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    Pakistan trims Taliban’s sails – and that’s good for peace

    HOME › ASIA TIMES NEWS & FEATURES › PAKISTAN TRIMS TALIBAN’S SAILS – AND THAT’S GOOD FOR PEACE

    Pakistan trims Taliban’s sails – and that’s good for peace

    BY M.K. BHADRAKUMAR on AUGUST 1, 2015 in ASIA TIMES NEWS & FEATURES, AT TOP WRITERS, M.K. BHADRAKUMAR
    The overall drift of the dramatic developments on the AfPak theatre this past week has been in a positive direction. Simply put, the developments can be summed up as a carefully planned Pakistani project to bring the Taliban’s so-called Quetta Shura under its control once again so that the nascent peace talks with the Afghan government gained traction and a ceasefire in the fighting in a near future could be reached.

    ISI

    Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansoor, who replaced Mullah Omar as the new leader of the Taliban, can be seen as the candidate of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] and, unsurprisingly, rebel factions within the Quetta Shura contested his nomination.

    One way of looking at the reported ‘walkout’ by the rebel elements at the Shura meeting is that the Taliban is heading for a ‘split’. However, on closer look, the more appropriate description will be that there has been a ‘purge’ of the rebel elements who have been systematically snapping at the Taliban’s credibility by ridiculing the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ publicly through the past year and more and also undercutting the ISI’s efforts to herd the Shura towards engaging with the Afghan government in peace talks.

    The ISI’s objectives can be summed up as follows: one, ISI has realized that the dissent within the Taliban posed a big hurdle in the efforts to kick start the peace talks and unless the rebels were marginalized and purged without further delay, there could be no way forward.

    Put differently, the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ had outlived its utility and not only was it becoming difficult to sustain the myth, but it was lately proving counter-productive.

    Two, the disunity within the Taliban would be a recipe for interference by various intelligence agencies at which point the ISI would begin to altogether lose its ‘strategic assets’.

    Indeed, the reactions from Washington strongly hint at the US having been aware of the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ for some time already. How far back the US intelligence got wind of the myth we may never get to know, but the bottom line is that great uncertainties have arisen. Unsurprisingly, Pakistan decided to clean the Aegean stables.


    A third factor is that for a variety of reasons, Pakistan’s interest has shifted from the projection of power into Afghanistan to create ‘strategic depth’. The priority today is to stabilize the AfPak region and improve Pakistan’s internal security situation.

    Pakistan’s top priority today lies in the implementation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor [CPEC] for which a stable internal security situation has become a prerequisite. The Pakistani army chief Gen. Raheel Sharif said Friday at a ceremony in Rawalpindi on the Chinese Army’s 88thAnniversary, “I reiterate our firm resolve that any attempt to obstruct or impede this [CPEC] project will be thwarted at all costs.”

    There is much media hype over an imminent ‘split’ in the Taliban. But ISI’s calculation would be that without foreign support, the extremists will be reduced to ‘residual terrorism’ that is inevitable in the endgame of most insurgencies. These rebel elements are already being branded as affiliates of the Islamic State. We may expect an all-out Pakistani offensive against the Taliban rebel factions.

    It is against such a complex backdrop that the new Taliban line-up announced Friday becomes comprehensible. The heart of the matter is that the Taliban will be effectively having a triumvirate leading the Shura or the Leadership Council.

    The ‘Declaration regarding the appointment of new Amir of the Islamic Emirate’ issued Friday by the Quetta Shura (‘The Leading Council of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan’) rationalizes the new chief Mansoor’s credentials in terms of him being “the intimate and trusted associate” of Mullah Omar, “who was considered a reliable and suitable person for shouldering the heavy tasks” … and had been administering the Islamic Emirate since long”, and was duly judged “a suitable and talented personality for the leadership of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.”

    Plainly put, Mansoor has no special qualifications except that he has previous experience in running the Shura, and, secondly, he enjoys the trust and confidence of the ISI, which of course, handpicked him for the job.

    Interestingly, the Shura’s Declaration proclaiming the selection of the new Amir also announced the appointment “after due consultation” of two deputies to Mansoor – the former judiciary chief of the Islamic Emirate and religious scholar, Moulavi Haibatullah Akhunzada, and, secondly, “the son of the renowned Jihadi and scholarly figure Mouvalvi Jalaluddin Haqqani…, a well-known Jihadi commander Mullah Sirajuddin Haqqani”.

    This is the first time that the Taliban Shura has named two deputies to the Amir. Clearly, this became necessary insofar as while Mansoor maybe an experienced power broker, he has limitations, which Akhunzada and Haqqani fill in.

    Evidently, Mansoor lacks the halo of a religious figure (which Mullah Omar had acquired), and he lacks the experience of a military commander. The Quran gives the all-important divine sanctity for the Amir, whereas, it is through the barrel of the gun that power flows in the Hindu Kush. Mullah Omar became a powerful symbol because he wielded both the Quran and the sword.

    No doubt, the ISI is the ultimate winner here, as it has independent lines to all three protagonists in the triumvirate on a ‘need-to-know’ basis. Of course, in any settlement in Afghanistan, Pakistan will count on the Haqqani network to establish itself as the dominant presence in the eastern regions bordering its lawless tribal areas.

    Equally, the elevation of Sirajuddin Haqqani to the top leadership shuts the door firmly on the rebel Taliban factions linking up with the Haqqani network. (Sirajuddin is the surviving scion of the Haqqani clan – Badruddin was killed in a US drone attack in 2012; Nasiruddin, the network’s top fund raiser, organizer and the liaison man with the ISI, who was impossible to replace, was assassinated near Islamabad by unknown hit men in December 2013.)

    However, the big question remains: Is the consolidation of the ISI’s grip on the Taliban’s Quetta Shura a good thing to happen? The conventional wisdom will be to view the development through the prism of the ISI’s decades-long interference in Afghanistan. But a leap of faith has probably becomes necessary here. Consider the following.

    What the ISI is doing is to isolate the ‘bad Taliban’. It has achieved the purge of the former Guantanamo inmate Abdul Qayum Zakir and his playmate Yaqoob (Mullah Omar’s son) whom the Pakistani military suspects as the cats-paw of foreign intelligence.

    In short, through the purge of the ‘bad Taliban’, the ISI hopes to minimize the scope for foreign powers to meddle with the Quetta Shura, while also accelerating the peace process.

    What needs to be factored in here is that the specter of a Taliban takeover no longer haunts Afghanistan. Henceforth, the Taliban’s best hope lies finding a way to join mainstream Afghan politics in a broad-based power structure. Pakistan’s objective devolves upon enabling the Taliban to realize that hope.

    But the real danger lies somewhere else. A period of confusion lies ahead as the radical factions will feel prompted to establish their credibility by severely challenging the security situation. In turn, the Afghan leadership of President Ashraf Ghani will be hard-pressed to remain engaged in talks with the Taliban Shura while the government forces take casualties on the battlefield.

    Second, there are strong vested interests within Afghanistan, which militate against any genuine power-sharing with the Taliban – such as Mohammed Mohaqiq’s Shi’ite militia, for instance. They are sure to fish in the troubled waters, arguing that now that the Taliban narrative has floundered, what is the need to accommodate the Taliban?

    Third, it is well-known that there is a gravy train running through Afghanistan and the cessation of the conflict does not suit many warlords profiteering from drug trafficking and so on.

    Finally, unless there is a regional consensus, there will be foreign powers who will continue to view the Pakistan-led peace process in zero sum terms.

    All in all, therefore, the ISI has taken a gambit by dumping the Mullah Omar myth, trimming the Taliban’s sails and settling for a leaner Quetta Shura as its ‘strategic asset’.

    The Shura will need time to find a new equilibrium. The consolidation of Mullah Omar’s leadership in the mid-nineties was achieved through the Taliban’s victorious march from Kandahar to Herat and Jalalabad to Kabul in a string of spectacular military victories.

    That option to create the mystique of invincibility has vanished forever and Mansoor needs to come up with something better to keep the Taliban flock together. His only viable option is to offer peace and reconciliation.

  • #2
    BarakzaiAbdali, how much do you agree with this article? Giv us us ur genuine view, no Said Brelavi stuff.
    Last edited by ComradePashtun; 08-04-2015, 01:01 AM.

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    • #3
      The guy is a moron. Powersharing has never worked in afghanistan. One group will take it by force and rule with an iron fist at the beginning and the sociwty will gradually evolve. All the US did was turn back time and prolonged the suffering of the Afghan people.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        The guy is a moron. Powersharing has never worked in afghanistan. One group will take it by force and rule with an iron fist at the beginning and the sociwty will gradually evolve. All the US did was turn back time and prolonged the suffering of the Afghan people.
        Bhadrakumar thinks Karzai will take over Afghanistan and this is after US exit. LOL
        "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by khushal View Post
          The guy is a moron. Powersharing has never worked in afghanistan. One group will take it by force and rule with an iron fist at the beginning and the sociwty will gradually evolve. All the US did was turn back time and prolonged the suffering of the Afghan people.
          No amount of chicanery can conceal the fact that Mullah Omar and the Taleban are in reality the project of Pakistan's ISI. And the existence of the terrorist group also helps US in maintaining and justifying its military basis in Afghanistan and the region. That is why US never put enough pressure on Pakistan to abandon its policy of using terrorist as foreign policy tool. In fact the whole Islamist terrorist phenomenon gives US and NATO and all other major powers to intervene in Muslim lands.
          Last edited by Toramana; 08-04-2015, 11:09 AM.

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          • #6
            The mythical nature of Mullah is indicated by the fact that although one sees thousands of photographs, video releases, etc. of Osmama Bin Laden and Maulana Samuil Haq the pro-claimed teacher of Mullah Omar and father of the Taleban but one doesn't find a single authentic picture of Mullah Omar.

            That means he was a complete concoction of Pakistan's intelligence agency.

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            • #7
              This smelly paki fellow, Hamid Gul, what a joker!

              Dirty pakis still dream of merging Afghanistan into their nasty napakistan in the desire to dilute its Indian character so that the paki low-caste convert from Hindus can feel good about appropriating another peoples culture and history for himself so that he can turn around to his Indian big brother and say ha ha, see, we are different from you!

              Stinking pakis only live for denying who and what they are at every opportunity they can to claim association with peoples that are foreign to them.

              All the Taliban ever was and ever will be is a paki ploy to subvert Afghanistan to compensate for napakistan's lack of identity and purpose as a state and for the punjabis timeless quest to rewrite himself in the image of those that had always conquered and beat him sh**less throughout centuries of his miserable history as Hindu "low caste" and sh*t stain of the planet.

              Funeral prayer in absentia held for Mulla Omar

              "Briefly addressing the participants former DG ISI Lt Gen (Retd) Hamid Gul and other speakers paid glowing tributes to late Mulla Mohammad Omar and termed the way of his governance a beacon light for the rulers of Muslim countries.

              Hamid Gul said that Mulla Mohammad Omar was a great personality who had defied the sole superpower of the world and refused to hand over Osama bin Laden to America.

              He said that his philosophy was alive in yesteryears and it will remain vibrant in future as well because his followers are very much in the arena to rid their motherland from the yoke of invaders."

              Terming the relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan based on Kalma-i-Taiba, Hamid Gul was confident that together both the brotherly Islamic states would transform into a superpower to establish peace in the whole region and would also give the message of peace to the whole world."

              http://nation.com.pk/national/02-Aug...for-mulla-omar
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                This smelly paki fellow, Hamid Gul, what a joker!

                Dirty pakis still dream of merging Afghanistan into their nasty napakistan in the desire to dilute its Indian character so that the paki low-caste convert from Hindus can feel good about appropriating another peoples culture and history for himself so that he can turn around to his Indian big brother and say ha ha, see, we are different from you!

                Stinking pakis only live for denying who and what they are at every opportunity they can to claim association with peoples that are foreign to them.

                All the Taliban ever was and ever will be is a paki ploy to subvert Afghanistan to compensate for napakistan's lack of identity and purpose as a state and for the punjabis timeless quest to rewrite himself in the image of those that had always conquered and beat him sh**less throughout centuries of his miserable history as Hindu "low caste" and sh*t stain of the planet.

                Funeral prayer in absentia held for Mulla Omar

                "Briefly addressing the participants former DG ISI Lt Gen (Retd) Hamid Gul and other speakers paid glowing tributes to late Mulla Mohammad Omar and termed the way of his governance a beacon light for the rulers of Muslim countries.

                Hamid Gul said that Mulla Mohammad Omar was a great personality who had defied the sole superpower of the world and refused to hand over Osama bin Laden to America.

                He said that his philosophy was alive in yesteryears and it will remain vibrant in future as well because his followers are very much in the arena to rid their motherland from the yoke of invaders."

                Terming the relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan based on Kalma-i-Taiba, Hamid Gul was confident that together both the brotherly Islamic states would transform into a superpower to establish peace in the whole region and would also give the message of peace to the whole world."

                http://nation.com.pk/national/02-Aug...for-mulla-omar
                AHAHAHAHHA

                Hamid GUL is a funny guy. We can give that to the smelly porki and former hindu running from India!
                To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                  http://atimes.com/2015/08/pakistan-t...ood-for-peace/

                  Pakistan trims Taliban’s sails – and that’s good for peace

                  HOME › ASIA TIMES NEWS & FEATURES › PAKISTAN TRIMS TALIBAN’S SAILS – AND THAT’S GOOD FOR PEACE

                  Pakistan trims Taliban’s sails – and that’s good for peace

                  BY M.K. BHADRAKUMAR on AUGUST 1, 2015 in ASIA TIMES NEWS & FEATURES, AT TOP WRITERS, M.K. BHADRAKUMAR
                  The overall drift of the dramatic developments on the AfPak theatre this past week has been in a positive direction. Simply put, the developments can be summed up as a carefully planned Pakistani project to bring the Taliban’s so-called Quetta Shura under its control once again

                  I am thoroughly confused at how Toramana and others take stock in this article. Their views are schizophrenic. According to Amrullah and Toramana and the mad red hatters - they were never NOT under Pakistan military's control. So which is it? Control? Uncontrolled? A myth? A reality? They cannot be both at the same time. That leaves one possibility - that they were never under anyone's control but their own and that if they took anyone's weapons, guns, and training it was because that is what they needed to accomplish what they wanted.

                  so that the nascent peace talks with the Afghan government gained traction and a ceasefire in the fighting in a near future could be reached.

                  This part may be true. In NYC, Seattle, LA etc all the major cities with Pashtuns from both Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Pakistani citizened Pashtuns from Chaman and Peshawar are being brainwashed by the Geo news and what not to look at Ghani as an ally.

                  So the Pakistani media appears to be painting Ghani as a guy that can be worked with toward peace as opposed to how Karzai was presented - I say this because this is what friends and family members tell me they are saying.

                  So there appears to be some conditioning going on to get the people to think of Ghani as a workable partner.



                  ISI

                  Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansoor, who replaced Mullah Omar as the new leader of the Taliban, can be seen as the candidate of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] and, unsurprisingly, rebel factions within the Quetta Shura contested his nomination.

                  I have the same information as everyone else and the news articles that are open source all appear to be saying this is the case - and then now and then a rare article appears saying Mansour never agreed to any talks and is issuing orders to ignore the news media reports - i.e. that he wants to continue the battle.

                  One way of looking at the reported ‘walkout’ by the rebel elements at the Shura meeting is that the Taliban is heading for a ‘split’. However, on closer look, the more appropriate description will be that there has been a ‘purge’ of the rebel elements who have been systematically snapping at the Taliban’s credibility by ridiculing the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ publicly through the past year and more and also undercutting the ISI’s efforts to herd the Shura towards engaging with the Afghan government in peace talks.

                  Someone has been issuing proclamations in Mullah Muhammad Omar Akhund's name - could it be someone shadowy and similar to the ISI character that organized Mumbai?:

                  ww.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai

                  Or was it simply a tactic of war agreed upon by the Quetta Shura?
                  Conversing the truth, lies and intelligence pertaining to the assessment of the Pashtun population across the Durrand line.





                  The ISI’s objectives can be summed up as follows: one, ISI has realized that the dissent within the Taliban posed a big hurdle in the efforts to kick start the peace talks and unless the rebels were marginalized and purged without further delay, there could be no way forward.

                  Maybe. The duplicity of Pakistan's ruling elite and wealthy fuedals is as follows: For two decades they lauded and applauded the Pashtuns who died in the droves, including their own citizens from FATA belt as "brave" "warriors" and "heroes" but when that translated into their behinds getting thrown into the frying pan - and their lives getting a bit difficult - this resulted in them deciding self preservation was far preferred to allowing an internal Taliban and the external Taliban to threaten their plutocracy in any way whatsoever.

                  The military may have had a fear because though they have the nuclear deterrent and we can see from Rick Santorum's words, that even that nutcase hesitates to want to take on Pakistan because of it - if that possibility even reared its head ---> The western powers already have plans in place to attempt to secure Pakistan's arsenal and they would intervene accordingly. So they also decided self preservation was the way to go.


                  Put differently, the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ had outlived its utility and not only was it becoming difficult to sustain the myth, but it was lately proving counter-productive.

                  I do not know what the myth is.. in terms of what, where and when? Abdul Ahad Karzai, when alive initially met with and applauded the acts that Omar did initially when securing the countryside. Multiple groups confirm including former militia members, and the children of them (e.g. Abdurraziq the son of a member of Ismat Muslim's militia) that Omar and his initial group of talibs took a "hang em high" approach to these commanders, bacha baz promoters, and criminals.

                  Or is the myth the recent set of proclamations that were attributed to him post his death?


                  Two, the disunity within the Taliban would be a recipe for interference by various intelligence agencies at which point the ISI would begin to altogether lose its ‘strategic assets’.

                  According to some here that has already happened right? The former Baitullah group reportedly has links now as "strategic assets" of others... so what would change that dynamic?

                  Indeed, the reactions from Washington strongly hint at the US having been aware of the ‘Mullah Omar myth’ for some time already. How far back the US intelligence got wind of the myth we may never get to know,

                  So he seems to be alluding to the last 2 years as the "myth period" which may be fair.

                  but the bottom line is that great uncertainties have arisen. Unsurprisingly, Pakistan decided to clean the Aegean stables.


                  A third factor is that for a variety of reasons, Pakistan’s interest has shifted from the projection of power into Afghanistan to create ‘strategic depth’. The priority today is to stabilize the AfPak region and improve Pakistan’s internal security situation.

                  This may be the case... but I am unsure. What has really changed? In the 1990s Pakistan was a s-hithole with little investment in the former NWFP and now it had no problem displacing a huge portion of that population and making it into a slightly worse s-hithole.

                  The poor people? They are already used to insecurity, a miserable life etc. So what does Pakistan care since it generally keeps a lot of the refugees restricted to the former NWFP and Balochistan?


                  Pakistan’s top priority today lies in the implementation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor [CPEC] for which a stable internal security situation has become a prerequisite.

                  Interesting - I didn't know about that. I always assumed that Pakistan relied on the military controlling the majority of things and that to keep the military in power the military always needed a foreign threat to saber rattle about. Some of it has some basis in reality. The history of Pakistan and Afghanistan is frought with problematic lack of diplomacy in the 1940s and 50s and enhanced Pakistan's paranoia.

                  I have not really seen a shift in the thought process of many rural Pakistanis even abroad - that India and others are attempting to destabilize their nation. The elites on the other hand are mixing, dating, drinking with Indians all the time ... maybe the latter matter more and exert more power.


                  The Pakistani army chief Gen. Raheel Sharif said Friday at a ceremony in Rawalpindi on the Chinese Army’s 88thAnniversary, “I reiterate our firm resolve that any attempt to obstruct or impede this [CPEC] project will be thwarted at all costs.”

                  There is much media hype over an imminent ‘split’ in the Taliban. But ISI’s calculation would be that without foreign support, the extremists will be reduced to ‘residual terrorism’ that is inevitable in the endgame of most insurgencies. These rebel elements are already being branded as affiliates of the Islamic State. We may expect an all-out Pakistani offensive against the Taliban rebel factions.

                  Well, Pakistan and Pakistanis view themselves as living in a tough neighborhood. I always joke with my friends that Afghanistan is the Lion, India uses the Tiger symbol, Russia uses the bear, and Pakistan should use the cockroach as its symbol. This is my humor, but what I mean by this as well is that the cockroach has survived millenia, it will do whatever it takes to survive. In this vein, I think the Pakistan military and elite establishment view survival in some form, if even nominally "Muslim" as paramount as opposed to idealistic meanderings.

                  It is against such a complex backdrop that the new Taliban line-up announced Friday becomes comprehensible. The heart of the matter is that the Taliban will be effectively having a triumvirate leading the Shura or the Leadership Council.

                  The ‘Declaration regarding the appointment of new Amir of the Islamic Emirate’ issued Friday by the Quetta Shura (‘The Leading Council of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan’) rationalizes the new chief Mansoor’s credentials in terms of him being “the intimate and trusted associate” of Mullah Omar, “who was considered a reliable and suitable person for shouldering the heavy tasks” … and had been administering the Islamic Emirate since long”, and was duly judged “a suitable and talented personality for the leadership of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.”

                  Plainly put, Mansoor has no special qualifications except that he has previous experience in running the Shura, and, secondly, he enjoys the trust and confidence of the ISI, which of course, handpicked him for the job.

                  Ive read different things now. Some articles say he was aviation minister and had some other skills Omar valued.

                  Interestingly, the Shura’s Declaration proclaiming the selection of the new Amir also announced the appointment “after due consultation” of two deputies to Mansoor – the former judiciary chief of the Islamic Emirate and religious scholar, Moulavi Haibatullah Akhunzada, and, secondly, “the son of the renowned Jihadi and scholarly figure Mouvalvi Jalaluddin Haqqani…, a well-known Jihadi commander Mullah Sirajuddin Haqqani”.

                  Well, these groups all have some link peripherally. Remember the famous video of Hakim Mahsud and the Jordanian linked to AQ? I believe that people forget the ability of these people to also network despite the difficulty in communications and monitoring. This is why I think Michael Scheuer may be correct that AZ knew Mullah Omar had passed on and did not intervene or say anything.

                  This is the first time that the Taliban Shura has named two deputies to the Amir. Clearly, this became necessary insofar as while Mansoor maybe an experienced power broker, he has limitations, which Akhunzada and Haqqani fill in.

                  Evidently, Mansoor lacks the halo of a religious figure (which Mullah Omar had acquired), and he lacks the experience of a military commander. The Quran gives the all-important divine sanctity for the Amir, whereas, it is through the barrel of the gun that power flows in the Hindu Kush. Mullah Omar became a powerful symbol because he wielded both the Quran and the sword.

                  Well, this is what is interesting, if these legions of men were doing what they did simply for the sake of Mullah Omar, then their struggles, according to the theology they follow were misplaced. The Quran itself tells the companions "If Muhammad were to pass or be slain, would you then turn on your heels?" If such is the case, then the whole cause they pursued in the initial, i.e. power in the name of Omar, would be rather against the religious ideals they claim to espouse. I guess the coming months will determine the answer to this.

                  No doubt, the ISI is the ultimate winner here, as it has independent lines to all three protagonists in the triumvirate on a ‘need-to-know’ basis. Of course, in any settlement in Afghanistan, Pakistan will count on the Haqqani network to establish itself as the dominant presence in the eastern regions bordering its lawless tribal areas.

                  Equally, the elevation of Sirajuddin Haqqani to the top leadership shuts the door firmly on the rebel Taliban factions linking up with the Haqqani network. (Sirajuddin is the surviving scion of the Haqqani clan – Badruddin was killed in a US drone attack in 2012; Nasiruddin, the network’s top fund raiser, organizer and the liaison man with the ISI, who was impossible to replace, was assassinated near Islamabad by unknown hit men in December 2013.)

                  However, the big question remains: Is the consolidation of the ISI’s grip on the Taliban’s Quetta Shura a good thing to happen? The conventional wisdom will be to view the development through the prism of the ISI’s decades-long interference in Afghanistan. But a leap of faith has probably becomes necessary here. Consider the following.

                  What the ISI is doing is to isolate the ‘bad Taliban’. It has achieved the purge of the former Guantanamo inmate Abdul Qayum Zakir and his playmate Yaqoob (Mullah Omar’s son) whom the Pakistani military suspects as the cats-paw of foreign intelligence.

                  Well so the allegation being made here is the Omar's son is aligned with Afghan intelligence... or at least is not in line with Pakistan. This makes the narrative pushed by Saleh and the Mad Red Hatters unrealistic as well and also would obligate and demand Afghan intelligence and others to view his son as independent minded and not dancing to anyone's tune.

                  In short, through the purge of the ‘bad Taliban’, the ISI hopes to minimize the scope for foreign powers to meddle with the Quetta Shura, while also accelerating the peace process.

                  What needs to be factored in here is that the specter of a Taliban takeover no longer haunts Afghanistan. Henceforth, the Taliban’s best hope lies finding a way to join mainstream Afghan politics in a broad-based power structure. Pakistan’s objective devolves upon enabling the Taliban to realize that hope.

                  I once again do not know the answer to this. Many ANA and many Talibs have died this year. This oft-repeated phrase was also what was used in Dhiem's time regarding the Cong. I see nothing to substantiate this prediction that "there is no way the Afghan government is to be ever topped." I would modify it and say "There is no way for it to be toppled if it has persistent aid, air cover, and NATO support." I would also say that the reverse is true as well if these predictions all do not bear fruit. In the absence of Omar, these guys have become more deadly, attacked more northern regions, hid harder, faster and heavier... so the caveat is "There is no way for the insurgency to be eradicated."

                  But the real danger lies somewhere else. A period of confusion lies ahead as the radical factions will feel prompted to establish their credibility by severely challenging the security situation. In turn, the Afghan leadership of President Ashraf Ghani will be hard-pressed to remain engaged in talks with the Taliban Shura while the government forces take casualties on the battlefield.

                  May happen.

                  Second, there are strong vested interests within Afghanistan, which militate against any genuine power-sharing with the Taliban – such as Mohammed Mohaqiq’s Shi’ite militia,

                  I agree with this statement. This is what I hate about all this too. Sons of b-itches like this are actually having a voice and true blood brothers (Pashtuns in government and their adversaries on the field of battle) are murdering eachother to permit this sort of filth and trash to benefit.

                  for instance. They are sure to fish in the troubled waters, arguing that now that the Taliban narrative has floundered, what is the need to accommodate the Taliban?

                  This is why I think that the release and timing of teh NDS statement was done to ensure these sort of unsavory figures get their way to preventing a peaceful resolution.

                  Third, it is well-known that there is a gravy train running through Afghanistan and the cessation of the conflict does not suit many warlords profiteering from drug trafficking and so on.

                  Agree

                  Finally, unless there is a regional consensus, there will be foreign powers who will continue to view the Pakistan-led peace process in zero sum terms.

                  All in all, therefore, the ISI has taken a gambit by dumping the Mullah Omar myth, trimming the Taliban’s sails and settling for a leaner Quetta Shura as its ‘strategic asset’.

                  The Shura will need time to find a new equilibrium. The consolidation of Mullah Omar’s leadership in the mid-nineties was achieved through the Taliban’s victorious march from Kandahar to Herat and Jalalabad to Kabul in a string of spectacular military victories.

                  That option to create the mystique of invincibility has vanished forever and Mansoor needs to come up with something better to keep the Taliban flock together. His only viable option is to offer peace and reconciliation.

                  As Scheuer said, the world has changed, and lest we forget the bogeyman was not these fighters leaving in the droves for peace ... but instead going to IS and Baghadadi.... and that was when Omar was deemed "alive." So what now? Why would they suddenly abandon that gradient and go with the guy making peace?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                    The mythical nature of Mullah is indicated by the fact that although one sees thousands of photographs, video releases, etc. of Osmama Bin Laden and Maulana Samuil Haq the pro-claimed teacher of Mullah Omar and father of the Taleban but one doesn't find a single authentic picture of Mullah Omar.

                    That means he was a complete concoction of Pakistan's intelligence agency.
                    Idiot, tell that to Abdul Ahad Karzai, Hekmat Karzai, Turki, and the other French diplomat that saw him directly.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                      BarakzaiAbdali, how much do you agree with this article? Giv us us ur genuine view, no Said Brelavi stuff.
                      Tried my best - however, the world is a diverse and ever changing place - and we are never completely right... we just hope to not be completely wrong!
                      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                        No amount of chicanery can conceal the fact that Mullah Omar and the Taleban are in reality the project of Pakistan's ISI. And the existence of the terrorist group also helps US in maintaining and justifying its military basis in Afghanistan and the region. That is why US never put enough pressure on Pakistan to abandon its policy of using terrorist as foreign policy tool. In fact the whole Islamist terrorist phenomenon gives US and NATO and all other major powers to intervene in Muslim lands.
                        Saddam, Ghadafi, and Asad are not Islamists and they intervened there. In fact they were your type.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by khushal View Post
                          Saddam, Ghadafi, and Asad are not Islamists and they intervened there. In fact they were your type.
                          Khushal you living in USA, you need to go outside your fantasy world and see how the real worlds works and specially geopolitics. You live in most filthy nation in the world and thinking you do some Gods bidding and will come to heaven? What are you trying to accomplish here on PF, when coming with your US based facts?

                          Toramana is not even close as these dictators. He is not any puppet of any human. We pure Pashtuns only bow to God. And not humans or money like your mullahs and crazy fake muslim islamist are doing right now around the world.

                          Saddam was the best friend of USA/NATO/WEST until they went their own way first in 1990 when they tried to take back British made Kuwait, that belonged to "Iraq". It was mostly the nr 2 whooreee of England Margaret Thatcher that would not stand attacking one of its colonies it made in the 1920, just like it made Porkistan in 1948.

                          So all NATO countries invaded Iraq and weaken it hard, with sanction and loose of 500 000-1 million arab infants.

                          Open access // by Kendal Nezan (Le Monde diplomatique - English edition, March 1998)









                          Ghaddafi was the best friend of EU mainly FRANCE, until it tried to go it own way and sell their oil in gold dinar and make a new currency in Africa to cut the middle parasite US dollars. They got invaded by ALL NATO countries + their allies and their jihadi ground forces.

                          Attacking Syria and getting western made and supported Jihadi/Mujaheeding ISIS/FSA/AL NUSRA etc ground forces to fight for them is mainly a job to weaken Iran and its Hizbollah branch. Because they beat the **** out of the chosen parasites of the world who has been kicked out from countless of countries, empires through out the human history.

                          From the days of Great Egypt civilisation 4000 years ago, Aryan empires and until 70 years ago from Europe one last time. These parasites have been unwanted in 4000 years of human history and now they crying openly about holohoax, openly trying to make the world more globalized, mix raced and trying to force the rest of humanity to accept their parasitic behaviour. Thank God that at least these political correctness and anti Semitic, back argument madness is not spreading to other nations like India, Afghanistan, Iran, China, thats why these parasite trying to undermine BRICS, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

                          I don't like most of mix raced Iranians, but I have a huge respect for them for standing STRONG against most powerful countries since 1979.

                          Pashtuns should learn more about Iran unification
                          I hope Iran and Afghanistan can be close brothering Allies like it was in the past so we can defend and help each others in mutual interest and respectful way. Majority of Pashtuns can basically speak Dari, and the most beautiful part is that no ones outside can speak Pashto that will hold our future forces intact and pure. Its a WIN WIN for both of us.
                          To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
                            Khushal you living in USA, you need to go outside your fantasy world and see how the real worlds works and specially geopolitics. You live in most filthy nation in the world and thinking you do some Gods bidding and will come to heaven? What are you trying to accomplish here on PF, when coming with your US based facts?

                            Toramana is not even close as these dictators. He is not any puppet of any human. We pure Pashtuns only bow to God. And not humans or money like your mullahs and crazy fake muslim islamist are doing right now around the world.

                            Saddam was the best friend of USA/NATO/WEST until they went their own way first in 1990 when they tried to take back British made Kuwait, that belonged to "Iraq". It was mostly the nr 2 whooreee of England Margaret Thatcher that would not stand attacking one of its colonies it made in the 1920, just like it made Porkistan in 1948.

                            So all NATO countries invaded Iraq and weaken it hard, with sanction and loose of 500 000-1 million arab infants.

                            https://mondediplo.com/1998/03/04iraqkn

                            http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

                            http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/htdtisgulfwar.html

                            http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/...e-gassed-iran/


                            Ghaddafi was the best friend of EU mainly FRANCE, until it tried to go it own way and sell their oil in gold dinar and make a new currency in Africa to cut the middle parasite US dollars. They got invaded by ALL NATO countries + their allies and their jihadi ground forces.

                            Attacking Syria and getting western made and supported Jihadi/Mujaheeding ISIS/FSA/AL NUSRA etc ground forces to fight for them is mainly a job to weaken Iran and its Hizbollah branch. Because they beat the **** out of the chosen parasites of the world who has been kicked out from countless of countries, empires through out the human history.

                            From the days of Great Egypt civilisation 4000 years ago, Aryan empires and until 70 years ago from Europe one last time. These parasites have been unwanted in 4000 years of human history and now they crying openly about holohoax, openly trying to make the world more globalized, mix raced and trying to force the rest of humanity to accept their parasitic behaviour. Thank God that at least these political correctness and anti Semitic, back argument madness is not spreading to other nations like India, Afghanistan, Iran, China, thats why these parasite trying to undermine BRICS, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

                            I don't like most of mix raced Iranians, but I have a huge respect for them for standing STRONG against most powerful countries since 1979.

                            Pashtuns should learn more about Iran unification
                            I hope Iran and Afghanistan can be close brothering Allies like it was in the past so we can defend and help each others in mutual interest and respectful way. Majority of Pashtuns can basically speak Dari, and the most beautiful part is that no ones outside can speak Pashto that will hold our future forces intact and pure. Its a WIN WIN for both of us.
                            Iran - the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are Shiite extremists, and twin to the ISIS- Sunni extremists. There is little difference outside of the sectarian one.

                            Were you aware that Iran is a Shiite Islamic theocracy that goes by Sharia? Iran is not some liberal bastion of secularism.
                            "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                            • #15
                              The raving idiot thinks being an incestuous pure race is possible through eugenics. You can't expect him to reason through things.


                              Probably a Tajik Nationalist troll.

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