you are right and i was wrong. what would happen to a pashtun girl if she were to marry a panjabi guy?? would only she be burned alive or the punjabi man as well??
why should this be treated as a shocking and unspeakable matter?? when pashtuns do it, it's a matter of nang, ghairat and pashtunwali but when a punjabi does it, it's cold blooded murder if not racial discrimination.
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Thats not how things occurred exactly , the soldier did not request his army , army was not involved at all let alone them "handing over" the two to villagers.....Originally posted by ANAcommander View PostNone. I remember the story a pashtun girl running away with a Pakistan Army soldier in FATA. He requested Pakistan Army for help because the tribals wanted them both stoned to death. Army said sorry, but we don't have any jurisdiction here and handed them both over and they were killed.
Is the whole thing ridiculous? Of course. Pakistanis and Afghans are jahil and backwards people that make exceptions in Islam when it comes to their culture.
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"A soldier accused of having an affair with a local woman has been stoned to death on the orders of tribal elders in north-west Pakistan, officials say.
Elders in Kurram tribal agency said scores of people threw stones at the soldier in a cemetery near the town of Parachinar until he bled to death.
Locals in the mostly Shia area opposed the alleged relationship because he was a Sunni Muslim and the woman a Shia.
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says it is not uncommon for those deemed to be involved in illicit relationships to be shot in Pakistan, but few if any public stonings have been carried out.
Shias in Pakistan are angry over the high number of sectarian attacks against them across the country in recent months.
Last year more than 400 Shias were killed in Pakistan by Sunni hardliners. So far this year, more than 200 Shias have been killed.
There was no immediate response from the military.
Officials say that the soldier, Anwar Din, was detained by villagers near Parachinar after attempting to see the woman. Her family consulted tribal elders in the town who ordered that he be stoned. The sentence was carried out on Tuesday.
"The girl left her home on Monday and met Anwar Din when villagers saw them," tribal elder Munir Hussain told the Reuters news agency.
"We took the girl into custody and took the boy to the local graveyard where he was stoned to death and buried."
Mr Hussain said that elders had requested that another Pakistani soldier be handed over by the army for helping the couple meet and co-ordinate their planned elopement.
"The army is here for our security but if they engage in such activities we will not let them stay here," he said. "This is an insult to tribal customs. We will revolt against this."
The villagers were also angry because the soldier - who reportedly began the relationship when his army unit was based in Kurram - persisted with the alleged love affair even after his unit had been redeployed and despite numerous warnings from villagers not to do so.
At the time of his death, officials say the soldier - from Punjab province - was in the Kurram area in a private capacity. He had reportedly kept in touch with the woman by telephone.
Punjabis are especially disliked by many in Kurram, our correspondent says, because they are seen as being at the forefront of sectarian hatred towards Shias.
Kurram is in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, which have never been fully integrated into the country's administrative, economic or judicial system.
Instead, tribal elders often take the law into their own hands, dispensing punishments for crimes including rape and murder and in cases where a family's honour is seen to have been impugned because of an illicit relationship.
Pakistan soldier 'stoned to death for affair' in Kurram - BBC NewsLast edited by Samandri; 06-10-2016, 12:13 PM.
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Advice for girls running away from such families. Don't get caught red handed, most likely to be killed on spot along with your lover. Don't come back soon after marrying. Wait some years before even thinking of contacting your family.
Not every time it's love affair. There are many cases of girls running away with supposed boyfriend only to be sold of later on.
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Thanks for the article. I didn't see it for years. But these people are ignorant and so are Punjabis. Who gives a **** about cultural practices, when we are Muslim? The girl wanted to be with the Army guy, and the Punjabi girl wanted to be with the Pashtun guy.Originally posted by Samandri View PostThats not how things occurred exactly , the soldier did not request his army , army was not involved at all let alone them "handing over" the two to villagers.....
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"A soldier accused of having an affair with a local woman has been stoned to death on the orders of tribal elders in north-west Pakistan, officials say.
Elders in Kurram tribal agency said scores of people threw stones at the soldier in a cemetery near the town of Parachinar until he bled to death.
Locals in the mostly Shia area opposed the alleged relationship because he was a Sunni Muslim and the woman a Shia.
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says it is not uncommon for those deemed to be involved in illicit relationships to be shot in Pakistan, but few if any public stonings have been carried out.
Shias in Pakistan are angry over the high number of sectarian attacks against them across the country in recent months.
Last year more than 400 Shias were killed in Pakistan by Sunni hardliners. So far this year, more than 200 Shias have been killed.
There was no immediate response from the military.
Officials say that the soldier, Anwar Din, was detained by villagers near Parachinar after attempting to see the woman. Her family consulted tribal elders in the town who ordered that he be stoned. The sentence was carried out on Tuesday.
"The girl left her home on Monday and met Anwar Din when villagers saw them," tribal elder Munir Hussain told the Reuters news agency.
"We took the girl into custody and took the boy to the local graveyard where he was stoned to death and buried."
Mr Hussain said that elders had requested that another Pakistani soldier be handed over by the army for helping the couple meet and co-ordinate their planned elopement.
"The army is here for our security but if they engage in such activities we will not let them stay here," he said. "This is an insult to tribal customs. We will revolt against this."
The villagers were also angry because the soldier - who reportedly began the relationship when his army unit was based in Kurram - persisted with the alleged love affair even after his unit had been redeployed and despite numerous warnings from villagers not to do so.
At the time of his death, officials say the soldier - from Punjab province - was in the Kurram area in a private capacity. He had reportedly kept in touch with the woman by telephone.
Punjabis are especially disliked by many in Kurram, our correspondent says, because they are seen as being at the forefront of sectarian hatred towards Shias.
Kurram is in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, which have never been fully integrated into the country's administrative, economic or judicial system.
Instead, tribal elders often take the law into their own hands, dispensing punishments for crimes including rape and murder and in cases where a family's honour is seen to have been impugned because of an illicit relationship.
Pakistan soldier 'stoned to death for affair' in Kurram - BBC News
Marriage without a Wali is not permissible, but these families should understand that they cannot force their children into marriage. They can surely influence their children, but cannot decide for them.
We as a society are so ****ed up, that we don't even adhere to our religious principles anymore.
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Turi girls in Parachinar dont do pardah, i think that soldier mistook their lack of burqa for liberty. Turi are as harsh and traditional as any other tribe there. They would have done the same to a Pashtun soldier. The thing is, the 27 year old soldier should have sent the rishta to the household of the girl, but it was obvious he was up to no good , was "secretly" meeting her and was only ruining the life of much younger stupid girl. This case of Lahore is of different nature, the couple actually got married.......honour killings occur through out pakistan, but this one is weird, a mother is doing honour killing with fire......an unusually very violent mother.Originally posted by ANAcommander View PostThanks for the article. I didn't see it for years. But these people are ignorant and so are Punjabis. Who gives a **** about cultural practices, when we are Muslim? The girl wanted to be with the Army guy, and the Punjabi girl wanted to be with the Pashtun guy.
Marriage without a Wali is not permissible, but these families should understand that they cannot force their children into marriage. They can surely influence their children, but cannot decide for them.
We as a society are so ****ed up, that we don't even adhere to our religious principles anymore.
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