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    Why Pakistan Won't Go After Afghan Taliban


    News / Asia

    Why Pakistan Won't Go After Afghan Taliban






    Ayesha Tanzeem
    Last updated on: May 12, 2016 11:01 AM

    ISLAMABAD— Pakistan is hesitant to take action against the Afghan Taliban on its soil because of concerns the group will redirect its violence against Pakistan and Afghan intelligence will support it, a senior Pakistani official said.

    “We have to think twice before taking action. Anybody we take action against is immediately supported from the other side,” the official told VOA on the condition of anonymity.

    Afghan President Ashraf Ghani recently demanded that Pakistan either take military action against Taliban commanders on its soil or arrest them and hand them over to Kabul.
    Pakistan has often complained that when it launched military operations in Swat and South Waziristan in 2009, militants belonging to Pakistani Taliban took shelter in Afghanistan and started using it as a base, with the help of Afghan intelligence, to carry out operations against Pakistan.


    As recently as the start of the current operation in North Waziristan in 2014, the Pakistani official said, the Afghan government issued refugee cards to militants who escaped to the other side.
    Senior journalist and regional expert Rahimullah Yousufzai said the leadership of several Pakistani Taliban groups, including Mullah Fazlullah, the head of Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan, was hiding in Afghanistan.
    He added that one of the militant leaders, Omar Khalid Khorasani, whose group Jamaat-ul-Ahrar claimed responsibility for an Easter bombing in Lahore in March that killed more than 70 people, was supposed to be getting support from the Afghan intelligence agencies.
    Afghanistan’s ambassador to Pakistan, Hazrat Omar Zakhilwal, however, rejected the assessment of the Pakistani official.


    “It’s easy to avoid responsibility and blame someone else for it,” he said, adding that militants like Fazlullah and Khorasani were part of the Pakistani Taliban, who were an “outcome of policies that are still the status quo.”
    Enabling the Taliban
    Pakistan, he said, had created an environment that enabled the presence of both the Afghan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban.
    In addition, he said, Pakistan scuttled opportunities presented by Afghanistan for mutual cooperation in order to change this situation.
    “Didn’t the Afghan intelligence help with the capture of the Army Public School in Peshawar attackers?” he asked, mentioning a devastating attack in December of 2014 in which more than 130 school children were killed.
    In return, he said, Pakistan did not take any steps against the Haqqani Network, an Afghan Taliban group that officials at NATO’s Resolute Support mission in Afghanistan have described as one of the “most lethal” groups in Afghanistan.


    Afghanistan and the United States allege the network has ties to Pakistan’s intelligence agencies and its leadership operates out of Pakistan.
    Afghan officials recently said the group has effectively taken battlefield control of the Afghan Taliban. They also blame the group for a deadly attack in Kabul in April that killed nearly 70 people.
    Zakhilwal said the network remains a “core irritant” between the two countries and the lack of action against them contributes to the trust deficit.
    Relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan have deteriorated over the last year, after a burst of warmth in early 2015. Officials on both sides acknowledge that they do not trust each other.
    Improving relations
    Zakhilwal said President Ashraf Ghani, after his election, took the first step toward improving relations with Pakistan but did not get anything in return. He expected Pakistan to help bring the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table.
    The first official contact between the Taliban and the Afghan government occurred in Murree, near Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, in July of 2015. By that time, Zakhilwal said, the trust “had already been broken.”


    A second round, scheduled for the end of July, was cancelled when news broke that the Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar, who was supposed to have blessed the talks, had been dead for a few year.
    Efforts to rejuvenate the talks resulted in a four nation Quadrilateral Coordination Group, with representatives from the United States and China joining Afghanistan and Pakistan. The group adopted a roadmap with steps leading to a reconciliation process for peace in Afghanistan. That effort, Zakhilwal said, will also fail if Pakistan continues with its inaction.
    “The QCG will die down if the road map is not followed,” he said.
    The road map, he added, included pressure tactics to be used if Taliban refused to negotiate with the Afghan government -- measures like “closing down their facilities, arresting them if they are wandering around freely, disrupting them.”
    Pakistan, he indicated, was not doing any of that.
    Pakistan foreign policy adviser Sartaj Aziz on the other hand, has said that according to the road map, if peace talks do not materialize, action against the Taliban would require consensus among all QCG members.


    He has also said that Kabul is frustrated because of the delay in the start of the process but acknowledges such things take time.
    Pakistan insists it is continuing its efforts to facilitate talks. A delegation of the Afghan Taliban visited Islamabad from Qatar late last month as part of those efforts.
    That visit seemed to have left the Afghans more unhappy. Zakhilwal complained that Afghans found out about the delegation from their own intelligence sources.
    “Why weren’t we informed?” he asked, adding that Pakistan has still not told Afghanistan why the delegation was in Islamabad.
    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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    I believe we are overestimating Pakistan influence over Taliban. Pakistan can not control this group except few offshoots such as Haqqani. They promised to bring Taliban but failed to do so. What does this mean?

    1) Pakistan is an unreliable neighbor backstaber.
    or
    2) Pakistan is unable to pressure Taliban and force them to join negotiation.

    In any case Pakistan is isolated and unable to control his own proxy forces. India, Afghanistan and Iran despise Pakistan. You have only one "friend": China. You gotta put all your eggs into the Chinese basket. Isolationism represents the future of Pakistan. You guys are between the rock and the hard place and only yourselves are to be blamed here. You brought it upon yourselves. Good luck guys.
    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

    -Ferdowsi.

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    • #3
      The real question is "why go after them?" There is no in interest at all for Pakistan to go after them. Why spend resources on eliminating an entity that wants to depose an Indian Friendly regime.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        I believe we are overestimating Pakistan influence over Taliban. Pakistan can not control this group except few offshoots such as Haqqani. They promised to bring Taliban but failed to do so. What does this mean?

        1) Pakistan is an unreliable neighbor backstaber.
        or
        2) Pakistan is unable to pressure Taliban and force them to join negotiation.

        In any case Pakistan is isolated and unable to control his own proxy forces. India, Afghanistan and Iran despise Pakistan. You have only one "friend": China. You gotta put all your eggs into the Chinese basket. Isolationism represents the future of Pakistan. You guys are between the rock and the hard place and only yourselves are to be blamed here. You brought it upon yourselves. Good luck guys.
        Afghanistan belong to Pakistan.Period

        Neither India nor Iran despise Pakistan instead they would welcome any Positive Approach from Pakistan especially Iran.

        And Please stop acting as if we i can't pick a indian like you though i agree that you hindus and tajik are indeed a same breed
        "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
          Afghanistan belong to Pakistan.Period

          Neither India nor Iran despise Pakistan instead they would welcome any Positive Approach from Pakistan especially Iran.

          And Please stop acting as if we i can't pick a indian like you though i agree that you hindus and tajik are indeed a same breed
          Afghanistan belongs to Porkistan? You donkey rapists probably masturbate to that idea. The fact and truth is the opposite, Porkistan (the western areas) belongs to Afghanistan.
          "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aryana View Post
            Afghanistan belongs to Porkistan? You donkey rapists probably masturbate to that idea. The fact and truth is the opposite, Porkistan (the western areas) belongs to Afghanistan.
            From morocco to indonesia everything belong to Pakistan.Because we are given the task to Protect and Unite the Muslim world because we are the only surviving martial race in the Muslim world.
            "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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            • #7
              [MENTION=19433]Aryana[/MENTION]

              Zargiya nor waya,sa chal da?hagha kheta de che kharapa wa hagha kha shuwa?
              "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                From morocco to indonesia everything belong to Pakistan.Because we are given the task to Protect and Unite the Muslim world because we are the only surviving martial race in the Muslim world.
                So far the only military test Pakistan has ever faced is war with India which Pakistan has badly lost and is humiliated.
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                  So far the only military test Pakistan has ever faced is war with India which Pakistan has badly lost and is humiliated.
                  Pakistan has lost every single war he fought. Thats why they have gone full proxy mode: they are too cowards and weak to defeat anyone. Alhamdulillah their terrorist policy has backfired.
                  "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                  I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                  -Ferdowsi.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    So far the only military test Pakistan has ever faced is war with India which Pakistan has badly lost and is humiliated.
                    There are reason we lost in 71 and i don't want to discuss it with you.

                    Anyway the Pakistan standard today is way too different than when it was formed or upto the late 80's.

                    I have predicted war with india in the early 20's which to be fought by the Pakistani Civilian against the Indian army.

                    Also please refer to my earlier report as to how Pakistan can raise 10Million strong army with the Grace of Almighty Allah in a matter of week.
                    "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      There are reason we lost in 71 and i don't want to discuss it with you.

                      Anyway the Pakistan standard today is way too different than when it was formed or upto the late 80's.

                      I have predicted war with india in the early 20's which to be fought by the Pakistani Civilian against the Indian army.

                      Also please refer to my earlier report as to how Pakistan can raise 10Million strong army with the Grace of Almighty Allah in a matter of week.
                      Indeed there is: you lost because you are losers. Period.

                      Actually seems you are forgetting that you have lost 4 wars against India. What a pathetic nation you are lol
                      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                      -Ferdowsi.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                        From morocco to indonesia everything belong to Pakistan.Because we are given the task to Protect and Unite the Muslim world because we are the only surviving martial race in the Muslim world.
                        Try to spread unity in your own country first then try to unite all Muslims. The fact is that Porkistan is a nation built upon an accident of British colonialism. You couldn't even keep hold of Bangladesh.
                        "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                          There are reason we lost in 71 and i don't want to discuss it with you.

                          Anyway the Pakistan standard today is way too different than when it was formed or upto the late 80's.

                          I have predicted war with india in the early 20's which to be fought by the Pakistani Civilian against the Indian army.

                          Also please refer to my earlier report as to how Pakistan can raise 10Million strong army with the Grace of Almighty Allah in a matter of week.
                          If Pakistan really was a potent fighting force then Kashmir wouldn't be a colony of India. Since the inception of this cursed country, there is one constant: loss. Pakistan lost territory to India and Bangladesh, Pakistan lost control of its own subjects (civil war with the Baloch, Sindhis and Pashtuns in tribal area) and loss of national identity: Pakistan is at constant war with itself due to sectarian conflicts and conflict between Islamists and secularists.

                          If there is anything sensible to say about the future of Pakistan then that would be more chaos and more instability. Pakistan is like a nasty painful boil that is about the burst any minute where all sorts of nasty stuff mixed will blood will pour out of it.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
                          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            If Pakistan really was a potent fighting force then Kashmir wouldn't be a colony of India. Since the inception of this cursed country, there is one constant: loss. Pakistan lost territory to India and Bangladesh, Pakistan lost control of its own subjects (civil war with the Baloch, Sindhis and Pashtuns in tribal area) and loss of national identity: Pakistan is at constant war with itself due to sectarian conflicts and conflict between Islamists and secularists.

                            If there is anything sensible to say about the future of Pakistan then that would be more chaos and more instability. Pakistan is like a nasty painful boil that is about the burst any minute where all sorts of nasty stuff mixed will blood will pour out of it.
                            The situation is Whole Kufar and Kufr allied world vs Pakistan.So yes we have instability because we are fighting against a thread that is hundred times more powerful but we won't collapse because we are Protected by ALLAH.
                            "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                              Try to spread unity in your own country first then try to unite all Muslims. The fact is that Porkistan is a nation built upon an accident of British colonialism. You couldn't even keep hold of Bangladesh.
                              Unite Pakistan?Sorry dear but i don't believe in boundry.For me the whole Muslim world is Pakistan and all muslims by default are Pakistanis.

                              Bangladesh or whatever,Whether Pakistan exist in future or not.This is not a concern because Pakistan is not just a country but ideology.

                              Some Imp Point to remember

                              *All muslims by default are Pakistanis.
                              *Some non muslim can be considered as Pakistanis like Obama.
                              "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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