Why are (the majority of)Pakistani Pashtuns proud Pakistanis

[Firdousi]

This forum is invaded by
Arab trolls
Punjabi trolls
Persian trolls
Arab trolls
I can handle Porki Pathan trolls but if someone is not Pashtun or from Afghanistan and being disrespectful (Tilla, Ferdousi, etc) they should be banned.
This is why this forum has lost so much traffic.

You should be the first member to be banned. Most of your posts are BS mumbo jumbo and made up fairy tails. Let alone your bad manners. I have never disrespected Pashtuns nor my country Afghanistan. I have just a different point of view. If you can not handle with it just ignore me.

[tilla_jogian]

No end to your takiya yet?

What is this takiya you talk about? Is this supposed to be insulting for muslims? honestly I have no idea and neither want to lower my self and insult your sikh/hindu religion.

[paulgill]

What is this takiya you talk about? Is this supposed to be insulting for muslims? honestly I have no idea and neither want to lower my self and insult your sikh/hindu religion.

you are telling that I started the abuse, which is not true. Again I am sure you don't want me to give you a name, do you?

[tilla_jogian]

The reality is, the pashtuns in Pakistan are very simple, they are easily brainwashed by the establishment, also on the side Afghanistan is not in great shape, if Afghanistan one day becomes a prospering nation, then you will see Pashtuns in Pakistan will wake up, but obviously Pakistan would never let Afghanistan Prosper for this reason alone, it want's to Keep Pashtuns as Pakistanis, even though they are really treated as 3rd class citizens

You pretend to be bihari pathan bhaiya muhajir from Karachi and yet doesn't know that being pashtun and Pakistani is same thing. One can't be one without being other.

Anyway you keep repeating same line about Afghanistan being poor etc if Paki pashtuns wanted they could have joined afghanis soon after 1947 when both countries were on equal footing. Even Bangldeshis got independence, that ship has sailed. Now if given oportunity Paki pashtuns will merge afghanistan with Pakistan and we non-pashtuns of Pakistan don't want that.

[Orakzai]

you are telling that I started the abuse, which is not true. Again I am sure you don't want me to give you a name, do you?

Ignorant opinions are very offensive to many Pakistani Pashtuns here, "Paul".
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has been rapidly developing since the 2013 elections when they ousted the "Pashtun nationalist" ANP party out of power. Take a look at recent polls. Observers agree that KPK is on the path to surpassing Punjab in several social indicators and most Pashtuns are content and satisfied with PTI rule in the province.

[Karachi]

You pretend to be bihari pathan bhaiya muhajir from Karachi and yet doesn't know that being pashtun and Pakistani is same thing. One can't be one without being other.

Anyway you keep repeating same line about Afghanistan being poor etc if Paki pashtuns wanted they could have joined afghanis soon after 1947 when both countries were on equal footing. Even Bangldeshis got independence, that ship has sailed. Now if given oportunity Paki pashtuns will merge afghanistan with Pakistan and we non-pashtuns of Pakistan don't want that.

stop s_hitting in your pants, how is it the same thing? Are Punjabis and Pashtuns the same? they couldn't be more different

[kanishka]

I would have to say since the Pashtun regions are very poor compared to the Indic regions of Pakistan (Punjab, Sindh), they see those people as culturally superior. Afghanistan is on the same level of poverty (or slightly poorer than) the Pashtun regions of Pakistan, so Pashtuns don't really seek to unify as it wouldn't help them economically. They already have been brainwashed to look down upon their culture/language with the media/education always promoting an artificial pan-Pakistani identity.

There are two main state run channels in Pakistan that are available to anyone with a TV and antenna. They are PTV Home and PTV News. These channels only report in Urdu and spread Pakistani propaganda. Many villagers that own a TV watch this and appreciate Indic culture/language and become more pro-Pakistan. Also, all newspapers that Pashtuns read are full of Pakistani propaganda and written in Urdu. Urdu is given a lot of importance that makes Pashtuns want to learn it. It makes them seem more elite too.

Also, I would say that the main reason is because many upper class Pashtuns have been assimilated into the Pakistani elite. They have significant power in the country so they don't wish to create separatist sentiment because it wouldn't benefit them personally. Just look at Imran Khan. Many politicians also organize pro-Pakistan events (such as on Independence Day) and this fuels Pakistani nationalism. There are also no Pashtun nationalist heroes for Pashtuns of Pakistan to look up to.

In short, Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashtun history, they are taught Pakistani history. Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashto, they are taught Urdu. Pashtuns of Pakistan have their culture/language seen as inferior and Desi culture as superior. These ideals are spread to Pashtuns initially via the media/education and then get passed on from parents to children.

Many Pashtuns also live in Punjab and Karachi where they are culturally Punjabi but just have Pashtun lineage and often speak a heavily butchered version of Pashto. These people are heavily patriotic to Pakistan.

Imran Khan is a "De"-Pashtunized Pashtun. PAshtuns communities that forgot Pashto but still identify as Pashtuns because they have still married only among PAshtuns and are genetically still PAshtuns. He's from Mianwali, 1/2 the pashtuns in mianwali are punjabized but can be pashtuns if they have yet to have mixed lineage kids.

Abdul Qadir Khan, the atomic bomb guy is another example of this,


But yeah, there are Pashtuns that still speak Pashto in the upper elite that have mingled with other pakistanis. Don't get me wrong.

[kanishka]

I would have to say since the Pashtun regions are very poor compared to the Indic regions of Pakistan (Punjab, Sindh), they see those people as culturally superior. Afghanistan is on the same level of poverty (or slightly poorer than) the Pashtun regions of Pakistan, so Pashtuns don't really seek to unify as it wouldn't help them economically. They already have been brainwashed to look down upon their culture/language with the media/education always promoting an artificial pan-Pakistani identity.

There are two main state run channels in Pakistan that are available to anyone with a TV and antenna. They are PTV Home and PTV News. These channels only report in Urdu and spread Pakistani propaganda. Many villagers that own a TV watch this and appreciate Indic culture/language and become more pro-Pakistan. Also, all newspapers that Pashtuns read are full of Pakistani propaganda and written in Urdu. Urdu is given a lot of importance that makes Pashtuns want to learn it. It makes them seem more elite too.

Also, I would say that the main reason is because many upper class Pashtuns have been assimilated into the Pakistani elite. They have significant power in the country so they don't wish to create separatist sentiment because it wouldn't benefit them personally. Just look at Imran Khan. Many politicians also organize pro-Pakistan events (such as on Independence Day) and this fuels Pakistani nationalism. There are also no Pashtun nationalist heroes for Pashtuns of Pakistan to look up to.

In short, Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashtun history, they are taught Pakistani history. Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashto, they are taught Urdu. Pashtuns of Pakistan have their culture/language seen as inferior and Desi culture as superior. These ideals are spread to Pashtuns initially via the media/education and then get passed on from parents to children.

Many Pashtuns also live in Punjab and Karachi where they are culturally Punjabi but just have Pashtun lineage and often speak a heavily butchered version of Pashto. These people are heavily patriotic to Pakistan.

Karachi is Mohajir, not Punjabi but close enough cause alot of punjabis are adopting the urdu language so it does not matter. 30% of Karachi is mohajirs, it has dropped from 55% in like 3 decades.

[kanishka]

you guys need to realize that there's still a large amount of Hindkowan people in KPK ! Their achievements would make KPK look high status and for sure, they are going to be die hard supporters of Imran Khan.

i don't get Hindkowans, i keep saying they are half pashtun half punjabi but like maybe only 20% are Pashtuns by heritage ( Swati tribe, Tarin tribe like Ayub Khan), most of them are from Punjabi and Arab-Sayyid tribes (Jat, Khatri, Gujjar, Rajput, Ghakkar, Awan, Qureshi, Shaikh. etc.)

[dawn]

you guys need to realize that there's still a large amount of Hindkowan people in KPK ! Their achievements would make KPK look high status and for sure, they are going to be die hard supporters of Imran Khan.

i don't get Hindkowans, i keep saying they are half pashtun half punjabi but like maybe only 20% are Pashtuns by heritage ( Swati tribe, Tarin tribe like Ayub Khan), most of them are from Punjabi and Arab-Sayyid tribes (Jat, Khatri, Gujjar, Rajput, Ghakkar, Awan, Qureshi, Shaikh. etc.)

Just like modern countries, provinces borders are also aritificial and not necessarily for one ethnicity or even language. Hindko are mostly abbasi, awans, gujjers, syid, qureshi, sheikh, ghakkhar, mochi, teli, falang theengh etc who are similar to people of Attock just across the border in Punjab/Potohar. There are also hindko pathan tribes as you mentioned like Tareens and Jaduns. According to old British census jatt and rajput tribes are non-existent in Hazara division.

I will not call them half punjabi and half pathan, call them what they identify as. Hindko awan, hindko pathan and so on.

[ZarakDurrani606]

Der spek khkare pe dase khabaro. Zma tana yaw sawal dai, te kala pakhtunkhwa ta telai ye che dasi spaki khabarai ke zmong pukhtano wrono pesai? Leg sharam oka aw da post de delete ka ke Pakhtun ye aw ke pakhtun ne ye no zmong de melmastiya ghalata estifada makawa. poh shwe ke na?

I know right? The purpose here is to bring Pashtuns together rather than antagonizing them. These nationalists think they are being real smart, talking crap like that. "Most of paki pashtuns are half-breed"...... instead of plugging the gap that is being gradually widened by regional politics and agendas, people like aryana play right into them. You're no better than what we Pashtuns consider our enemies. Seriously tho

[toughpashtun]

As Shahpur and ZarakDurrani pointed out ,I will further the point that name calling and swearing will not take us anywhere.Today an Afghan will call a Pakistani Pashtun as 'kam-nasal', tomorrow a Pakistani will do the same.
While the reality is that all Pashtuns,be it from any side of the Durand line , have a similar heritage and ancestry .
If we do not put an end to these divisions, then we will be headed towards inter-tribal bitterness.It will then not be a question of being Pashtun , but it will boil down to Afridi , Ghilzai , Kakar, Wazir etc.

[RightWingPakhtun]

Why are so many Pakistani Pashtuns proud Pakistanis rather than Pashtun first? I know there are many Pashtun nationalists that feel otherwise, but why is the majority like this? It does not make sense to be because they are treated like second class citizens in Pakistan and are dominated by Pakistani Punjabis in the political, military, and economic sphere. Shouldn't they hate Pakistan and want to ally with Afghan Pashtuns rather than Pakistani Punjabis?

to continue this discussion?


also remember the majority of pashtuns in pakistan have low social status and lack education. So they have no say, but most they hear would be radio or random news paper. They are denied to study in pashto, and very likely, alot of their information leans them to be patriotic to pakistan. I am not saying this personally, but the low education is highlighted or implied by the pakistani media like the pathan jokes and the subliminal message about chai wala (Pashtuns having blue eyes like white people and holding low class jobs). But it's not what i believe but is implied by the media in Pakistan.

then there are the pakistani pashtuns that do get education, but their education is overtly biased towards being loyal to pakistan and islamic history and totally omits the origin of pashtuns and the loy afghanistan movement, hence, that is why the majority become pro-pakistani, or the political slur "gul khan" .

pro-pashtunsitan pashtuns are a sheer minority within pakistan. The are educated as much as the gul khans are, hailing from families that supported folks like bacha khan .Since ANP has lost it's influence, and because of the increase millitancy of islamists and the Pakistani army in KPK/FATA and the casualties of the pashtuns, this has decreased, favouring pro-pakistani pashtuns.

Now look at Afghanistan. Same story. The Taliban basically set the pashtun majority southern afghanistan into flames . Now in terms of class status in Afghans, they do say Durranis are upper class while the Ghilzais and Hazaras are of lower class.
As a result, how Gul Khans get favoured in Pakistan, the Persianized Pashtuns and Afghan Persians get favoured over Pashtun nationalists in Afghanistan and this results in the misconception of AFghans being persian in the diaspora. I have a feeling that Pashtuns with the Loy Pashtunistan/Afghanistan mentality are specifically being weeded out and being replaced with persianized afghans, Gul khans and religously muslim Pashtuns. I even get blacklashed from some Persianized Afghans when trying to explain about annexing KPK and FATA into Afghanistan.

[jama0112]

Man, after reading this comment about the situation, i get a vibe betweeb mix of matrix, maze runner and hunger game, where some paki pahstun realises the situation in Pakistan and saves the ass of the pahstuns in Pakistan through revolution n shieeet.

Man, didn't knew this **** going on(not calling us victims, well, at least not in AFghanistan). And then indics and other anti-pahstun non-pahstuns(not blaming them though, just some internet stuff) on the internet gets to call us fascist(not that we aren't ourselves sometimes).

[RightWingPakhtun]

Man, after reading this comment about the situation, i get a vibe betweeb mix of matrix, maze runner and hunger game, where some paki pahstun realises the situation in Pakistan and saves the ass of the pahstuns in Pakistan through revolution n shieeet.

Man, didn't knew this **** going on(not calling us victims, well, at least not in AFghanistan). And then indics and other anti-pahstun non-pahstuns(not blaming them though, just some internet stuff) on the internet gets to call us fascist(not that we aren't ourselves sometimes).

Due to the abysmally low support, let alone, media coverage on the Pashtunistan movement, i could say that The Pashtunistan movement is officially in the "conspiracy theory" status. The Kurdistan, Kashmir, Palestine movement has alot more attention. I even feel that the Balochistan movement is made just to make a distraction or diverting attention away from Pashtunistan.

So pathetic. Just google on English Google Pashtun and you get results turned in as "Pashtun vs Hazara" predominantly because of the book named "The Kite Runner". Nothing about the durrand line, nothing about ISI and arming pashtun children. Well not nothing, but alot lower compared to the number of searches for Pashtun vs Hazara. Khalid Hosseini probably is somewhat of a disinformation agent. And You usually get information about Afghan Pashtuns, not so much for Pakistani Pashtuns, why ?

because to find information about Pakistani Pashtuns, you type "Pathan" instead, you'd find alots, but half of that would be culturally assimilatd Pashtuns into the indian/pakistani culture, like bollywood stars such as shah rukh khan and dilip kumar (first rumored to be hindkowan jat or mughal , second is a hindko non-pashtun ).

it would help if you type "Pakhtun" with the "k" and not the "s", but probably not help that much.