Pakistan might join US-led coalition against ISIS: Sahel to South Asia

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Tariq Jamil, a Kafir? Thats very extreme and khwarij-type of thinking.

Well i ain't a Mullah to issue a Fatwa on him. but there are certain aspects of his life that portray him bad and suspicious in my view.

1. He would roam around and preach against music, sketching, fashion, pardha and other issues but haven't uttered a single word against the Terrorists and their brutalities in the country. infact when they were killing and bombing innocent kids, men and women in the streets he was busy in his talks with lollywood bollywood actors and actresses like Veena Malik. Isn't it his foremost duty to preach for peace and against bloodshed in the country when he has millions of followers(most of which has a soft corner for Terrorists in their hearts) or it is more important to do tableegh to Actresses and dancers.

2. He is a Kurta seller, having shops and boutiques in the nuke and corner of the country where a Kurta having a price of 2000 rupees is sold out on 10,000/- in the name of Islam. but he would preach about Halal and Haram and Halal income. Now even sleeveless shirts for females are also available in Junaid Jamshed's stores. (his disciple and right hand) but he would preach about Pardha and Haya.

3. Junaid Jamshed and ex-singer and dancer got enlightment through Tariq Jameel and became his Murid. Tariq saib would praise him in his speeches and would mention his name as reference and example. This Singer turned preacher Junaid Jamshed who has got a huge fame for his bayans (sermons) as part of his tableeghi journey came under severe criticism from religious segments of society after his controversial views about Hazrat Ayesha (RA) in a TV program.

Junaid Jamshed was talking about an incident of conversation between Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and his wife Hazrat Ayesha (RA) in which he spoke some sentences which got considered insulting and disrespectful for the wife of Holy Prophet. After this bayan of Junaid Jamshed, Ulema from different schools of thoughts especially Sunni Ulema rose against him and demanded his apology for this act.Earlier a christian couple somewhere in punjab were burnt alive for an accused blasphemy and most of the Ulema in Pakistan commented on it that the punishment of blasphmey is death but in JJ's case which even has a video proof nobody cared to spoke about him. Even Tariq Jamil just said that mistakes happen from people, and the only forgiver is ALLAH.”

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The fact is he is a hypocrite for saying that jihad is permissible in Afghanistan and not in pakistan. if it is permissible in one then it is permissible in the other and if it is not permissible in one then it is not permissible in the other. The fact is pakistan supplies NATO and the afghan gov and supports the taliban at the same time. Anyone backing the paki policy is a hypocrite.

He said nothing sort of this.He's a patriot Pakistani and perhaps this is the only part you don't like about him.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Tariq Jameel claims that declaring all companions of prophet Muhammed as kafirs is not kufr. In other words, Shia who curse sahaba and call them all munafiq are still Muslim.

Tariq Jameel said so because as a leader of Tableeghi movement, he is compelled to say politically correct things.

However, politics should never be a reason to say things that constitute kufr.


Similarly, he often uses extremely obscure sources to narrate "spiritually loaded" stories. Some of those stories have shirk and kufr implications.

He was adviced by many scholars in Pakistan, but since Tableeghis don't take advice from outsiders, he never repented.

There are several videos where he is seen making extremely disturbing statements about matters of faith and theology.

If I get the opportunity, I will collect them all and post them on a separate thread.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

He said nothing sort of this.He's a patriot Pakistani and perhaps this is the only part you don't like about him.

Pakistani constitution is a document of kufr and shirk. Anyone defending it automatically leaves the fold of Islam.

[Manzareh]

In other words, you cannot make a mistake, if you make any mistake your a kafir and leave the fold of Islam.

I knew such acts as shirk make you a kafir but i didnt know a curse against certain people make you a kafir also.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

In other words, you cannot make a mistake, if you make any mistake your a kafir and leave the fold of Islam.

I knew such acts as shirk make you a kafir but i didnt know a curse against certain people make you a kafir also.

In Quran, Allah praises the companions in 28 verses. This is why scholars, throughout the ages have always said: the one who curses and makes takfeer on all companions is a kaafir.

Tariq Jameel is not kid. He claims to have knowledge of religion. When he says that Shiites are not kufar for cursing Sahaba, that makes him a kafir.

This is due to a principle in Sharia: the one who doesn't make takfeer upon kaafirs, becomes a kaafir.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistani constitution is a document of kufr and shirk. Anyone defending it automatically leaves the fold of Islam.

You can also call someone kafir if he's involved in Shirk.Now tell me which part of Pakistan constitution is considered shirk.

Quote it from authentic source's.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

In other words, you cannot make a mistake, if you make any mistake your a kafir and leave the fold of Islam.

I knew such acts as shirk make you a kafir but i didnt know a curse against certain people make you a kafir also.

Khudey da gora che de dagh levani pa kisey k raa nisey.

The way he's acting,I am forced to believe that he's most likely a agent of kufar agencies.

Paid agent to further divide Islam into more and more sects to weaken the muslims.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You can also call someone kafir if he's involved in Shirk.Now tell me which part of Pakistan constitution is considered shirk.

Quote it from authentic source's.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2409086

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2409086

The constitution might not be Islamic but how it is considered Shirk?

Prove to me that the Pakistani consitution contain shirk material,otherwise accept that you work for kufar agencies to further divide Muslims

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The constitution might not be Islamic but how it is considered Shirk?

Prove to me that the Pakistani consitution contain shirk material,otherwise accept that you work for kufar agencies to further divide Muslims

Constitution is the foundation of law in a country.

If you have ever read the Quran, you may have seen verses of the Quran where Allah mentions two things:

Making ahkaam is only Allah's prerogative. Meaning only Allah can decide what is halal and what is haram.

And, the Jews are described as kuffar and as mushrikeen because they have taken their rabbis as arbab: deities of worship. Because their rabbis would decide what is halal and haram and contradict the Sharia that was revealed to Musa Alayhi Salam.

Therefore, according to the Quran, any other source of law which contradicts Islam, is shirk. Because deciding what is halal and haram is only for Allah.

Your constitution was created by people, and according to your own Pakistani university professor, it is not Islamic because it violates basic principles of Islamic law.

Furthermore, your country has a parliament where fat smelly and corrupt Mullah's sit side by side with Hindus, secularists, atheists, Sikhs and Christians to make haram what Allah has made lawful and make halal what Allah has made unlawful.


This is why your constitution, your legal system, your parliament and your army is all based on kufr and shirk.

Therefore, anyone who defends, admires or praises it automatically leaves the fold of Islam and becomes an apostate. No matter how pious he is, how many times he prays and goes to hajj.

Instead of assuming that people work for foreign intelligence, use your brain intelligently and think critically about your own society and your own government.

Any person who is able to rationally think about these matters will come to this conclusion.

Foreign intelligence organization don't have a monopoly on reason and rationality.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Constitution is the foundation of law in a country.

If you have ever read the Quran, you may have seen verses of the Quran where Allah mentions two things:

Making ahkaam is only Allah's prerogative. Meaning only Allah can decide what is halal and what is haram.

And, the Jews are described as kuffar and as mushrikeen because they have taken their rabbis as arbab: deities of worship. Because their rabbis would decide what is halal and haram and contradict the Sharia that was revealed to Musa Alayhi Salam.

Therefore, according to the Quran, any other source of law which contradicts Islam, is shirk. Because deciding what is halal and haram is only for Allah.

Your constitution was created by people, and according to your own Pakistani university professor, it is not Islamic because it violates basic principles of Islamic law.

Furthermore, your country has a parliament where fat smelly and corrupt Mullah's sit side by side with Hindus, secularists, atheists, Sikhs and Christians to make haram what Allah has made lawful and make halal what Allah has made unlawful.


This is why your constitution, your legal system, your parliament and your army is all based on kufr and shirk.

Therefore, anyone who defends, admires or praises it automatically leaves the fold of Islam and becomes an apostate. No matter how pious he is, how many times he prays and goes to hajj.

Instead of assuming that people work for foreign intelligence, use your brain intelligently and think critically about your own society and your own government.

Any person who is able to rationally think about these matters will come to this conclusion.

Foreign intelligence organization don't have a monopoly on reason and rationality.

Kufr or Shirk?Do you even know the basic definition of shirk?You don't even have the idea what shirk mean and labeling a country solely created by Allah to bring the Muslim Ummah under green flag and work for the promotion of Islam.

Although i still you won't term you kafir despite the fact that you talk ill of a country responsible for the protection of Islam

You can't even defend your claims,do you even have the idea who are you talking?do you really think i am some ordinary person?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

If you think you are an above average person, by talking about it while defending Pakistan, you are further blemishing the status of your country.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

If you think you are an above average person, by talking about it while defending Pakistan, you are further blemishing the status of your country.

Without any doubt

Now someone with EU citizenship who don't even know the basic definition of Shirk claims that Pakista constitution involve shirk.