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    Michael Scheuer has predicted it as have other savvy prognosticators of these wars of attrition. He said

    The seventh and final pillar is, “There will be an Islamist regime in Kabul.” If there is a sure bet in South Asia, it is that there ultimately will be a mainly Pashtun-dominated Islamist regime in Kabul.
    http://www.the-american-interest.com...ss-into-kabul/
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    http://www.vox.com/2015/10/15/9539565/afghanistan-obama

    Now it seems that Max Fisher has joined his voice in this superb article on VOX:

    Forestalling the inevitable: why Obama is extending our never-ending Afghanistan war

    by Max Fisher

    Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s — it's difficult to pinpoint an exact moment — the nation we had known as Afghanistan collapsed into civil war and chaos. And since September 2001, the United States has viewed that chaos as too dangerous to ignore.

    That is, in its most fundamental terms, why the US has been at war in Afghanistan for now 14 years. And it's why President Obama, after coming into office in 2009 pledging to end the war, will announce today that he is not withdrawing after all. The next president will come into office overseeing the longest war in US history.

    But what he or she will inherit isn't really a war in the traditional sense, but rather a mission — small but Sisyphean — that everyone knows is doomed: to temporarily stave off Afghanistan's inevitable collapse, a few months at a time. The war is already lost, and has been for years.

    Obama's new Afghanistan plan: a one-year delay, not a game changer

    The change to US war plans is symbolically fraught, as Obama will now leave office with the US still engaged in Afghanistan, but the shift in military terms is less dramatic.

    Obama's previous withdrawal plan, announced in May 2014, was for the US to draw down to 9,800 troops at the end of that year. Then, at the end of 2015, he would draw down to 5,500 troops. Finally, at the end of 2016, he would draw down to a small force guarding the US Embassy in Kabul.

    His new plan basically just delays everything by one year. Those 9,800 troops will stay an extra year, through the end of 2016. The force will draw down to 5,500 at the end of 2017. But rather than drawing down to an embassy-only force at the end of 2018, Obama will leave that decision to the next president, who'll take office in January 2017.
    So the change, while meaningful, is not enormous.
    Why the US is delaying its Afghanistan exit

    These troops are not going to be defeating the Taliban or returning Afghanistan to stability. To put those troops numbers in context, the US force peaked at about 100,000 troops. And the US needs 1,000 of its troops just to guard the embassy compound in Kabul. So 9,800 or 5,500 are not game changers. This is a small force that cannot turn the tide of the war.

    Tellingly, they are to be located only at four locations: Kabul (the capital), the airbase at Bagram, and bases just outside two regional capitals: Jalalabad and Kandahar. These bases are primarily used for counterterrorism operations and drone strikes.

    The Taliban has been resurgent in Afghanistan, including recently by briefly overrunning the town of Kunduz, its biggest victory in 14 years. US-brokered attempts at peace talks have failed. It seems inevitable that Afghanistan will collapse back into war. With a small ISIS force growing in the country, there are fears that chaos in Afghanistan could yet again become a shelter for global terrorism.

    The force is too small to change these overarching trends. Rather, it will serve two purposes: keep the Taliban from winning those three major cities (Kabul, Jalalabad, Kandahar), thus staving off Afghanistan's total collapse; and also maintain bases for strikes and special forces raids against terrorist targets.

    As analyst Doug Ollivant told the New York Times, the policy question here is, "Are we willing to spend — the numbers are fuzzy — but somewhere between $10 and $20 billion per year in perpetuity for the privilege of Afghanistan not totally collapsing?"

    Afghanistan is already lost, and everybody knows it

    There is nothing about this small force that is designed to change Afghanistan's slide into chaos — it's only to forestall it, and to allow the US to continue targeting terrorists while we're at it.

    The US conceded Afghanistan back in 2014, when peace talks fizzled out, the US-trained Afghan forces repeatedly proved themselves incapable, and the White House decided to go ahead with withdrawal plans anyway. A decade-plus of war and a 140,000-strong occupation force had not fixed Afghanistan's problems. The hope was that the NATO occupation could impose order long enough for Afghan leaders to find a peaceful political solution to the war, or at least for Afghan security forces to get good enough to stand on their own. Neither happened.

    Those hopes are now dead in Washington — though they linger in Kabul, because what other choice do those people have? — and you should not mistake this force as about maintaining the initial war's aims of stabilizing the country and defeating the Taliban. This is a small residual force meant to forestall total disaster for another couple of years and take out a few high-value terrorists in the meantime. But that disaster is almost certainly inevitably at this point; Afghanistan will collapse. And that's been coming for a long time.
    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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    The U.S. troops have long since early 2014 ended their combat role. What the U.S. has aimed for over the past 14 years, to put it simply, was to degrade and eliminate Talibs to the extent possible and create the space for and nurture a political dispensation and Afghan army capable enough to fight the Talibs. This has been achieved by in large and so is the U.S. intervention as per the objective stated in its ending phase. Double your bet on it.

    The Afghan army in any sense is by far stronger than the Talibs and its capabilities will grow with time. In terms of ground force level capability one can evidently acknowlege the preponderance (man power and resouces) of the Afghan army over Talibs. However, an important and decisive element in modern warfare, including fighting insurgents, is air power. This is what the Afghans lack in addition to learning and capacity building.

    The 5500 what are referred to sitting ducks will train and assist which should suffice. The Afghan army is not perfect but it is fast becoming effective. Talibs will be defeated inshallah.
    Last edited by ComradePashtun; 10-19-2015, 11:25 AM.

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    • #3
      And oh yes, what also really matters in fighting a weak enemy is will and resolve. This is at all time high in today's Afghanistan in fighting the traitors and Pakistani proxies called Talibs.

      If Sheuer and this Fisher thinks Afghan government will collapse then they are the biggest idiots of their time and clearly detached from reality.

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      • #4
        Afghanistan has the option of arming ex Mujahideen and form militias across Afghanistan where it would not be able to stretch its security forces through which it will be able to rout and kill every single Talib rat. The only problem is this will have its own drawbacks and repercussions for future stability of Afghanistan. It is far from being all lost and the picture being painted by the so called Fisher and Sheuer and what may sound music to the virtually active Talib sympathizers. It hasn't quite come to that. Lets wait and see if the Afghan forces can turn the Kondoz event upside down and as it was promised if Talibs will be completely routed from the entire province.

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        • #5
          Those militias are the reason why the Taliban exist. By reviving those militias, Ashraf Ghani is strenghtening Taliban.

          This is probably his strategy. After all, Ashraf Ghani use to be a lobbyist for Pakistani military.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            Well, he has rejected the call for them. He most likely wouldn't do that as he fully well know that the Afghan security forces are capable of dealing with Talib khayens and Paki proxies.

            Lol at lobbyist for Paki military.

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            • #7
              I have noticed Michael Scheuer has a soft spot for Islamists, especially Sunni Arabs and the Taliban, when he writes with gushing and flowery language about them. In one of his articles he proposed to abandon the Middle East, and let the Sunnis create their caliphate. Daesh liked it so much that they reprinted it, in their propaganda magazine Dabiq.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                Well, he has rejected the call for them. He most likely wouldn't do that as he fully well know that the Afghan security forces are capable of dealing with Talib khayens and Paki proxies.

                Lol at lobbyist for Paki military.
                Didnt ashraf Ghani give Amanullah Gozar an official position to battle Taliban in the north?

                And didnt you know Ashraf Ghani holds a Pakistani ID card and in the 90's he use to work for Pakistani interest in America?
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  When you have solid evidence to produce on militia-raising/arming and that Ashraf Ghani lobbied for Paki army then come back, till then you are a shameless liar and propagandist.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                    When you have solid evidence to produce on militia-raising/arming and that Ashraf Ghani lobbied for Paki army then come back, till then you are a shameless liar and propagandist.
                    Shameless Khurasani has been trying to spread Wahabi/Takfeeri propaganda for years on this forum but unsuccessfully e.g. I have never seen anyone who wasn't a Wahabi/Takfeeri/Taliban supporter suddenly become a terrorist supporter or then go and say he would kill Muslim Afghan civilians or security personnel. So his Wahabi propaganda is a complete failure.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                      I have noticed Michael Scheuer has a soft spot for Islamists, especially Sunni Arabs and the Taliban, when he writes with gushing and flowery language about them. In one of his articles he proposed to abandon the Middle East, and let the Sunnis create their caliphate. Daesh liked it so much that they reprinted it, in their propaganda magazine Dabiq.
                      LOl, And I've noticed that you're a fu-cking moron. Let's see, he gave Clinton and Bush 6 changes to kill OBL.

                      In fact, on his site, he recently released a governmental letter that validated his statements that he had to fight tooth and nail to get the US to lift a finger against AQ and OBL. Likely because jewboys like you and Shoenfield require producing retarded logic garbage above to ensure that others fight your wars for you.

                      http://non-intervention.com/1798/mor...-a-journalist/

                      The only soft spot is the hole the made to extract your miniscule brain matter.

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                      The diligence and professionalism of you and your
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                      suspects indicted so soon after the horrific East Africa Embassy
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                      In short, you have been a leader and a valued colleague
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                      Sincerely yours,
                      MARY JO WHITE
                      United States Attorney

                      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                      • #12



                        ‘Elite military unit to make Afghanistan a graveyard of Taliban’


                        Nawid Ahmad Barekzai On Oct 20, 2015 - 20:34


                        KABUL (Pajhwok): The Afghan Army’s Special Forces Unit killed and wounded more than 20,000 Taliban militants in around 8,000 operations since 2010, the elite force commander Col. Jalaluddin Yaftali said on Tuesday.


                        Retaking control of northern Kunduz city and the death of 200 Taliban militants in the ongoing operation in Shorabak district of southern Kandahar province were recent achievements of the elite military unit, he said.

                        He praised the role of Afghan security forces in Kunduz and vowed to make Afghanistan a graveyard of Taliban and other terrorists.

                        Yaftali said the Special Forces were fully equipped, but they lacked air support during operations. He said Afghan forces would eliminate the enemy swiftly with ensured air support.

                        Lt. Gen. Humayon Fuzi, deputy policy and strategy director at the Ministry of Defence (MoD), said the special force unit had the ability to move fast and frustrate enemy’s designs. He said the Special Forces were fully equipped and they had key targets to meet.

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                        • #13
                          Kunduz was retaken by US special forces.

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