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    In secret meetings, Taliban rejected Pakistan pressure on peace process
    ISLAMABAD/PESHAWAR, PAKISTAN | BY MEHREEN ZAHRA-MALIK AND JIBRAN AHMED
    File photo shows a member of Afghan security forces holding up his rifle as he walks at the site of an attack in Kabul, Afghanistan February 27, 2016. REUTERS/Mohammad Ismail/Files
    File photo shows a member of Afghan security forces holding up his rifle as he walks at the site of an attack in Kabul, Afghanistan February 27, 2016.
    REUTERS/MOHAMMAD ISMAIL/FILES

    Pakistani officials threatened to expel Afghanistan's Taliban from bases in Pakistan if they did not join peace talks this month, but the militants rebuffed their traditional patron, two officials said, casting doubt on how much influence Islamabad retains over them.

    After the secret meetings with Pakistani officials about two weeks ago, the Taliban's Supreme Council met at an undisclosed location and voted to reject the talks scheduled for early March with the Afghan government, according to a council member.

    Instead, the insurgents are now pouring back into Afghanistan for what they say will be a fierce spring offensive to be launched soon.

    Pakistan's influence over the insurgents is the lynchpin to the peace plan developed over last few months by Afghanistan, Pakistan, the United States and China to bring an end to the 15-year-old war in Afghanistan.

    A Pakistani official in Islamabad said the Taliban's recent success on the battlefield inside Afghanistan had changed the equation.

    "They no longer need their Pakistan bases in the same way, so if Pakistan threatens to expel them, it does not have the same effect," said the official, a retired military officer close to the talks.

    The insurgents have won new zones of influence - if not outright control - from Afghan security forces since the United States and its allies pulled most combat troops from Afghanistan at the end of 2014, Afghan and Western officials acknowledge.

    "Pakistan's trump card - safe havens on its soil - is in danger of being snatched away," said Michael Kugelman of the Woodrow Wilson Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

    "The Taliban have little incentive to step off the battlefield now, given recent gains and those likely to come in the next few months. In effect, why quit while you're ahead?"

    Nafees Zakaria, a spokesman for Pakistan's Foreign Office, said he had no knowledge of meetings with the Taliban but added, "We usually don't know who has met with whom" in the sensitive and high-level peace initiative.

    In Kabul, however, members of the Afghan government were skeptical about Pakistan's assertions.

    "Pakistan's honesty and sincerity with regard to the Afghan peace process has always been a question," said an Afghan cabinet member, echoing the sentiment of several officials interviewed there.

    Pakistan's military has long been accused of fostering the Taliban as a way of pursuing regional rivalry with India.

    Pakistani officials, however, deny the charge and insist the government and military recognize that Afghanistan's war threatens their own security .

    "THEIR DREAM"

    A member of the Taliban's leadership council, or shura, whose members are mostly based in Pakistan and Afghanistan but also travel between Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, said rebel representatives met in Islamabad with Pakistani officials a little more than two weeks ago.

    "They have asked our representatives to bring more decision-making people to the next meeting ... to the meeting with U.S. and Afghan officials. This is their dream, but they will not be able to see our senior commanders," the Taliban council member said.

    A senior Pakistani security official with knowledge of the talks said: "I don't think the talks are dead, but they are definitely plagued by a serious illness.

    "The ones who are in Pakistan ... We have told them repeatedly that they will have to leave if they don't participate in the process," the Pakistani official said..

    "We have done what we can ... but influence does not mean control. Those days are long gone."

    The Taliban source had knowledge of, but did not attend, the meeting with Pakistani officials in Islamabad. He was at the subsequent Taliban council meeting to decide on whether to join the peace talks.

    The pro-talks camp largely comprised supporters of nominal Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, believed to be hiding in Pakistan after being shot in a leadership dispute last year and rumored killed, and his chief rival, Mullah Mohammad Rasoul, who is believed to be in Afghanistan.

    "I personally feel that Mullah Mansour and some other leaders are in favor of peace talks and they don't want to annoy Pakistan ... but they can't make decisions without approval of other shura members," said the Taliban council member."

    Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid declined to comment on any meetings with Pakistani representatives. He confirmed the Leadership Council meeting but would not give details.

    Publicly, both the Afghan and Pakistani government are expressing hopes that peace talks can begin before the traditional Taliban spring offensive .

    Pakistan's top diplomat Sartaj Aziz spoke last week of progress in restarting talks "in coming days".

    However, Taliban commanders told Reuters that with the council's decision, they are focusing on launching their annual fighting season with the hopes of grabbing more territory.

    "We already have started focusing on the spring offensive, and that's why the majority of the fighters and commanders are going there (Afghanistan)," said a senior Taliban figure, based in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan.

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    "They no longer need their Pakistan bases in the same way, so if Pakistan threatens to expel them, it does not have the same effect," said the official, a retired military officer close to the talks.



    "We have done what we can ... but influence does not mean control. Those days are long gone.


    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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    • #3
      Perhaps this is reverse psychology. "Look, we don't control them"
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        i think taliban are real here, they are not going to sit like this, and the whole move is calculated one. they are in a position to reject any pressure, they are controlling too much area in Afghanistan and their whole war infrastructure lies inside the country. at most pakistan will kick the shura out of Quetta and will deny them medical facilities. but again you need to see the other picture. what was the reason pakistan gave them sanctuaries and backed them at first? those variable still exist, pakistan is too vulnerable, and can't afford Afghan taliban joining hands with TTP.
        another thing worth mentioning is general compbel have forwarded his proposal to congress of striking taliban sanctuaries heavily in Afghanistan once again. according to him taliban are not going to sit when they clearly see a victory.
        talib should be afraid of this proposal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Perhaps this is reverse psychology. "Look, we don't control them"
          The insurgency has no central authority or command and control which is why we hear reports about insurgents fighting each other. Even if the Quetta Shura sits with the Afghan gov, it will not bring lasting peace to the country since each commander on the ground has his own beef with gov forces or foreign forces. If the gov cant bring some sort of justice to its people, it will be unstable.

          It seems that Mansoor want to sit and talk peace, the problem he has is that the guys with the guns on the ground refuses that proposal.
          Last edited by khushal; 04-08-2016, 11:39 PM.

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          • #6
            Ofcourse they reject Pakistan pressure, they are chosen by Allah to rule Afghanistan and bring true Shariah to the country. So why do they even need Pakistan, becuase all the gains they made in the last decade was becuase they are such good muslims and Allah granted victory for them. They also do not need foreign investment or technology to develope, Allah will provide everything. The current goverment just needs to lay down all the wapons expell all foreigners and people who have diffrent views. Its that simpel. And Afghanist will be at peace. :D

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            • #7
              Im going to need more receipts to believe this story, besides unnamed Taliban sources.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KGODB View Post
                Im going to need more receipts to believe this story, besides unnamed Taliban sources.
                The Taliban insurgency have military support from Iran, in addition to diplomatic channels with China and recently Russia.







                Iran support for the Taliban has been ongoing since about 2005.
                Last edited by Insight; 03-19-2016, 12:49 AM.
                "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by marwat View Post
                  i think taliban are real here, they are not going to sit like this, and the whole move is calculated one. they are in a position to reject any pressure, they are controlling too much area in Afghanistan and their whole war infrastructure lies inside the country. at most pakistan will kick the shura out of Quetta and will deny them medical facilities. but again you need to see the other picture. what was the reason pakistan gave them sanctuaries and backed them at first? those variable still exist, pakistan is too vulnerable, and can't afford Afghan taliban joining hands with TTP.
                  another thing worth mentioning is general compbel have forwarded his proposal to congress of striking taliban sanctuaries heavily in Afghanistan once again. according to him taliban are not going to sit when they clearly see a victory.
                  talib should be afraid of this proposal.
                  Campbell wanted authorization to carry out airstrikes against the insurgency in support of the ANA. The US is no longer allowed to do this due to Obama's order. The US can only carry out offensive airstrikes against AQ remnants in Afghanistan. This is part of Obama's exit strategy. Since Campbell publicly criticized Obama's US withdrawal plan, he has now been removed- 'retired.' This is important to note since it happens to top US military officials who oppose Obama's policy.

                  There has also been somewhat of a halt in US drone strikes in FATA. This is not due to Pakistan military not permitting them, but maybe a US policy decision taken by Obama.
                  Last edited by Insight; 03-19-2016, 12:49 AM.
                  "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                    Ofcourse they reject Pakistan pressure, they are chosen by Allah to rule Afghanistan and bring true Shariah to the country. So why do they even need Pakistan, becuase all the gains they made in the last decade was becuase they are such good muslims and Allah granted victory for them. They also do not need foreign investment or technology to develope, Allah will provide everything. The current goverment just needs to lay down all the wapons expell all foreigners and people who have diffrent views. Its that simpel. And Afghanist will be at peace. :D
                    What are your thoughts on this diplomacy? How come China, Iran, and Russia have chosen to form ties with the Taliban insurgency?

                    https://news.yahoo.com/u-s--sources-...201058133.html

                    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/06/21...o-the-taliban/
                    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Insight View Post
                      What are your thoughts on this diplomacy? How come China, Iran, and Russia have chosen to form ties with the Taliban insurgency?

                      https://news.yahoo.com/u-s--sources-...201058133.html

                      https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/06/21...o-the-taliban/
                      Your links does not work....

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                      • #12
                        Mullah rasul has been kidnapped in Pakistan. This is so cute and romantic.

                        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                          Your links does not work....
                          All these links work





                          "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                          • #14
                            The Talibs discredit themselves with the open support of the Paki state.

                            The fight is legit but the animosity towards negotiations is stupid.

                            Mullah Rasool being arrested and the other evidences of non Paki state sponsored commanders/leaders being arrested in the past is evidence enough.
                            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                            Sayyid Qutb

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