What would 'Great Afghanistan' actually look like?

[Firdousi]

Damn here we have to read same BS posts about how hazaras and tajiks living in same small area are culturarly and ethnically different yet 1.5 billion Pakistanis and Indians are similar.

Indeed Pakistanis and Indians are the same people. Pakistanis first betrayed their faith Hinduism and few decades ago they betrayed their motherland India. They hate themselves so they will deny this. You will never see an Afghan rejecting his Zoroastrian, Buddhist and Hindu past. We are proud of it and we embrace it.

Whats the difference between and Indian Muslim and a Pakistani?

[Golden]

Please, remind me the last partition where war and bloodbath were not involved in? How did it work for you Indians? I mean Indian Muslims and Indian Hindus killed each other in almost everywhere.

Anyway no one wants partition in Afghanistna. Its just an online phenomenon just like loy Afghanistan. No political party, no institutions, no province,.. is asking for partition. Most of Afghans love their country and only in case of disaster, worst scenario like a Tlaiban take over they would accept partition. I guess this happens in Pakistan too.

I didn't say people are asking for partition. Bloodbath in punjab happened because hindus and sikhs started to kill east punjabi muslims first, in west punjab it was just revenge killngs.

reason afghani pathans dream of loy Afghanistan is because of their current economic state. They depend to much on Pakistan for basic needs, may as well dream of loy afghanistan where they will not have to live like majars.

That's why their maps include all of Balochistan, Gilget and Hazara region of Pakistan. This will never happen even in best case scenario for afghani nationalists. Once afghani pathans are given equal rights by Tajik/ANA nexus then they will forget about partition.

[Firdousi]

I didn't say people are asking for partition. Bloodbath in punjab happened because hindus and sikhs started to kill east punjabi muslims first, in west punjab it was just revenge killngs.

reason afghani pathans dream of loy Afghanistan is because of their current economic state. They depend to much on Pakistan for basic needs, may as well dream of loy afghanistan where they will not have to live like majars.

That's why their maps include all of Balochistan, Gilget and Hazara region of Pakistan. This will never happen even in best case scenario for afghani nationalists. Once afghani pathans are given equal rights by Tajik/ANA nexus then they will forget about partition.

According the Afghan constitution all Afghans are equals. We just need to leave behind the ethnic paranoia and create a meritocratic system.

In Afghansitan, unlike in Pakistan, there is no separatist movement. Afghanistan need to help those Pashtuns and Baluchs willing to separate from Pakistan. Its our duty as human beings and Muslims to help those who are being oppressed.

BTW you did not answer: whats the difference between a Indian Muslim and a Pakistani? Its pretty obvious you don't have an answer lol

[Golden]

According the Afghan constitution all Afghans are equals. We just need to leave behind the ethnic paranoia and create a meritocratic system.

In Afghansitan, unlike in Pakistan, there is no separatist movement. Afghanistan need to help those Pashtuns and Baluchs willing to separate from Pakistan. Its our duty as human beings and Muslims to help those who are being oppressed.

BTW you did not answer: whats the difference between a Indian Muslim and a Pakistani? Its pretty obvious you don't have an answer lol

Afghanistan have constitution? Indian is nationality and with in it many different ethnic groups speaking different languages.

It's not like in Afghanistan where we have to read again and again how tajiks and hazaras are somehow ethnically different despite being culturarly, genetically and linguistically similar.

[DSM0305]

I probably know more about this than you do then. Afghan nationalists have existed since the Durand line was certified. Yeah, I'm bringing this up on a Pashtun forum, where it'd be most likely to find Afghan nationalists.

Of course you do, this explains why you use paint as a reliability.

Find a better map. Don't just sit there and cry about it.

Why should I go around and find maps created in paint, just for participating in a children's game with a Jean wearing teen from the west.

A kid from the west have posted a map created in paint and used it as a reliable source material. I see... there is a lot to cry about.

Hm. They're certainly not a majority in the North. There might be scattered communities but definitely not a majority anywhere up north.

Shattered community... Have you ever been to Afghanistan. They all live in a big chunk of land in literary every single province. They're not some shattered community living amidst other ethnicities. Many districts is Pashtun majority up at north.

Lol are you serious?

Have you ever seen an Afghan in your life? Your very comment indicates that you haven't.

That's such bullcrap. I could easily say the same thing about Peshawar and Lahore. Don't confuse **** here. We're talking about a Persian-north vs a Pashtun-south.

There is nothing Persian about the north. That the whole problem with uneducated people like you; you can say things very easily, but they're far fetched from the reality.
The day you walk in the streets of Badakhshan, Balkh, Herat, Kandahar, Nangahar is the day you will realize how stupid your statements are.

Kabul is like Karachi, or Tehran. It's a very mixed city. Seems that the only person who's being an idiot is you, you're claiming that there's no discrepancy in cultures in Afghanistan? Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks and Tajiks each have their own unique culture, separate from Pashtuns and Pashtunwali and you can't deny that. The fact is that their areas were conquered by Ahmad Shah and that's why they are there. Try opening your eyes to facts before you get on here and say 'stupid this' and 'i fail to understand...' that.

Kabul, Badakhsan, Herat, Balkh, Kandahar, Nangahar it doesn't matter. From cultural perspective they're all the same. Same cloths, same behavior, same interest. The only thing that makes them different is their language.
Tajik, Turkmen, Uzbeks do indeed have different culture, just not in Afghanistan. The people in Afghanistan are well integrated or I will even go as far and say assimilated in terms of culture. From the cloth they're wearing, to the traditions they're celebrating and last but not least, their behavior. The only thing that separate the people of Afghanistan is their language. So if you consider language as a source of ''different culture'', then I can agree with you. Otherwise you're nothing but a kid from the west who haven't stepped a foot inside Afghanistan.

I hope one day an Afghan program will appear in TV, showing all the different provinces and their people, maybe then kids like you in the west will understand the ground reality.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistan and India are one country. Tell me, whats the difference between an Indian Muslim and a Pakistani? For God sake stop with the hatred and your made up history and join your motherland India once again.

Pakistan is the successor state of Indus valley civilization infact if go browse the history of this region than even the monotheist Follower of IVC and further would not allow Polytheist in this region.Infact even Ashoka was not allowed into Pakistan until and unless he accepted Buddhism.

The only similarity Pakistan People genetically and Cultural have is with the Punjabis and Kashmiri in india and both of them make less than 5% of India's Population.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

What was Pakistan before 1947?

Well historian had been in clash over the origin of Pakistan for centuries.Some link it to be the oldest civilization,Some consider it to be an ideology.

Pakistan was indeed part of British india,earlier under Mughal but if we stretch it before the Islamic Invasion,Than Pakistan existed as a single entity since soanian culture.

History of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

One more thing i would add to the discussion is that anything that fall under ancient IVC map by default belong to Pakistan.

Porus fought Alexander with alexander suffering heavy damage leading him to stop any further invasion.

[Firdousi]

Pakistan is the successor state of Indus valley civilization infact if go browse the history of this region than even the monotheist Follower of IVC and further would not allow Polytheist in this region.Infact even Ashoka was not allowed into Pakistan until and unless he accepted Buddhism.

The only similarity Pakistan People genetically and Cultural have is with the Punjabis and Kashmiri in india and both of them make less than 5% of India's Population.

I really love your fairy tails, man lol

Well the harsh truth is Pakistan is a brit made country created in 1947. Before that you were Indians and your ancestors were Hindus. There is nothing wrong with this. You shouldn't be ashamed of your roots, brother.

[Aryana]

That's such bullcrap. I could easily say the same thing about Peshawar and Lahore. Don't confuse **** here. We're talking about a Persian-north vs a Pashtun-south.




Kabul is like Karachi, or Tehran. It's a very mixed city. Seems that the only person who's being an idiot is you, you're claiming that there's no discrepancy in cultures in Afghanistan? Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks and Tajiks each have their own unique culture, separate from Pashtuns and Pashtunwali and you can't deny that. The fact is that their areas were conquered by Ahmad Shah and that's why they are there.

"Persian" north? The only people who consider the people up north to be followers of Persian cultures are those Tajik nationalists like Ferdousi. Time and time again, you were forced to ditch their Eastern Iranic language to adopt Persian. The fact is that Tajiks are not native to any region in Afghanistan, they're only native to their original place which is north of the Oxus. Pashtuns have always been the rulers of Afghanistan. The only other groups of people who have for a short while conquer Afghanistan, but not maintain control, were Persians and Turks. You never hear of Tajik empires do you?

NOTE: It is pretty easy to tell that Tajiks are heavily influenced by Pashtun culture. Take a look at the difference between a Tajik from Tajikistan and a Tajik from Afghanistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I really love your fairy tails, man lol

Well the harsh truth is Pakistan is a brit made country created in 1947. Before that you were Indians and your ancestors were Hindus. There is nothing wrong with this. You shouldn't be ashamed of your roots, brother.

The harsh truth is your master follow the religion the ancestors of Pakistanis has forced on them(rig veda),they consider Sanskrit as the holy language which is the ancient language of Pakistanis,They have named their country India after the indus river which 93% course is through Pakistan.

So yes we are bhagwaan of you People,but i would not recommand you worship us

[Firdousi]

"Persian" north? The only people who consider the people up north to be followers of Persian cultures are those retarded, autistic Tajik nationalists like Ferdousi. Time and time again, your mothers were raped by Mongols and were forced to ditch their Eastern Iranic language to adopt Persian. The fact is that Tajiks are not native to any region in Afghanistan, they're only native to their original place which is north of the Oxus. Pashtuns have always been the rulers of Afghanistan. The only other groups of people who have for a short while conquer Afghanistan, but not maintain control, were Persians and Turks. You never hear of Tajik empires do you?

NOTE: It is pretty easy to tell that Tajiks are heavily influenced by Pashtun culture. Take a look at the difference between a Tajik from Tajikistan and a Tajik from Afghanistan.

Come on, [MENTION=18139]Shapur[/MENTION]. I think its time to ban this guy. Nothing but insults and racist remarks. 100% unable to keep it civil. This kind of caveman behavior should not go unpunished.

[Firdousi]

The harsh truth is your master follow the religion the ancestors of Pakistanis has forced on them(rig veda),they consider Sanskrit as the holy language which is the ancient language of Pakistanis,They have named their country India after the indus river which 93% course is through Pakistan.

So yes we are bhagwaan of you People,but i would not recommand you worship us

Well honestly I don't care so much about the rivalry between the Hindu state of India and the Hindu state of Pakistan. To me you are all the same. Only truth here is we imposed on you guys your current faith and everything in Pakistan is a fake copy of Persian culture. Period. lol

[Porus]

Of course you do, this explains why you use paint as a reliability.

Why should I go around and find maps created in paint, just for participating in a children's game with a Jean wearing teen from the west.

Oh yes clearly you're too good for this game. I asked you one simple thing: you find the painted map unreliable? Find another map that YOU think is reliable or go home.

A kid from the west have posted a map created in paint and used it as a reliable source material. I see... there is a lot to cry about.

Okayyy. Touched a nerve with you haven't I

Shattered community...

Scattered* actually. Though yes Pashtuns are pretty shattered atm lol

Have you ever been to Afghanistan. They all live in a big chunk of land in literary every single province. They're not some shattered community living amidst other ethnicities. Many districts is Pashtun majority up at north.

Such as? And even if they are I doubt they speak that much Pashto. Most Pashtuns from Kabul prefer Dari over Pashto.

Have you ever seen an Afghan in your life? Your very comment indicates that you haven't.

I have.

There is nothing Persian about the north. That the whole problem with uneducated people like you; you can say things very easily, but they're far fetched from the reality.
The day you walk in the streets of Badakhshan, Balkh, Herat, Kandahar, Nangahar is the day you will realize how stupid your statements are.

Right. Except for the music, the style of food. I'm not saying you guys don't have SIMILAR food. Punjab and Sindh have similar foodies too. Doesn't mean we delude ourselves to thinking that there's nothing Persian about Northern Afghanistan. For the past hundreds of years, you've had scientists, scholars, mathematicians, musicians, poets. Heck. Rumi was born in Balkh! Nope. Nothing Persian about Balkh there. Avicenna? Nah he was not Persian either.

Kabul, Badakhsan, Herat, Balkh, Kandahar, Nangahar it doesn't matter. From cultural perspective they're all the same. Same cloths, same behavior, same interest. The only thing that makes them different is their language.
Tajik, Turkmen, Uzbeks do indeed have different culture, just not in Afghanistan. The people in Afghanistan are well integrated or I will even go as far and say assimilated in terms of culture. From the cloth they're wearing, to the traditions they're celebrating and last but not least, their behavior. The only thing that separate the people of Afghanistan is their language. So if you consider language as a source of ''different culture'', then I can agree with you. Otherwise you're nothing but a kid from the west who haven't stepped a foot inside Afghanistan.

Cool, I'm glad you make this argument because this is exactly what Pakistanis think too. Culture is more or less the same across the board in Pakistan. Same honour culture, same division by clans, same brown skin, same clothes, more or less the same food. Great!

I hope one day an Afghan program will appear in TV, showing all the different provinces and their people, maybe then kids like you in the west will understand the ground reality.

I'm actually from a country more East than you.

"Persian" north? The only people who consider the people up north to be followers of Persian cultures are those retarded, autistic Tajik nationalists like Ferdousi. Time and time again, your mothers were raped by Mongols and were forced to ditch their Eastern Iranic language to adopt Persian. The fact is that Tajiks are not native to any region in Afghanistan, they're only native to their original place which is north of the Oxus. Pashtuns have always been the rulers of Afghanistan. The only other groups of people who have for a short while conquer Afghanistan, but not maintain control, were Persians and Turks. You never hear of Tajik empires do you?

If we just cut out the vast majority of racist bile that you've spouted out. 'You never hear of Tajik empires'. Well, the Samanids were the first Tajik state. Plus Persian has been the literary and court language in the area up till Mirwais and Ahmad's rise. Even Ahmad Shah spoke Farsi, he was brought up by Nader Afshar. So, that's total bull****. Pashtuns have been under either Persian or Mughal suzerainty. Before that you were part of the Indian Mauryan and Kabul Shahi dynasties. Learn your own history mate.

It is pretty easy to tell that Tajiks are heavily influenced by Pashtun culture. Take a look at the difference between a Tajik from Tajikistan and a Tajik from Afghanistan.

Yeah being ruled by you guys for 300 years. One would think they'd start behaving like you at some point lol

[Golden]

I really love your fairy tails, man lol

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IVC isn't fairy tales, we are not talking about Afghani historians here