Pull out your swords and slay anyone that says Pashtun and Afghan are not one!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I noticed the forum has a new slogan. Since this is the statement everyone is going to read when entering this forum, I think it is appropriate to discuss what it means and what the significance is of this statement.

Any opinions?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If I were an outsider, I'd think Afghans are pompous and egotistical and very insecure, based on something like that.

[Azmal]

If I were an outsider, I'd think Afghans are pompous and egotistical and very insecure, based on something like that.

Hahahaha lol as if we are not? What was your old username?

[Samandri]

It seems Khushal Khan sensed that this confusion would arise in the future. (or his enemies Mughals were creating this confusion at that time?).

I recently came across a letter of H.G.raverty (author of first Pashto-english dictionary) in a journal of 1897, protesting that British government is deliberately promoting the incorrect idea that Pashtun and Afghan are two different people, in order to have excuse for snatching present day FATA areas from Afghanistan.

British governor of NWFP Olaf Careo has absurd definitions for Afghan and Pathan in his book "the Pathans", he was on the agenda so were many other British officers. Pakistan, the successor of British raj, kept on promoting the idea that Afghan and Pashtun are not same.........thats what Khushal Khan Khattak feared three centuries ago.

[Shapur]

It seems Khushal Khan sensed that this confusion would arise in the future. (or his enemies Mughals were creating this confusion at that time?).

I recently came across a letter of H.G.raverty (author of first Pashto-english dictionary) in a journal of 1897, protesting that British government is deliberately promoting the incorrect idea that Pashtun and Afghan are two different people, in order to have excuse for snatching present day FATA areas from Afghanistan.

British governor of NWFP Olaf Careo has absurd definitions for Afghan and Pathan in his book "the Pathans", he was on the agenda so were many other British officers. Pakistan, the successor of British raj, kept on promoting the idea that Afghan and Pashtun are not same.........thats what Khushal Khan Khattak feared three centuries ago.

I also read something along those line by some British orientalist writter saying only Durrani and Ghilzais are Afghans proper while the rest were Pathans. He also made distinctions between the Pashtuns of the plains saying they can be civilized but the mountain tribes of FATA are wild and barbaric can't be subdued. One can see in the writtings of these British Orientalists how much they despised Pashtuns because they couldn't subdue the Pashtuns so they came up with all sorts of propaganda against Pashtuns, installing puppet regimes and dividing them into two states.

I also think Khushal baba wrote that verse to clear any miconceptions created by enemies. He was way ahead of his time.

[khushal]

Khushal Khattak main message was for unity of Afghans/pashtuns. This phrase of his was counter to what Moghuls were doing to prevent unity. The Brits continued that same policy.

[Damir9000]

Brown Skin Savage hes the half yemeni

oh damn lol

[Damir9000]

Khushal Khattak main message was for unity of Afghans/pashtuns. This phrase of his was counter to what Moghuls were doing to prevent unity. The Brits continued that same policy.

Did it include other ethnic groups?

Currently, this slogan is a rather divisive.

[Azmal]

Brown Skin Savage hes the half yemeni

Oh ok, he is Mohmmud.

[Firdousi]

Pashtuns are not Afghans. Pashtuns are "Awghans". Once again, my tribal friends: Pashto lacks of the letter "f" (you just adopted it thanks to Persian influence). Afghanistan and Afghan both are Persian terms, not Pashtun. Have you ever talked to Pashtun from eastern provinces? Its hilarious the way they speak Farsi. They are unable to pronounce "f" so they make mistakes all the time. Hilarious lol

[Golden]

Defeated people slogan, it's astonoushing how once dominant majority ethnic group in Afghanistan have been reduced to insecure slogans. Imagine if they were in position of power in Afghanistan, no way any Afghan pashtun will repeat this slogan to compromise integrity of country which is made up by many ethnic groups.

[Aryana]

Pashtuns are not Afghans. Pashtuns are "Awghans". Once again, my tribal friends: Pashto lacks of the letter "f" (you just adopted it thanks to Persian influence). Afghanistan and Afghan both are Persian terms, not Pashtun. Have you ever talked to Pashtun from eastern provinces? Its hilarious the way they speak Farsi. They are unable to pronounce "f" so they make mistakes all the time. Hilarious lol

There is a letter "f", it is just clearly you're uneducated in either Pashto or in Afghanistan. Only some people can't pronounce "f", but all Farsiwan can't even pronounce "w" (you only got it from outside influence) and you speak in what can be called the most feminine accent on Earth. Only let women speak Farsi, the men sound so feminine when they speak. "Afghanistan" is Persian? Never once in Farsi grammar do you word it like that. The word Afghanistan comes from Sanskrit.

[khushal]

There is a letter "f", it is just clearly you're uneducated in either Pashto or in Afghanistan. Only some people can't pronounce "f", but all Farsiwan can't even pronounce "w" (you only got it from outside influence) and you speak in what can be called the most feminine accent on Earth. Only let women speak Farsi, the men sound so feminine when they speak. "Afghanistan" is Persian? Never once in Farsi grammar do you word it like that. The word AfghanistHe may be right an comes from Sanskrit.

He may be right about about the "F" sound. I know in our area of Paktia, we do not have the "F" sound. We call ourselves Apghan and we say Parsiwan. But this came from not Persians but Arabs. The correct term for "Farsi' is "Parsi." Arabic have no "p" sound so their influence changed it to "Farsi." The same with Palistine into Falistine.

[Samandri]

I also read something along those line by some British orientalist writter saying only Durrani and Ghilzais are Afghans proper while the rest were Pathans. He also made distinctions between the Pashtuns of the plains saying they can be civilized but the mountain tribes of FATA are wild and barbaric can't be subdued. One can see in the writtings of these British Orientalists how much they despised Pashtuns because they couldn't subdue the Pashtuns so they came up with all sorts of propaganda against Pashtuns, installing puppet regimes and dividing them into two states.

I also think Khushal baba wrote that verse to clear any miconceptions created by enemies. He was way ahead of his time.

That British author was Sir Olaf Careo, governor of NWFP......accused by All India Congress to be friend of Muslim league.

There is additional issue in Pakistan. "Pathan", a term coined by Hindus, is pitched against proper word Pashtun/Pakhtun. Punjabis, Kashmiris and Sindhis are using this term due to their Hindu past, but you might come across a Pakistani Pashtun who would say "za pathan yama", "I am proud to be a Pathan" etc.

[Aryana]

He may be right about about the "F" sound. I know in our area of Paktia, we do not have the "F" sound. We call ourselves Apghan and we say Parsiwan. But this came from not Persians but Arabs. The correct term for "Farsi' is "Parsi." Arabic have no "p" sound so their influence changed it to "Farsi." The same with Palistine into Falistine.

Of course there are some people who can't pronounce "f". I'm from Paktia as well, but only rarely have I heard a Pashtun pronounce "f" as "p" because as far as I know ف is a part of the Pashto alphabet. Even Iranians have a و but half the time they pronounce it as a "v".