What are your thoughts on Pan-Iranism?

[Forreigner]

Aryans/Iranic peoples inhabited the area from East Iraq to Northwest India:





It is said Dari was the lingua franca as far as in Northwest India, but after British invasion of India, Dari was replaced by Indic languages. Even Punjab province (Pakistan/India, translated meaning ''place of Five Waters/rivers'') is a Dari word like Panjshir in Afghanistan.

Would be awesome if all these nations united in some way someday in the future. Perhaps if not as one state, maybe as a union like the European Union. Dari as the lingua franca, but other languages teached in schools and spoken as well. If you look at the map this area is huge comparable to China, EU and USA, and population as high as 100-200 millions, could in theory prosper and become some sort of global power.

Or if that's impossible, maybe it could begin with Balochistan and Pasthun lands in Pakistan merging and becoming part of Afghanistan. These lands used to be part of Afg. before Anglo-Afgh. wars. I have heard, Punjabis don't treat Balochis and Pashtuns very well/like 2nd class citizens, and the western half of Pakistan is purposely being kept underdeveloped by the Pakistani government compared to the Eastern half (Punjab/Sindh), so perhaps in theory, it shouldn't be impossible to convince them to unite with Afghanistan.

Of course this is just a dream/theory since Afghanistan don't have neither the political/military power, nor stability and Afghanistan as a country isn't developed or wealthy enough to convince Pasthuns and Balochis in Pakistan to break away from Paki and merge with Afgh.

[Firdousi]

Brits carried out a cultural genocide in India and the Middle East agains Persian culture and language. This is something we Persianspeakers will never forgive nor forget.

I don't care so much about brotherhood between Iranic peoples. I just want to see more regional integration, help and brotherhood between Persianspsakers living all over the region.

[Shapur]

Pan Iranism is dead. Religion and state nationalism are far more important to most people.

[Sarbani]

I like the idea of pan-Iranism. We have common traditions (Nowruz), common pre-Islamic religious beliefs/mythology, common history, similar languages, a common calendar, and sort of belong to the same cultural sphere. I think with the ongoing Turko-Arab influence on some Kurds and the ongoing Indian influence on some Pashtun & Baloch, it would be good to replace those influences with pan-Iranian ones. Also, we would have some sort of UK or EU style Iranian federation so that we could stay stronger together & promote our identity. If this became a reality, we would be (or close to being) on a similar footing to superpowers like China, USA, and Russia especially considering the politically strategic regions that Greater Iran would control.

[Samandri]

I like the idea of pan-Iranism. We have common traditions (Nowruz).

No festival by name of Nowruz is celebrated in Pashtun areas. Only some Pashtuns in Afghanistan celebrate it under Persian influence. Pashtuns must have abandoned it long time ago, or it was never part of their traditions from the beginning.

[Samandri]

Pashtuns and Balochs, both tribal people, are not part of this Pan-Iranism thing....Pan-Iranism is actually Pan-Farsi, in which Farsi speakers of Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran feel one and same. I dont know much about Kurds, but i think they are also not much into this game of Iran.

[Shapur]

No festival by name of Nowruz is celebrated in Pashtun areas. Only some Pashtuns in Afghanistan celebrate it under Persian influence. Pashtuns must have abandoned it long time ago, or it was never part of their traditions from the beginning.

Its true Pashtuns don't celebrate Nowruz the way the Iranians or other people do but in Afghanistan we use the Shamsi Islamic Calendar and New year is on the same day as Nowruz on 20th of March so its a public holiday and most Afghans including Pashtuns go to Parks etc to have fun. In Afghanistan we call it Neway Kal. Ofcourse living in the same Country where 50% of the people celebrate Nowruz, it will rub off on Pashtuns as well. There are differences between the Iranians celebreate Nowrus and the way Tajiks celebreate Nowruz as well.

Nowruz in Ningarhar

Locals Blast Nangarhar Officials For Not Celebrating Nawroz - YouTube

Nowruz is coming to Pakhtunkhwa as well

Jishn e Noroz in peshawar/By Farooq Firaq - YouTube

[Aryana]

Aryans/Iranic peoples inhabited the area from East Iraq to Northwest India:





It is said Dari was the lingua franca as far as in Northwest India, but after British invasion of India, Dari was replaced by Indic languages. Even Punjab province (Pakistan/India, translated meaning ''place of Five Waters/rivers'') is a Dari word like Panjshir in Afghanistan.

Would be awesome if all these nations united in some way someday in the future. Perhaps if not as one state, maybe as a union like the European Union. Dari as the lingua franca, but other languages teached in schools and spoken as well. If you look at the map this area is huge comparable to China, EU and USA, and population as high as 100-200 millions, could in theory prosper and become some sort of global power.

Or if that's impossible, maybe it could begin with Balochistan and Pasthun lands in Pakistan merging and becoming part of Afghanistan. These lands used to be part of Afg. before Anglo-Afgh. wars. I have heard, Punjabis don't treat Balochis and Pashtuns very well/like 2nd class citizens, and the western half of Pakistan is purposely being kept underdeveloped by the Pakistani government compared to the Eastern half (Punjab/Sindh), so perhaps in theory, it shouldn't be impossible to convince them to unite with Afghanistan.

Of course this is just a dream/theory since Afghanistan don't have neither the political/military power, nor stability and Afghanistan as a country isn't developed or wealthy enough to convince Pasthuns and Balochis in Pakistan to break away from Paki and merge with Afgh.

On paper, this pan Iranism thing looks pretty good but in practice, it is far from that. Iran is a Shia country, Afghanistan is a Sunni country and Tajikistan is a secular country. There are deep divisions in culture between Iranians, Afghans and Tajiks. A union could be a possible path but a unified nation is next to impossible.

Also note that it is usually a pan-Farsi thing not pan-Iranian. Some Iranians and Tajiks (Mongols) feel as though they should unify into one nation of Farsi-speakers.

[Afghanfootball]

On paper, this pan Iranism thing looks pretty good but in practice, it is far from that. Iran is a Shia country, Afghanistan is a Sunni country and Tajikistan is a secular country. There are deep divisions in culture between Iranians, Afghans and Tajiks. A union could be a possible path but a unified nation is next to impossible.

Also note that it is usually a pan-Farsi thing not pan-Iranian. Some Iranians and Tajiks (Mongols) feel as though they should unify into one nation of Farsi-speakers.

I was about to say this. This Pan Iranism isnt really Pan Iranism its more like Pan Farsism.

[Afghanfootball]

No festival by name of Nowruz is celebrated in Pashtun areas. Only some Pashtuns in Afghanistan celebrate it under Persian influence. Pashtuns must have abandoned it long time ago, or it was never part of their traditions from the beginning.

Only families I have met who dont celebrate it are Pakistani families. We call it Neway Kol (new years). If Pashtuns were originally Zorastrian then we did celebrate it from the beggining.

[Samandri]

Only families I have met who dont celebrate it are Pakistani families. We call it Neway Kol (new years). If Pashtuns were originally Zorastrian then we did celebrate it from the beggining.

Naway Kaal is lame attempt of Pashto translation of Nowruz. What Pashtuns do is, expressing happiness and some celebration at the spring harvest , which is unrelated to Nowruz.

Within Afghanistan itself, majority of the Pashtuns dont celebrate the Persian festival of Nowruz.

[Samandri]

The nature and composition of Tajiks and Iranians (goats) is different from Pashtuns (tigers, wolves). I will make it clear from just one example, how they dance

First have a look at the majestic Attan dance of a Pashtun elder
اتڼ داسې وي. - Geelaman Khawreen | Facebook

Now watch the feminine ways of a Tajik or Irani
Tajik Guy Teaching Khorasani National Dance - YouTube

[Afghanfootball]

Naway Kaal is lame attempt of Pashto translation of Nowruz. What Pashtuns do is, expressing happiness and some celebration at the spring harvest , which is unrelated to Nowruz.

Within Afghanistan itself, majority of the Pashtuns dont celebrate the Persian festival of Nowruz.

It is not a Persian celebration. It began in Balkh which was never a Persian city. Nowruz itself was also a celebration of farmers that is why all Zorastrian flags had wheat on it.

[Afghanfootball]

The nature and composition of Tajiks and Iranians (goats) is different from Pashtuns (tigers, wolves). I will make it clear from just one example, how they dance

First have a look at the majestic Attan dance of a Pashtun elder
اتڼ داسې وي. - Geelaman Khawreen | Facebook

Now watch the feminine ways of a Tajik or Irani
Tajik Guy Teaching Khorasani National Dance - YouTube

Iv seen that second video before its ****ing hilarious. However you can tell from his accent hes Irani not Tajik.

[Sarbani]

Only families I have met who dont celebrate it are Pakistani families. We call it Neway Kol (new years). If Pashtuns were originally Zorastrian then we did celebrate it from the beggining.

Pakistani Shias regardless of ethnicity as well as Chitralis also celebrate Nowruz. I've never heard of a Lar Pashtun that celebrates Nowruz, but according to this article, they celebrate it in Hangu (KPK) and Kurram (FATA). Hangu and Kurram have a lot of Bangash people and Turis, who are both mainly Shia so that would explain the occurrence there.