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  • Why did Pakistan come out an admitted this now? "Yes we host Talibs"

    Why did Pakistan admit to hosting the Afghan Taliban?

    By M Ilyas Khan
    BBC News, Islamabad


    The Pakistani prime minister's adviser on foreign affairs has indicated in a talk at Washington's Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) that the leadership of Afghan Taliban is living in Pakistan.

    For many such a disclosure has been an open secret for years, but one which Pakistan's powerful military refrained from talking about.


    So what did he say?

    Answering a question about the extent to which Pakistan could encourage or pressure the Taliban to negotiate peace with Kabul, Sartaj Aziz said: "We have some influence on them because their leadership is in Pakistan, and they get some medical facilities, their families are here. So we can use those levers to pressurise them to say, 'come to the table'."

    He made clear in his CFR talk, however, that Pakistan could not negotiate with the Taliban on behalf of the Afghan government.


    "It is for the Afghan Taliban and the Afghan government to negotiate," he said.


    How will it affect talks with the Taliban?

    Mr Aziz was in Washington this week to lead his team in the sixth round of US-Pakistan strategic dialogue, which included exchanges over peace in Afghanistan and the role Pakistan could play in bringing the Taliban to the dialogue table.


    Since December, Pakistan has been a member of a quadrilateral co-ordination group which also includes Afghanistan, the US and China.
    During the past two months, the group has held four meetings to develop a roadmap for Afghan peace negotiations.

    During his talk at CFR, Mr Aziz indicated that a meeting between Taliban and the Afghan government may take place in the coming 10-15 days


    What has been the response in Pakistan?

    Pakistan's foreign office has taken a cautious view of the matter.
    On Thursday, a foreign office spokesman declined to offer any reaction to Mr Aziz's remrks, saying "we do not make any comment on [political leaders' statements]. He [Mr Aziz] has said what he had to say".

    But for most Pakistan-watchers around the world, his remarks do not come as a surprise.

    What evidence is there that the Afghan Taliban are in Pakistan?


    Pakistan has long been accused by international circles of protecting the Afghan Taliban so as to use them as a proxies in Afghanistan with an aim to curtail Indian influence in its western neighbourhood.


    This has caused a near-permanent state of mistrust between Pakistan and Afghanistan on the one hand, and between Pakistan and India on the other. While the two neighbours have been blaming Pakistan for using militancy as a tool of state policy, Islamabad has continued to deny this.

    This has caused disruptions in the Afghan peace talks, says Tahir Khan, a former BBC Pashto correspondent in Islamabad who covers Afghanistan.
    He recalls the episode in August 2015 when a sceptical Kabul establishment leaked the news of Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar's death to media, casting aspersions over the effectiveness of Pakistan-brokered talks.

    The revelation, which was followed by reports that Mullah Omar had spent time in a hospital in the Pakistani city of Karachi, embarrassed Pakistan and caused rifts within the Taliban ranks, some of whom blamed the movement's current leadership of "cunningly hiding" the news for almost three years, allegedly at the behest of the Pakistani military.


    Don't forget the murder at the bakery

    There have been other instances to show that Taliban leaders have been operating out of Pakistan.

    A more prominent example is the 2013 assassination of a Haqqani Network leader, Nasiruddin Haqqani, in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

    It was also widely known that the Taliban delegates who attended the first round of talks with Afghan officials in the Pakistani hill resort of Murree in July 2015 did not arrive from abroad, but travelled from destinations within Pakistan.

    Ismail Khan, the resident editor of Dawn newspaper in Peshawar, says Mr Aziz's remarks have only helped remove an anomaly in the Pakistani position.

    "The factor of credible deniability is simply not there anymore, and Mr Aziz seems to have made this clear," he says.

    How will Mr Aziz's remarks go down with the military?

    Though a democratic republic, Pakistan has for a better part of its life been a country where all issues central to foreign policy, defence and internal security have remained an exclusive domain of the military.


    The Taliban, and other militant networks operating in the region, fall within that domain.

    So Mr Aziz's remarks have raised questions about whether his views reflect those of the military.

    The media wing of the military, which many in Pakistan consider to have become extremely vocal since the recent army chief, Gen Raheel Sharif, took over in November 2013, has been quiet so far.

    Ismail Khan of Dawn newspaper believes the military may not have any issues with Mr Aziz's remarks, given that he has only stated the obvious.
    Former BBC correspondent Tahir Khan thinks if the military has any reservations, we will soon see attempts by the political establishment to clarify Mr Aziz's remarks.

    Or there may be a deafening silence from the military, like when the news of Mullah Omar's death was revealed by the Afghan officials.


    How will the Taliban react?

    The Afghan Taliban have not reacted to Mr Aziz's remarks yet.
    Tahir Khan believes the admission that their leadership is based in Pakistan may put moral pressure on the Taliban to abide by the dictates of the Pakistani establishment.

    This is because it endorses the view of Afghan insurgents opposed to the current Taliban chief, Mullah Akhtar Mansoor, that he is a lackey of Pakistan.
    There are reports that several among the Taliban leadership ranks are not prepared to strike a deal with Kabul on Pakistani terms.

    If Mullah Mansoor continues on a divergent path to that of Pakistan, he will risk losing credibility both with Pakistan and his opponents.

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    Pakistani PM Adviser: Taliban Leaders Enjoy Safe Haven in Pakistan

    Pakistan serves as a sanctuary for Taliban leaders, admitted an adviser to the Pakistani prime minister, echoing the most recent Pentagon report on the situation in Afghanistan.

    Sartaj Aziz, adviser to Pakistan’s PM Nawaz Sharif on foreign affairs, made the admission on March 1 at the Council on Foreign Relations think tank.

    Dawn notes that Islamabad has for years denied that the Afghan Taliban enjoys a safe haven in Pakistan or that it could take action to end the terrorist group’s violent offensive in Afghanistan that has left tens of thousands of Afghan civilians and U.S.-led international troops dead since October 2001.

    Nevertheless, Aziz made the unusually candid admission, noting that Pakistan has considerable influence over the Taliban because its leaders live within its borders.

    “We have some influence over them because their leadership is in Pakistan and they get some medical facilities. Their families are here,” he said. “We can use those levers to pressurize them to say, ‘Come to the table.’ But we can’t negotiate on behalf of the Afghan government because we cannot offer them what the Afghan government can offer them.”

    Pakistan used its influence over the Afghan Taliban to pressure it into participating in the unprecedented direct talks with the Afghan government on July 7, 2015, noted Aziz.

    “We have to use these levers and [have] restricted their movements, restricted their access to hospitals and other facilities, and threatened them that ‘If you don’t come forward and talk, we will at least expel you,'” he said, referring to the tough message Islamabad sent to Taliban leaders, most of whom are believed to be residing in Quetta, the capital of southwestern Balochistan province in Pakistan, located along the country’s border with Iran and Afghanistan.

    “[We told the Taliban leaders that] we have hosted [them] enough for 35 years, and we can’t do it anymore because the whole world is blaming us just by [their] presence here,” declared Aziz.

    In its latest semi-annual report on the current situation in Afghanistan, published in December 2015, the Pentagon maintained that the Pakistan-Afghanistan border serves as a sanctuary for the various jihadist groups, including al-Qaeda, as well as the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban.

    The report points out:

    The Afghanistan-Pakistan border region remains a sanctuary for various groups, including al Qaeda, the Haqqani Network, Lashkar-e Tayyiba, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – Khorasan Province, and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

    “These extremist sanctuaries remain a security challenge for both Afghanistan and Pakistan and pose a threat to regional stability.”

    “[Afghan] Taliban fighters continued to fight and die at high rates while their senior leaders remained in safe havens in Pakistan,” adds the report.

    The Pakistani PM adviser stressed that Pakistan no longer supports jihadist groups.

    “After our government came into power in 2013, there has been a significant change in our policy. We are now moving against all terrorists without discrimination,” he declared.

    Last week, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the United States, and China agreed on a road map to bring the Afghan war to an end through negotiations between Kabul and the Taliban.

    “Taliban representatives are expected to join Afghan officials in the first round of peace talks in Pakistan during the next few weeks,” reports Dawn.

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    • #3
      Pakistan Admits That Afghan Taliban Leaders Live There

      By RFE/RL's Radio Mashaal
      March 03, 2016

      A senior Pakistani official has admitted publicly for the first time that the Afghan Taliban's leadership is living in Pakistan.

      Sartaj Aziz, a top foreign affairs adviser for Pakistan's government, said in Washington that Islamabad has considerable influence over the Taliban because "their leadership is in Pakistan and they get some medical facilities."

      He said: "Their families are here. We can use those levers to pressurize to say, 'Come to the table.' But we can’t negotiate on behalf of the Afghan government because we cannot offer them what the Afghan government can offer them.”

      Aziz made the remarks at a March 1 gathering hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations, a Washington-based think tank.

      Pakistan has denied for years that the Afghan Taliban enjoys a safe haven in its territory or that Islamabad can do anything to stop their insurgency in Afghanistan.

      But Pakistan is now working to bring Taliban leaders into direct peace talks with the Afghan government that are expected to start this week in Islamabad.

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      • #4
        Good going...

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        • #5
          Mumtaz qadri, a murdere is hanged till death and when his body is released, thousands of pakistanies come out in the streets to hail him as their hero. How can Pakistan deny their land as being the breeding grounds for terrorism now?? They trained them and kept them sheltered but now that it's starting to affect pakistan's well being, all of a sudden, they want to encourage peace talks with Afghanistan. They want to get rid of the talibs but not piss them off. They know that they are in ****load of trouble.

          "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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          • #6
            They don´t need to admit they host Taliban. Everyone know this since 1996/1997. What everytime suprises me is that the lower Taliban ranks believe their leaders are independent and not part of the military establishment in Islamabad. They are the ones who sacrify themselves, their sons and daughters, yet their leaders are sitting in Pakistan drinking all day green tea and eating Chapati and Pakawra. But the question should be asked for those who don´t understand the complexity of Pakistan´s foreign policy. The answer is that Islamabad has created different other groups to replace the prominant and ordinary Taliban movement. During the last 20 years they had enough time to create counter group to the Taliban, realizing Taliban aren´t able to fullfil their wishes and political aims in central and south-east asia. Now even Panjabis are radicalized and armed to do and finish the job of Talibananas.

            Respect here for Pakistan and Mr. Azizi. For Pakistan, because the country has understood how to make politics and use it against everyone and to Mr. Azizi that he still kept a proud Pakistani after so much misery, genocide and destruction in Pakhtunkhwa by his government.

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            • #7
              To Taliban it doesn't matter where their leadership is because its all the land of God and they can immigrate to fellow muslims lands

              I don't think Pakistani elites are interested in finishing the Taliban (not that they can), they just want to finish off the anti Pakistani elements in the Taliban (TTP). Under Chinese, American pressure they are agreeing to a few things but they will not give up completely on Afghan Taliban. Pakistan thinks it is strong enough to withstand any backlash from supporting these groups in neighbouring countries and Pakistan will not be affected because Pakistan's army can manage the situation, most Pakistanis are Barelvis while Taliban have Deobandi leanings so Taliban won't appeal to them, Pakistanis are educated so can't be easily brainwashed etc.

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              • #8
                Sartaj Aziz said: "We have some influence on them because their leadership is in Pakistan, and they get some medical facilities, their families are here. So we can use those levers to pressurise them to say, 'come to the table'."

                So if not for a threat of expulsion from Pakistan they will not even talk to Afghan goverment. It means Afghan Taliban leaders are not serious in peace talks.
                Last edited by tilla_jogian; 03-04-2016, 01:55 PM.
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                [I]
                ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                  Mumtaz qadri, a murdere is hanged till death and when his body is released, thousands of pakistanies come out in the streets to hail him as their hero. How can Pakistan deny their land as being the breeding grounds for terrorism now?? They trained them and kept them sheltered but now that it's starting to affect pakistan's well being, all of a sudden, they want to encourage peace talks with Afghanistan. They want to get rid of the talibs but not piss them off. They know that they are in ****load of trouble.
                  Thousands coming out is not a big deal in a country of almost 200 million. See Pakistani parliament and count how many members from Islamic parties are elected.
                  Best post in PF history
                  [I]
                  ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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                  • #10
                    Consider it as a Possibility

                    These peace talks are done under the disguise of Pakistan by USA.
                    "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                    • #11
                      Pakistan and America interest for this region are similar and they back each other in almost every decision under table.

                      Pakistan alone is not involved in this and is most certainly backed by USA,China and even Russia for these talks
                      "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                        To Taliban it doesn't matter where their leadership is because its all the land of God and they can immigrate to fellow muslims lands

                        I don't think Pakistani elites are interested in finishing the Taliban (not that they can), they just want to finish off the anti Pakistani elements in the Taliban (TTP). Under Chinese, American pressure they are agreeing to a few things but they will not give up completely on Afghan Taliban. Pakistan thinks it is strong enough to withstand any backlash from supporting these groups in neighbouring countries and Pakistan will not be affected because Pakistan's army can manage the situation, most Pakistanis are Barelvis while Taliban have Deobandi leanings so Taliban won't appeal to them, Pakistanis are educated so can't be easily brainwashed etc.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                          Mumtaz qadri, a murdere is hanged till death and when his body is released, thousands of pakistanies come out in the streets to hail him as their hero. How can Pakistan deny their land as being the breeding grounds for terrorism now?? They trained them and kept them sheltered but now that it's starting to affect pakistan's well being, all of a sudden, they want to encourage peace talks with Afghanistan. They want to get rid of the talibs but not piss them off. They know that they are in ****load of trouble.
                          Pakistanis are actually the best Liars in the world, they actually fool the world all the time. They lie as if they are speaking the utmost truth. The art of lying should be learned from pakistanis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            Pakistanis are actually the best Liars in the world, they actually fool the world all the time. They lie as if they are speaking the utmost truth. The art of lying should be learned from pakistanis
                            Pakis-Arabs-Jews-Turks-Hybrid English-Americans are the "best" people in this the world.
                            To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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