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  • Divide Afghanistan at your peril

    The Financial Times
    08/03/2010
    By Ahmed Rashid
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    Over the past 32 years, Afghans have fought a series of wars to keep their country together. For all the machinations of great powers and neighbouring states, no Afghan warlord or leader has ever succumbed to outside pressure for partition.

    The war in Afghanistan just got more complicated with the release of secret military files by the Wikileaks website – a big embarrassment to the US, Nato and Pakistan. Yet despite their damaging content, the leaks should not distract from some powerful positive elements that have helped Afghanistan to survive in the past.

    Afghanistan has been a nation state since 1761 – a good deal longer than four of its immediate neighbours (Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan). Even though Afghanistan has suffered severe internal wars and coups, falling victim to the entire gambit of 20th-century ideologies, the country and its people have shown remarkable resilience.

    The latest attempt to suggest partition comes from an American, Robert Blackwill, a former official in the Bush administration and former US ambassador to India. Mr Blackwill wrote recently in the FT that as the US cannot win the current war in Afghanistan, it should consider a de facto partition of the country, handing over the Pashtun south to the Taliban and propping up the north and west where Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazaras live. Such a partition, he writes “is now the best that can realistically and responsibly be achieved’’.

    Really ?

    Not a single Afghan will ever support such a demand. In 1988-89, as the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the KGB tried hard to convince the Uzbek warlord General Rashid Dostum to create a buffer state to protect Soviet central Asia from the Mujaheddeen. Gen Dostum described to me how he gruffly refused.

    In the 1980s, and again in the 1990s, Iran tried to persuade its Shia and Hazara protégées to create a Shia corridor linking western and central Afghanistan with Iran. Afghan leaders turned Iran down. In the mid-1990s some of Tajikistan’s leaders tried, and failed, to persuade the Afghan Tajik leader Ahmed Shah Massoud to build a Greater Tajikistan.

    In 1996, when the Taliban captured Kabul but initially failed to take the north, Pakistan’s Inter-services Intelligence (ISI) suggested that the Pashtun group create their own state in the south. The Taliban refused, despite their dependence on the ISI.

    Twenty years ago, Gen Dostum told me that the first Afghan who suggests partition would have his throat slit. Before the attacks of September 11 2001, Taliban leaders told me the same thing. The same holds true today.

    The first thing to note is that Afghanistan’s ethnic mix is extremely complex, with millions of Pashtuns living in the north amidst the Uzbeks and Tajiks. Likewise, the south has its fair share of non-Pashtuns. Partition could lead to worse horrors than witnessed at India’s division in 1947. Mr Blackwill blithely writes that “small islands of non-Pashtuns in the south and east would be an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence”.

    Moreover, abandoning the south would betray those Pashtuns who have resisted the Taliban. Partition would relegate the Pashtuns to pariah status, ignored and forgotten except when the US finds it necessary – as Mr Blackwill suggests it sometimes will – to send in the drones.

    Such a policy would seriously undermine Afghanistan by fuelling inter-ethnic war. It would endanger Pakistan, encouraging some of the 40m Pashtuns in Pakistan to link up with their 15m Afghan Pashtun brothers and forge an extremist ethnic state that gives refuge to terrorists.

    The tragedy of the Bush administration was that for too long after September 11 all Pashtuns were treated as the enemy, and the south and east of Afghanistan became a free-fire zone for US forces. Only recently, under President Barack Obama, has there been a decisive attempt by the US and Nato to woo the Pashtuns and also to strengthen those Pashtun tribes, peoples and women who have been resisting the Taliban all this time.

    In Pakistan, several thousand moderate Pashtuns have been gunned down by the Pakistani Taliban. They too need to be bolstered and supported as the Pakistan army is now, finally, belatedly trying to do.

    Afghans and Pakistanis have seen the bloody results of 20th-century partitions – not only in India but also Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Yugoslavia, even Pakistan, with the separation of East Pakistan in 1971. To play around now with the borders of a region beset with extremism, terrorism and ethnic conflict would be to throw a match on a ready-made bonfire.

    Yes, the situation in Afghanistan is critical, the war against the Taliban is being lost and western forces want to pull out soon. However, the only solution is dialogue between the genuine Taliban leadership, Kabul and Washington for a power-sharing deal at both the centre and in the provinces.

    Mr Obama needs to move quickly. The region cannot wait for his December policy review or General David Petraeus’s attempts to inflict defeat on the Taliban before talking to them. The US and Nato must open talks with the Taliban now, forge a regional consensus among Afghanistan’s neighbours for such talks, provide Afghanistan with a long-term nation-building commitment, and slowly transfer power to the Afghan army and police. Talk of partition should be relegated to the dustbin of history.

    The writer’s book, Taliban, has just been updated and reissued on the 10th anniversary of its publication.

    http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/earia...7?OpenDocument

  • #2
    Originally posted by shlombay
    Amir thanks for sharing but it says ISI asked the Taliban to create a Pashtun state.

    Is that true?
    Well they tried their hardest to partition Afghanistan, but it was more of a buffer friendly state. Taliban refused this and signing of the durand line. Afghanistan maatha khabarae na raathaer shaee.
    http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sher Khan
      show me a SINGLE NEUTRAL SOURCE which says more than 50% of afghans are pashtuns.
      why would iran say 70%? iran is an unfriendly state to pashtun.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sher Khan
        Anyone would say anything.
        People just cant make these census. They go through a process.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jasmine
          Shlombay, I got this one.

          Sher Khan lets start this from Level 1.

          Define Afghan.
          let me ask you a counter question, who is Rahim Shah?
          We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

          If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

          Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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          • #6
            And in all this I forgot the article, As a pakhtun I will say it is never gonna happen, as an indivudual I will say pakhtuns should pull thier socks off, because with in pakhtuns some will like this idea, some will see it as first step towards Pakthunistan. Pro Russians afghan (less in numbers but still they will be drooling over the idea).Finally pakistan will always support it.

            It is never gonna be easy , but thinking that it won't happen and sitting back will be a stupid mistake. We seriously need some Pakhtun lover genuine leaders to tackle all this. Just by saying day and night on internet, and other media won't stop it.
            We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

            If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

            Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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            • #7
              This Article is disinforming.

              Pakistan never asked Taliban to create a Pashtunistan. Pakistan asked the Taliban to reconise the Durrand line, If Pakistan supported a Pashtunistan under Taliban then the durrand line issue would have not been proposed by Pakistan.

              Also Its amusing how Dostom is qoated here, Of course he loves Afghanistan since he married a Pashtun women of Afghanistan.

              You see Afghans here get all excited when a Secular Punjabi called Ahmad Rashid writes about them, they get all happy and delusioned and start thinking that taliban are a independent movement without Pakistans help haha does wikileaks, col imam, arrest of big taliban figures in quetta and karachi doesnt give you the hint?

              Its not a matter of dividing Afghanistan at your own peril? its the matter of who is an AFGHAN? Of course Uzbeks and Tajiks will call themselves Afghan and want to take over the Afghan government and rule it, However one must accept the fact that Dari is used more in Afghanistan than Pushto.

              Like I said, its not a matter of Dividing Afghanistan or showing how loyal Afghans are, its the matter of Pashtuns making Afghanistan a state controlled solely by Pashtuns who speak Pushto.

              Kind Regards

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eusuphxai View Post
                let me ask you a counter question, who is Rahim Shah?
                I take your challenge

                he is an ethnic Afghan from Pakistan.

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                • #9
                  Not asking his ethnicity, just asking who he is?
                  We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

                  If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

                  Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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                  • #10
                    Lets not drag it , my point was Rahim Shah is not his name, that is how the world knows him. His real name is Javed. The world knows afghan as people who are afghan nationals(pashtun, tajik, uzbek etc.) its only you and me who know Pashtun=afghan.

                    Now anyone who call any pashtun from Pakistan side a pakistani ,its not his mistake but ours that we never were able to tell the world, what afghan is. Telling people afghan is minor when we see when people call us pathans. Instead of slaggin each other off we should be working together to tell the world what, afghan , pashtun, and pathan is.
                    We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

                    If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

                    Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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                    • #11
                      a pure pashtun country would be the best

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jasmine
                        It's not our fault people want to be ignorant.

                        This is all you have to say I am an ethnic Afghan from occupied Pakhtunkhwa.
                        It is our fault , it is our responsibility to tell people about our culture, our background and history, becuase it matters to us not to them!
                        We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

                        If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

                        Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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                        • #13
                          Sherpussycat,

                          Read my reply to you under the "ethnic composition of Afghanistan" and then we will talk who is ghulam, beghairata! What do you exactly want us to do to Tajiks, try to enslave them like you? No one dare even faticise to have us as their ghulam where as you're already neutralised in your ghulami. Ta azada Pashtunkhwa joora ka, aw muzjha sta sha ta wlarr yu! You are not serious.

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                          • #14
                            Da cha plar ba hum Afghanistan divide nakrree! Amerikyee dai aw ka kom bal ghwalkhor dee hasi pa tezooonooo raghaley!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sher Khan
                              Afghan- thats what persians used to call us.
                              Besides the main problem I have is that more than half of afghans are non pashtuns. why would I like to mingle up with these people.
                              Thats why I prefer being called pashtun.
                              I hope you get my point this time and I dont have to post demographics.

                              Sher khan,
                              The world Afghan is actual not Persian but Sanskrit, on other hand the word Pashton is believe to be Persian with base word of Pusht(back)ton--people who lived on mountain on eastern side of Persia...literary translation highlanders or "mountaineers" of the eastern Iranian plateau. Afghan on other hand is evidently derives from Sanskrit Ashvaka or Ashvakan (q.v), the Assakenoi of Arrian. This view was propounded by J. W. McCrindle and is supported by numerous modern scholars (Lassen, Martin, Bishop, Crooks, Vidyalnar, Singh, Smith, Dey and several others). In Sanskrit, word ashva (Iranian aspa, Prakrit assa) means "horse", and ashvaka (Prakrit assaka) means "horseman". Pre-Christian times knew the people of eastern Afghanistan as Ashvakas (horsemen), since they raised a fine breed of horses and had a reputation for providing expert cavalrymen. The fifth-century-BCE Indian grammarian Panini calls them Ashvayana and Ashvakayana. Classical writers use the respective equivalents Aspasios (or Aspasii, Hippasii) and Assakenois (or Assaceni/Assacani, Asscenus). Afghanistan literally means the land of the Afghans, where, in this case, Afghan is synonymous with Pashtun. The last part of the name, -stan, is an Indo-Iranian suffix for "place", .
                              The term "Afghanistan", meaning "Land of the Afghans", was mentioned by the 16th century Mughal Emperor Babur in his memoirs, referring to the territories south of Kabul that were inhabited by Pashtuns (called "Afghans" by Babur). Thus as you can see Afghan-istan literary means Pashton-istan. I suggest bro you read Khan Abdul Ghafaar Khan book , where he beautiful explains that all Pashtons are Afghans but not all Afghans are Pashton.



                              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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