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  • Analysis: Patton-Walsh says Afghanistan must Recognize the Taliban are winning

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/asia/a...sis/index.html

    (CNN)It is a war of perception, you repeatedly hear: that the perception the Taliban are winning means the Taliban are winning.

    There is some logic to this thesis, which is often heard from government and other Afghanistan officials in Kabul, in that those on the fence head to the winning side of the insurgency. Yet it begins to fall apart when the mantra overtakes the grasp on reality.

    The Taliban do look a lot like they are winning. It is a grotesque slow grind, their pursuit of victory. Tuesday it claimed dozens of women and children as casualties in Kabul when a suicide truck bomb, so eager to attack a government VIP bodyguard service, detonated in a parking lot just behind its target. The death toll was stated at around 30 that day, and now, on Wednesday, it has reached 64, likely the deadliest attack the capital has seen since the Taliban were dislodged in 2001.

    Other somber figures explain how bad the problems are: 5,500 Afghan security forces dead in just 2015, say U.S. officials, far more than NATO lost in a decade of war; 3,500 Afghan civilians dead in the same period, mostly at the hands of the Taliban, says the United Nations. Two-thirds of the personnel absences in the security forces are not down to injury, but instead desertion, U.S. officials say. More of the country is in Taliban hands than at any time since 2001, U.S. officials say.

    The attributions to U.S. officials are important, because it was this same source of information that constantly assured reporters, the world and Afghans that once NATO drew down in 2014, Afghan security forces would be more than capable of holding back the Taliban. It is now woefully apparent that is tragically untrue.

    There are no simple culprits here. The government -- in which President Ashraf Ghani shares power with the man he fought an election against, Abdullah Abdullah -- was hamstrung, many argue, by this communal rivalry from the start. The Afghan economy tanked as soon as NATO support ebbed. NATO's departure meant an unavoidable collapse in security.

    Little of this could have been avoided, but much of it was predictable. The West simply ran out of funds and appetite for the battle, and left Afghanistan to come to its own devices.

    So what is left? The key plank of the U.S. and Afghan strategy remains a simple and likely idea that could have worked well if the Taliban were evenly matched on the battlefield: a negotiated settlement. The United States has sought this, through proxies, for years. But the Taliban's current gains mean they are unlikely to imminently change their current disinterest in talks. Their ties to al Qaeda also make a long-term settlement that renounces "international terror," as the United States and Kabul say it must, less likely.

    Tuesday's attack was met with U.S. and Afghan presidential assurances the Taliban were only picking a soft civilian target as they could not successfully face the Afghan army on the battlefield, and were thus "weak." It was designed to remind the world of the callous choice by the Taliban of its victims, yet still a curious message, given the gains the insurgency has made in just such open battle. It is also the same message we heard about four years ago, when it was true U.S. airpower had guaranteed Afghan forces a measure of superiority in open battle. Yet the war has changed, and perhaps the message has not.

    A perhaps apocryphal tale about Gen. David Petraeus speaks how on his arrival in Baghdad to take over the campaign, an embassy aide remarked the U.S. campaign had a "messaging problem." His retort was simple: It wasn't a messaging problem, but a results problem. Granted, Petraeus went on in his stint in Kabul as commander to be very keen on the message, but the truth still holds. There is a sense that the government in Kabul is losing, yet does not accept it is losing. It has little other choice.
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  • #2
    "Two-thirds of the personnel absences in the security forces are not down to injury, but instead desertion, U.S. officials say. More of the country is in Taliban hands than at any time since 2001, U.S. officials say."

    lmao
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    • #3
      A moderator can delete the same article I just posted in a thread.
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      • #4
        As expected this thread is ignored, keep living in denial.
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        ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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        • #5
          How are they winning when they don't even control any major population centres? Talis are delusional if they think they can hold government like they did in thd 90s. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras are armed to the teeth this time around and will be supported by Russia, China etc this time who dont want militancy to spill over to central Asia. There are only 9000 thousand foreign troops left and tbey are mostly based in Bagram. Why can't Taliban take them on? Why cant Taliban take over and hold any city for more than a week? The truth is Taliban are no match for a regular army backed by air support in a conventional war so they will meep using hide and seek tactics as long as they can get funding from their backers.
          Hazbi Islami is coming to the negotiating table and talks are going on and they will lay down their arms and form a political party, the Taliban will follow them sooner or later.

          Lets see what happens after the summer and how many provinces these holy warriors control.

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          • #6
            How will Taliban win though? Will US ever allow them to come back? This Barakzai keeps having wet dreams of a Taliban comeback, but that will never happen, They can never ever take Kabul again, dream on

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            • #7
              to defeat Taliban you will need to go and defeat them in their own turf, otherwise they will conitnue to terrorise farsis. Maybe the idea is to keep Kabul save while rest of the country burn which mean Taliban are indeed winning.
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              [I]
              ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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              • #8
                I find it strange how none of the articals mention what exactly is in the hand of taliban. You only hear that taliban control the bigest teritory since the USA invasion ousted them...Like oke, and how much is that? And what are the cities they control? Nope no info on that.

                Taliban use the fact that the Afghan goverment is weak and corrupt, Ghani still cannot get a grip. But despite that still they cannot run over the goverment they just stuck in this fase of blowing up civilians. Afghan goverment just needs to get a grip and taliban again will be on the loosing side.

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                • #9
                  If the Taliban do finally win, what will they do?



                  "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                    How will Taliban win though? Will US ever allow them to come back? This Barakzai keeps having wet dreams of a Taliban comeback, but that will never happen, They can never ever take Kabul again, dream on
                    The Taliban can't win, that's why they always kill Afghans.



                    "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                      I find it strange how none of the articals mention what exactly is in the hand of taliban. You only hear that taliban control the bigest teritory since the USA invasion ousted them...Like oke, and how much is that? And what are the cities they control? Nope no info on that.

                      Taliban use the fact that the Afghan goverment is weak and corrupt, Ghani still cannot get a grip. But despite that still they cannot run over the goverment they just stuck in this fase of blowing up civilians. Afghan goverment just needs to get a grip and taliban again will be on the loosing side.

                      I dont think they have any of the major cities, they are mostly probably conquering some desert areas, but this Barakzai is having wet dreams about it

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                        How are they winning when they don't even control any major population centres? Talis are delusional if they think they can hold government like they did in thd 90s. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras are armed to the teeth this time around and will be supported by Russia, China etc this time who dont want militancy to spill over to central Asia. There are only 9000 thousand foreign troops left and tbey are mostly based in Bagram. Why can't Taliban take them on? Why cant Taliban take over and hold any city for more than a week? The truth is Taliban are no match for a regular army backed by air support in a conventional war so they will meep using hide and seek tactics as long as they can get funding from their backers.
                        Hazbi Islami is coming to the negotiating table and talks are going on and they will lay down their arms and form a political party, the Taliban will follow them sooner or later.

                        Lets see what happens after the summer and how many provinces these holy warriors control.
                        The rise of ISIS is a huge threat for Taliban. If the Afghan government handles carefully this we can bring some more division among Taliban ranks. Already they are almost split into two sides.

                        Hezb-e Islami will put down their guns. Other groups will join them. Hardcore Taliban will join ISIS and the rest will stay with Taliban. They will lose some power sooner or later.

                        Most of territory under Taliban control are isolated district along the border with Pakistan or few places mountainous or desertic places such as Badakhshan, Farah or Helmand. They can not win this war.
                        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                        -Ferdowsi.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
                          to defeat Taliban you will need to go and defeat them in their own turf, otherwise they will conitnue to terrorise farsis. Maybe the idea is to keep Kabul save while rest of the country burn which mean Taliban are indeed winning.
                          Not really. They are killing their own Pashtun people. Pashtuns are carrying the main burden of this war on their shoulders.
                          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                          -Ferdowsi.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                            Not really. They are killing their own Pashtun people. Pashtuns are carrying the main burden of this war on their shoulders.
                            Not in Afghanistan where war is between pashtuns vs farsis and not religious in nature.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
                              Not in Afghanistan where war is between pashtuns vs farsis and not religious in nature.
                              Betwen Tajiks and Pashtuns? Na I don't so think so. If Taliban really cared about their own people they wouldn't be killing their own brothers on a daily basis almost in every Pashtun provinces.

                              Its a ideological and religious war. Taliban want to impose an Islamic state against what they consider a kaffir state. Same like in Pakistan. At least Afghanistan is an Islamic country at least on paper and we are not ruled by the British common law like Pakistan. Point to be noted lol
                              "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                              I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

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