Dear Pakis, please read this!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

For the past 5 years, I have expressed my views about Pakistan in hundreds of posts. Somehow it seems there is still some misunderstanding. In order to clear out any misunderstanding, I am going to say it all at once.

So grap on to your Qaid Azam lucky charms and do you pujah, because this is going to be rough.

First of all, I don't believe in nationality and nationstates. It is against my religious beliefs to consider borders and state lines as legitimate borders between people of same faith.

This is why I don't consider Muslims in Pakistan as foreigners or "others''. To me, a muslim is a muslim, and even if he is from Patagonia, he is more dear to me than my own blood.

The problem with Pakis, is that they define themselves as people based on a nation created for them by the British raj in order to weaken Muslims in South Asia. Pakis believe in myths taught in Paki schools and universities and they have been stuffed with that garbage in songs, movies and novels.

This is why they believe they are somehow a nation based on faith. Yet, they hate and despise other Muslims who do not share their beliefs.

Pakistan as a country is created by non-muslims. Qaid Azam was a Shiite Ismaili secularist who only wanted partition because that's what he was instructed to do by his British masters.

All Mullahs like that filthy kafir zindeeq Abdul Alaa al Mawdudi who supported the Pakistani state and consitutions are obviously not Muslims. Therefore, whatever they say to make the masses think that it is okay to have a secular state dividing Muslims into different nations is all propaganda and falsehood.

Pakistan as a society is extremely corrupt and perverted. The society is based on lies and pretensions and the people who are product of that society are obviously not exactly model citizens.

That doesn't mean all Pakistanis are bad people. But those who wish to believe in the lies and myths of their state and those who adopt the culture and customs of Pakistani society are not very intelligent and nice people.

Regarding religious beliefs of Pakis, well, most Pakistanis aren't much better or worse than average Afghans. A large portion of our societies is practicing polytheism and all other types of infidelity. It is therefore unwise and unrealistic to count all Pakistanis and Afghans as muslims.

If call a person a paki, i do so because it perfectly summarizes everything that is wrong with nationalist deluded wanna-be Muslim hindu's. If this offends you, it is probably because you are a deluded nationalist wanna-be hindu.

A Punjabi, Sindhi, Seraiki, Balochi, Pashtun or a Kashmiri who knows he is a Muslim and he doesn't need a fake nationality created by kuffar to define himself is also a person who is not offended by slurs like Paki.

Regarding those religious nuts from Afghanistan who somehow revere Pakistani "ulema" and ignore their pro government stance, I have just one thing to say: you are all bunch of kafirs. Because the one who doesn't make takfeer on a kafir, is also a kafir. It is known by ncessity in Islam that shirk is prohibited. The one who commits shirk is therefore a kafir. Pakistani government is based on shirk and kufr. Anyone who swears allegiance to the state becomes a kafir. So those Mullahs who still don't make takfeer, are alsoe kafirs.

Oh and.. kafir, kafir, kafir, kafir, kafir, kafir and kaaaaaaaapppfffffhhhhhirrrrrrrrrr.
Hmmmm, that clears up the throat and is good for the soul.

[Karachi]

So why do your Talibs get support from Pakistan?

[Orakzai]

The problem with Pakis, is that they define themselves as people based on a nation created for them by the British raj in order to weaken Muslims in South Asia. Pakis believe in myths taught in Paki schools and universities and they have been stuffed with that garbage in songs, movies and novels.

The Jamaatis you despise parrot the same narrative. Muslims in Pakistan are faring much better than Muslims in India (who represent the lowest strata of Indian society). I wouldn't expect us to fare much better in a united subcontinent.

Pakistan as a country is created by non-muslims. Qaid Azam was a Shiite Ismaili secularist who only wanted partition because that's what he was instructed to do by his British masters.

Proof of these nonsensical allegations?

All Mullahs like that filthy kafir zindeeq Abdul Alaa al Mawdudi who supported the Pakistani state and consitutions are obviously not Muslims. Therefore, whatever they say to make the masses think that it is okay to have a secular state dividing Muslims into different nations is all propaganda and falsehood.

Abdul Ala Al Maududi? The same Maududi who opposed partition and called all those who supported Pakistan kafirs?

Regarding those religious nuts from Afghanistan who somehow revere Pakistani "ulema" and ignore their pro government stance, I have just one thing to say: you are all bunch of kafirs. Because the one who doesn't make takfeer on a kafir, is also a kafir. It is known by ncessity in Islam that shirk is prohibited. The one who commits shirk is therefore a kafir. Pakistani government is based on shirk and kufr. Anyone who swears allegiance to the state becomes a kafir. So those Mullahs who still don't make takfeer, are alsoe kafirs.

My only response to this drivel is

In the hadith Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna, edition published by Quran Mahal, Karachi, vol. iii, p. 484)

Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.'' (Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

[marwat]

you were doing pretty much good, and sudden you slipped to that takfeer part and you end up pathetic. it badly damage your repo. be real

[Friends of Baloch]

Pakistan as a country is created by non-muslims. Qaid Azam was a Shiite Ismaili secularist who only wanted partition because that's what he was instructed to do by his British masters.

Proof of these nonsensical allegations?

They are not allegations. They are the facts. Just ask your grandfather to locate his original Indian birth certificate for you.

To reapeat once more, here are the faces of the "Britishers" that invented this dirty napakistan:

1) Cyril Radcliffe, who invented the borders of what would become napakistan by drawing a line on a map that is still named after him.


2) Lord Louis Mountbatten, the 'god father' of napakistan. The man who gave the green light for napakistan to exist and chose the date and time which it would come into existence.


3) Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, a British general and one of the architects of British India's partition into napakistan and India.

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napakistan's entire existence is owed to these "Britishers". Without these "saheebs" there would be no napakistan and these pakis would still be carrying their Indian passports.

[tilla_jogian]

Regarding those religious nuts from Afghanistan who somehow revere Pakistani "ulema" and ignore their pro government stance, I have just one thing to say: you are all bunch of kafirs. Because the one who doesn't make takfeer on a kafir, is also a kafir. It is known by ncessity in Islam that shirk is prohibited. The one who commits shirk is therefore a kafir. Pakistani government is based on shirk and kufr. Anyone who swears allegiance to the state becomes a kafir. So those Mullahs who still don't make takfeer, are alsoe kafirs.
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This part doesn't make sense to me, you are in two minds.

Brother seem like my kafir comment made you doubt your religion. I ask again to apologize to guardians of Islam or you will die as kafir inshallah.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Sir i told you earlier that Pakistan is not a country but ideology.

I will explain it to you in detail but so far the most imp point to remember

*All muslims by default are Pakistani
*All honest and sincere people are also by default Pakistani
*Anything that fall under ancient IVC map by default are Pakistani even if they doesn't obey the above to criteria(e.g Indian PM modi is a Pakistani despite his muslims genocide but we are working on a modified classification which will have a room for 2nd grade Pakistanis)
*Subhuman even if born within the Ancient IVC map can't be considered as Pakistani( e.g toramana)


i will add more later

[Friends of Baloch]

Bear in mind the fact also that Punjab under the British empire was a non-Muslim majority province right up until the early 20th century.

So called "panjabi muslim" only became slight majority in 1911 at only 51%. Large scale conversion of Hindu low castes to Islam and Sikhism is well known and recorded in history from late Moghal empire to invention of napakistan by the British empire. See attachment.

Problem though with these large scale conversions of Hindu low castes in panjab starting with policies of Aurangzeb the Great to actively convert the native pakis unlike his predecessors was that much of these conversions were opportunistic or political rather than based on reason or faith.

Despite so called conversion to Islam the Hindu low caste (modern paki) continues to still behave and live like a savage Hindu low caste and this can be seen all over napakistan in their culture. They continue to practice Hindu tradition and culture of their Dalit forefather and have the cheek to call it "Sufism".

I think that the Indian subcontinent needs another Ghaznavi or Aurangzeb to attack, crush and destroy them, starting with Bundjab. It is in fact a huge missed opportunity of history that Aurangzeb diverted his attention away from eliminating the pakis to making war on their Tamil cousins.

Aurangzeb should have first finished his wars killing pakis but we all know that they wouldnt fight the Moghals they kept running away from them or pretending to "convert". Just like how these pakis ran away and betrayed their Taliban protege in 2001! lol...

[Orakzai]

They are not allegations. They are the facts. Just ask your grandfather to locate his original Indian birth certificate for you.

To reapeat once more, here are the faces of the "Britishers" that invented this dirty napakistan:

1) Cyril Radcliffe, who invented the borders of what would become napakistan by drawing a line on a map that is still named after him.


2) Lord Louis Mountbatten, the 'god father' of napakistan. The man who gave the green light for napakistan to exist and chose the date and time which it would come into existence.


3) Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, a British general and one of the architects of British India's partition into napakistan and India.

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napakistan's entire existence is owed to these "Britishers". Without these "saheebs" there would be no napakistan and these pakis would still be carrying their Indian passports.

Pssht, enough of the verbal diarrhea. You have no proof.

[Orakzai]

Sir i told you earlier that Pakistan is not a country but ideology.

I will explain it to you in detail but so far the most imp point to remember

*All muslims by default are Pakistani
*All honest and sincere people are also by default Pakistani
*Anything that fall under ancient IVC map by default are Pakistani even if they doesn't obey the above to criteria(e.g Indian PM modi is a Pakistani despite his muslims genocide but we are working on a modified classification which will have a room for 2nd grade Pakistanis)
*Subhuman even if born within the Ancient IVC map can't be considered as Pakistani( e.g toramana)


i will add more later

Enough of the sub-human talk. Don't lower yourself to the standards of a bitter refugee hiding away in the United States.

[Karachi]

Sir i told you earlier that Pakistan is not a country but ideology.

I will explain it to you in detail but so far the most imp point to remember

*All muslims by default are Pakistani
*All honest and sincere people are also by default Pakistani
*Anything that fall under ancient IVC map by default are Pakistani even if they doesn't obey the above to criteria(e.g Indian PM modi is a Pakistani despite his muslims genocide but we are working on a modified classification which will have a room for 2nd grade Pakistanis)
*Subhuman even if born within the Ancient IVC map can't be considered as Pakistani( e.g toramana)

i will add more later

All Chutia people like you are also pakistanis

[Friends of Baloch]

Pssht, enough of the verbal diarrhea. You have no proof.

Poor little paki in denial. It doesnt matter what you think. The World already has its facts and you cannot escape them no matter how much you cry otherwise.

Here are some more founders of napakistan and the two-nation theory, all of them non-Muslims.

1) Vinyak Savarkar, a Hindu fascist and the man who invented the "two nation theory" that India was a single country but two nations; Hindus and Muslims. He was the first man to coin the "two nation theory", not your swine eating Jinnah who only plagarised this Hindu man's original ideas and built on them further to demand separate napakistan.


2) V.P Menon, a Hindu and an adviser to Lord Louis Mountbatten. Menon was an early advocate of partition who lobbied the British to divide India into separate Muslims and Hindu countries.


3) Vallabhbhai Patel, a Hindu leader in the Congress party. One of the first Congress leaders who lobbied the British to partition India by separating Muslim majority provinces and districts into a separate country. Didnt want Bundjab to remain part of India.


4) Frederick Lawrence, the British Secretary of State for India. Helped to oversee negotiations and approve the invention of napakistan.


5) Clement Atlee, British Prime Minister. Also gave his approval for the division of India and invention of napakistan.


You pakis can dream on that your napakistan was founded by Arab invaders that looted and raped smelly Sindh 1300 years ago but truth is that napakistan is the invention of British colonial master and Hindu fascists who wanted to rid India of low caste converts aka pakis.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistan was indeed a British conspiracy that serves only the long term interests of the Hindus by dividing the subcontinental Muslims into different countries and causing ethnic friction between the Indic Muslim and non-Indic Muslim (Afghan, Baloch and Gilgit-Baltistan) whose lands have been forcibly appropriated into this British invented client state (ie napakistan).

It will serve greatly the interests of the Global south and Developing World when this napakistan is destroyed particularly this will serve the interests of the Muslim world who will no longer have to deal with a treacherous and murtad British invented client state that has been ruining the name and reputation of Islam since 1947 and has committed war and genocide against 4 different Muslim nations in the space of a few decades; Baloch, Pashtun, Gilgit-Baltistan and Bangali.

x 2, excellent post.

One of the best I've read in this forum for a while.

I totally agree, na-Pakistan must be broken up.

I will pray 2 rakah of salah the day that happens.

Balochistan Zindabad!

[Friends of Baloch]

x 2, excellent post.

One of the best I've read in this forum for a while.

I totally agree, na-Pakistan must be broken up.

I will pray 2 rakah of salah the day that happens.

Balochistan Zindabad!

Correct. If it isnt broken up then there will always be violence and ethnic strife there as there has been ever since Lord Mountbatten officially introduced the smelly land of the pakis to the World in 1947.

napakistan = bundjab, sindh and so called "azad kashmir".

But even Sindhis can do better without napakistan so in truth only bundjab and punjabi part of kashmir they control is the true pakiland.

Gilgit-Baltistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

Pashtunistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

Balochistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

There will never be peace in that part of the World so long as this artificial napakistan exists in its current form.

Nobody wants to live with these punjabis even punjabis themselves are ashamed of who and what they are which is why they always deny it and tell lies that their ancestors were Persian invaders or some other nonsense like that.

The truth is that these punjabis are mostly Jat people who are historically a "shudra" Hindu people along with other "shudra" Hindu people like Gujjars, Churas and other uneducated and illiterate "untouchables" and "low castes". It is important to always remember this fact as it explains much about the deep rooted psychosis of pakis who have suffered much historical trauma and disconnect from reality as evidenced by their habitual lying and chronic delusion.

This paki syndrome of psychosis and inferiority complex explains much about their history of treacherous violence and backstabbing against Afghan, Baloch, Bengali, India, just about everyone.

They didnt respect Bangali so Bangali gave pakiland a bloody then broken nose and now it is time for Baloch and Afghanistan to give murtad pakiland a broken neck inshallah.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Correct. If it isnt broken up then there will always be violence and ethnic strife there as there has been ever since Lord Mountbatten officially introduced the smelly land of the pakis to the World in 1947.

napakistan = bundjab, sindh and so called "azad kashmir".

But even Sindhis can do better without napakistan so in truth only bundjab and punjabi part of kashmir they control is the true pakiland.

Gilgit-Baltistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

Pashtunistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

Balochistan isnt paki, thats why theres violence there.

There will never be peace in that part of the World so long as this artificial napakistan exists in its current form.

Nobody wants to live with these punjabis even punjabis themselves are ashamed of who and what they are which is why they always deny it and tell lies that their ancestors were Persian invaders or some other nonsense like that.

The truth is that these punjabis are mostly Jat people who are historically a "shudra" Hindu people along with other "shudra" Hindu people like Gujjars, Churas and other uneducated and illiterate "untouchables" and "low castes". It is important to always remember this fact as it explains much about the deep rooted psychosis of pakis who have suffered much historical trauma and disconnect from reality as evidenced by their habitual and lying and chronic delusion.

This paki syndrome of psychosis and inferiority complex explains much about their history of treacherous violence and backstabbing against Afghan, Baloch, Bengali, India, just about everyone.

They didnt respect Bangali so Bangali gave pakiland a bloody then broken nose and now it is time for Baloch and Afghanistan to give murtad pakiland a broken neck inshallah.

I have a humanist streak and am acutely conscious of the very large international audience that read this forum consisting of journalists, actors, politicians, military men and others whom remain mainly as silent readers. For them seeing hatred against a whole race is ugly and I would be at fault in their eyes, but I have to be honest, Punjabis in general are not very nice people to put it euphemistically. I could give all sorts of examples including personal experiences but even in England they have terrorized whole towns e.g. Rotheram where the whole town was in terror of the virtually mass scale rape going on there.

1. I have learnt many valuable things from you. In fact I never knew that Punjab was majority Hindu until recently, though I have met many Punjabis who have spoken, even boasted of being third generation Sikh converts to Islam.


2. This may shock people but Punjabis are very twisted people and even some of the practising ones I knew with beards and Hijab, sometimes when they spoke about Allah, there were at times a twisted way, a slightly negative - with a tinge of sarcasm - way of speaking about him.

On another forum (Topix) a Baloch told me a few years ago, Nizar Baloch, that I would have no idea how it is to live under Punjabis and that it is hell being under them.

I know that when Bengalis, Pashtuns and Baloch practise Islam they are far more sincere and honest about it than the Indic origin Punjabis who always retain their craftiness.


3. Punjabis are far more Hindu in culture than I had realized and have not really been Islamized that much. The other irony is though Pakistan-walas like to claim Bengalis are essentially Islamized Hindus the reverse is true.

a: Bengalis were majority Buddhist before Islamization.

b: More importantly Hinduism is more a religion of Pakistan, the Indus valley than the peripheral Bengal delta which was never that important in Hinduism.
In Hinduism the Ganges valley was the most important area but also the Indus valley and the Hindu religion with its pantheon of gods and the gods v giants/demons narrative, also existent in Greek and Nordic mythology, came to India from the north-west.



Pakistani Hindus.

Hinduism was always more their religion than ours. We were never full or mainstream Hindus but on the very edge of the Indic world whereas they were far more central to it. To be honest large parts of Bengal a millenia ago were swamp and forest and on the very outskirts of the Indic-Hindu world, whereas Pakistan was very much inside it. So it is ironic that they call us Hindus.

The Sindh kingdom and its rulers play an important role in the Indian epic story of the Mahabharata. In addition, there is the legend that the Pakistani city of Lahore was first founded by Lava, while Kasur was founded by his twin Kusha, both of whom were the sons of Rama of the Ramayana. The Gandhara kingdom of the northwest, and the legendary Gandhara peoples, are also a major part of Hindu literature such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Most Pakistani city names (such as Peshawar[6] and Multan[7]) can be traced back to Sanskrit roots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan#Ancient_ages

Hindus should not be vilified but when Punjabis, who are just recent converts, are behaving like they have been Muslim for centuries upon centuries and everyone else is less Muslim than them, then the Hindu origins of the Punjabis needs to be highlighted.


4. Baloch are a tough and resilient people and to be quite honest Baloch are more proud of being Baloch than Pashtuns are of being Pashtun, this goes as far as to some Baloch placing ethnicity above religion.

If it had been another nation their resolve against a nuclear power with a 0.6 million strong army would have been cracked a long time ago. However the Baloch are resilient and will never give up their struggle for freedom.

I believe it is the Baloch that will ultimately initiate the collapse of the rump Pakistan (the western wing that survived the 1971 division), partly because of their determined nature, and partly because of the du'as (supplications) of all the Baloch men, women, children and their families who have been tortured and killed by the Pakistan army.

Karma will ultimately return to the Pakistani state and army.



Recent pictures of Baloch civilians in Dera Bugti fleeing their houses being burnt by the Pakistan army.