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  • Taliban Faces Split as Talks Fail to Resolve Leadership Spat

    The militant group had been in disagreement over who should succeed former supremo Mullah Omar, whose death was announced in July.


    PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A dissident faction of the Afghan Taliban said negotiations with new militant leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansoor had failed, a development that is likely to split the armed network in two.

    The militant group had been in disagreement over who should succeed former supremo Mullah Omar, whose death was announced in July.

    "THE DEMANDS WERE VERY SIMPLE. WE WANTED HIM TO STEP DOWN AND LET THE SUPREME COUNCIL APPOINT THE SUCCESSOR TO MULLAH OMAR BY CONSENSUS."

    Mansoor, the Taliban's former aviation minister, told his commanders that Omar had died two years ago and declared himself the new Taliban leader. He said Taliban's supreme decision-making body "Rahbari Shura," or Supreme Council, had appointed him as the new leader. Others didn't believe it and opposed his ascension.

    It triggered widespread ‎differences within the militant network and many senior Taliban commanders refused to accept Mansoor as leader or work under his command. The Taliban later formed a council of prominent religious scholars, the Ulema Council, to resolve differences between the two rival factions.

    A spokesman for the anti-Mansoor faction said their talks failed on Saturday after ‎Mansoor told the Ulema Council that he would not accept any demands of the rival group.

    "We and our people remained silent for two months and wanted the Ulema Council to peacefully resolve our differences, but Mullah Mansoor has told the Ulema Council he would not accept our ‎demands," Mullah Manan Niazi, a spokesman for the anti-Mullah Mansoor faction, told NBC News.

    Image: new leader of the Afghan Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Mansour
    Former Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar (left), and Mullah Mansoor. Afghan Taliban via EPA
    "The demands were very simple. We wanted him to step down and let the Supreme Council appoint the successor to Mullah Omar by consensus."

    Niazi said they would now launch their own militant operations against U.S.-led foreign forces and the Afghan government and its armed forces in Afghanistan.

    "We don't want the Islamic Emirate to break as thousands of mujahideen had sacrificed their lives for establishing it," he said.

    He added: "We would announce that working under Mansoor's leadership isn't a jihad. He hasn't been appointed leader of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan by consensus, therefore ‎we would now publicly oppose him."


    The dissident commanders had aligned behind Omar's son and brother, who had earlier opposed Mansoor's appointment. However, Niazi said the pair joined Mansoor's faction after being placed under financial pressure.

    "Both of them were not prominent among the Taliban fighters, but we supported them and wanted to get united all the divided Taliban factions through them, as they belonged to Mullah Omar's family," Niazi said. "However they left us alone and joined our rival faction, headed by Mullah Mansoor."


    He alleged that Omar's younger brother, Mullah Abdul ‎Manan, had been receiving money meant for the Islamic Emirate, but Mansoor threatened to stop the flow of funds if he didn't announce his support.

    ‎Niazi said several senior members of the Leadership Council and commanders still opposed Mansoor and would soon announce their own operations inside Afghanistan.

    Asked if they would launch a separate faction other than the Islamic Emirate run by Mansoor, Niazi said they had founded the Islamic Emirate and are its "real heirs."

    "We and our people rendered many sacrifices for the Islamic Emirate," he said
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

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    Good to hear. The more parties there are in the conflict, the merrier the battle gets.

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    • #3
      taliban terrorist movement will not exist beyond 2020.

      ready to bet
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
        taliban terrorist movement will not exist beyond 2020.

        ready to bet
        Why? Pakistan will not fund and shelter them?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
          Why? Pakistan will not fund and shelter them?
          See the other thread. No need for the Taliban when Afghanistan is splintered with most regions occupied by us.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Orakzai View Post
            See the other thread. No need for the Taliban when Afghanistan is splintered with most regions occupied by us.
            Seriously

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
              Seriously
              Seriously what? Your state is close to collapse, for heaven's sake. Maybe you, a bitter and angry refugee hiding abroad won't accept Pakistani rule, but your compatriots will.

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              • #8
                Am I reading this right?.....The Taliban want Democracy!? lol

                I guess these "Holy Warriors" are just like other people. They shut up once they stop receiving their money.
                So much for Holy Jihad against the invaders.



                "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Orakzai View Post
                  Seriously what? Your state is close to collapse, for heaven's sake. Maybe you, a bitter and angry refugee hiding abroad won't accept Pakistani rule, but your compatriots will.
                  Pakistani rule?

                  Pakistan doesn't rule anything. Its just another third world country that receives money from the USA.

                  Pakistan is the next perfect candidate for invasion, all thanks to their nukes.



                  "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                    Pakistan is the next perfect candidate for invasion, all thanks to their nukes.
                    Eh, we'll see. With the mess in the Middle East, I doubt any global power would want another crisis on their hands in South Asia. On the other hand, Afghanistan is already a cesspit which could use a much-needed annexation to clear away the troubles. If anything, the international community will applaud our attempts to bring stability to the region.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Orakzai View Post
                      Eh, we'll see. With the mess in the Middle East, I doubt any global power would want another crisis on their hands in South Asia. On the other hand, Afghanistan is already a cesspit which could use a much-needed annexation to clear away the troubles. If anything, the international community will applaud our attempts to bring stability to the region.
                      Dream on Paki. Dream on.



                      "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                        Dream on Paki. Dream on.
                        Come on, if anyone's dreaming, it's you guys. You and your recurring wet dream of an international coalition which will dismantle Pakistan and create a Grand Pashtun State. Complete bull.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Orakzai View Post
                          Come on, if anyone's dreaming, it's you guys. You and your recurring wet dream of an international coalition which will dismantle Pakistan and create a Grand Pashtun State. Complete bull.
                          Oh please.

                          At most pashtun dream of reunification which isn't far-fetched.
                          In history, there are countries that were reunified even though they were separated for many years; Germany, China.

                          But your Great Pakistani Empire dream will never happen.

                          Get yourselves a proper economy than you can start talking about expansion.

                          Also, which Afghan/Pashtun would like to live under Punjabis willingly?



                          "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                            Oh please.

                            At most pashtun dream of reunification which isn't far-fetched.
                            In history, there are countries that were reunified even though they were separated for many years; Germany, China.
                            You're right, it isn't far-fetched. There will be Pashtun reunification when Pakistan grabs Pashtun lands. What is far-fetched is a failed Afghan state will be the one doing the reunification. Now that's bull. You guys have spent 70 years trying and all you've accomplished is getting your ass handed back to you, with a new ******* torn inside it.


                            Also, which Afghan/Pashtun would like to live under Punjabis willingly?
                            How many million Afghans were living in the Pakistan (with Pakistani CNICs) for how long again?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Orakzai View Post
                              You're right, it isn't far-fetched. There will be Pashtun reunification when Pakistan grabs Pashtun lands. What is far-fetched is a failed Afghan state will be the one doing the reunification. Now that's bull. You guys have spent 70 years trying and all you've accomplished is getting your ass handed back to you, with a new ******* torn inside it.



                              How many million Afghans were living in the Pakistan (with Pakistani CNICs) for how long again?
                              See this why the whole World laughs at Pakistan.
                              You receive international & US welfare money, and still have the audacity to talk as if you were Russia.
                              You guys aren't annexing shiit.

                              The only reason that you guys have developed nukes is because you very know you can't fight a war.

                              Do you see Afghanistan actively pushing for reunification? No. Afghanistan is too ravaged to do so at this time.

                              Afghanistan temporarily surrendered that territory to the British & India in agreement, not to Pakistan.
                              No Afghan/Pashtun willfully joined Pakistan.

                              Keep dreaming Punjabi. You will never be India.



                              "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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