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    KABUL, AFGHANISTAN — The new leader of the Afghan Taliban faces the twin challenges of bringing together an insurgency that he ran for years under another man's name and uniting a fractured movement that has seen fighters desert for more extreme groups such as the Islamic State. Meanwhile the Afghan government believes it can seize on the Taliban leadership crisis it has created by announcing that Mullah Mohammad Omar has been dead for more than two years to further weaken the insurgency.

    As Afghan officials quietly expressed optimism that peace will eventually prevail, the first fissures began appearing Friday in the Taliban's veneer, when Mullah Omar's son Yacoob said that he and other senior leaders rejected the manner and the result of the election for a new leader.

    "The Afghan government is hoping that in dispelling the myth that Mullah Omar has been making the decisions all these years, that the Taliban will turn in on itself, eat its young and become an irrelevance," said a diplomat in Kabul.

    Without Mullah Omar at the helm, officials and analysts said, the Taliban has lost its ability to compel members into obedience with the religious legitimacy he wielded as "Commander of the Faithful," who wore a cloak said to have belonged to the Prophet Muhammad.

    "The Taliban movement is based on religious, Islamic principles, not on tribal and ethnic principles and as such the decisions of the ruling shuras (councils) should be accepted by all members" as religious edicts, said Wakil Ahmed Muttawhakil, who served as foreign minister in the Taliban's 1996-2001 administration.

    For the past three years, the man just elected to replace Mullah Omar, Mullah Akhtar Mansoor, has purported to be speaking and acting in his name. He has entered into a peace process with Kabul, but he has also ordered battlefield commanders to intensify their war, now nearing its 14th year with the deaths of U.S. and other international forces and Afghan civilians in the tens of thousands. Taliban gunmen have believed themselves to be righteously fighting a jihad, or holy war.

    "When Mullah Omar became the emir, there was a huge gathering in Kandahar, significantly inside Afghanistan, that gave him legitimacy in his claim to be the leader," said an Afghan official. "The leadership of the Afghan Taliban must be inside Afghanistan if they are to have the legitimacy of leadership. How can they claim to be the opposition to the Afghan government and to represent all factions of the organization when they are outside the country?"

    Like the diplomat, he spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to media on the subject.

    Not all within the insurgency's ranks believed the man not seen in public since 2001 was still running the show, and when the dissatisfaction surfaced, the Afghan leadership decided to finally kill the myth. That decision is likely to shake the foundations of the Afghan political landscape, officials, diplomats and analysts said.

    But an equally divided Afghan government needs to take a unified approach to turn the opportunities now available to its advantage, said political analyst Haroun Mir. "The national unity government is fragmented. The Taliban has been shown to be in the same situation. So now who should talk to whom," he said.

    "This is an opportunity for the Afghan government to review its negotiating strategy, to reactivate the High Peace Council with a new structure, making it more independent, with new people and the authority to negotiate on behalf of all Afghans," Mir said, referring to the body charged with bringing the Taliban into a dialogue aimed at ending the war.

    Others said Kabul could also take control of a peace process that has been largely in the hands of the Pakistani authorities, widely believed to support the Afghan Taliban and to have pressured its leaders to deal with the government of President Ashraf Ghani, who has made peace a priority of his presidency. It is widely believed that Mansoor is close to Pakistan and that his actions have reflected the bidding of Islamabad.

    The nascent peace process is now on hold, after the Taliban pulled out of a second round of official, face-to-face talks due to have taken place in Pakistan on Friday.

    The fissures in the insurgency that have become evident in recent days hint at a growing influence of hardliners who might believe their own propaganda that this year's battlefield gains signal victory is close. The election of Sirajuddin Haqqani, a leader of the brutal Haqqani Network who carries a $10 million bounty on his head, as a deputy leader may be designed to lure back disaffected commanders who have declared allegiance to the Islamic State group — which already controls about a third of Iraq and Syria and has been trying to establish a presence in Afghanistan.

    It could also be an attempt to ensure money continues to flow to the Taliban, as the Haqqani Network has wealthy backers at a time of fierce competition for funding among insurgent groups. One Taliban commander who refused to be named because he has no authority to speak publicly for the movement, said the appointment of Mansoor would "help IS recruitment and I'm sure they will do their best to use this situation to the maximum."

    High Peace Council officials said ahead of the slated second round of talks that the Afghan government would be calling for a ceasefire as a show of sincerity from the Taliban. That hope has been shot down, at least for now.

    But as the insurgency publicly fractures, hopes are growing that Kabul's divide-and-conquer strategy will yield a long-term peace dividend.

    "We are optimistic," said the government official.

    Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2015/07/31/...#storylink=cpy
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  • #2
    Days of these scoundrels with the misnomer of Taliban are numbered. These hooligans with the 1400 years old ideology of ignorance have no place in 21st century.

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    • #3


      Dead or alive, Mullah Omar will not matter
      Knowing Omar was dead for two years, Pakistan must now answer some questions.

      The Afghan national unity government "officially" confirmed on Wednesday that the Taliban's spiritual leader, Mullah Omar died "in the Pakistani city of Karachi in April 2013".

      Kabul's announcement of Mullah Omar's death came as the Afghan government held a national security council meeting on the issue after being officially informed by the Pakistani senior military and intelligence officials on the matter.

      The almost two-and-half-year-late announcement of Mullah Omar's death will not be a factor in achieving the long-desired Afghan peace, nor a game changer to end the ongoing war in Afghanistan.

      RELATED: Who was Mullah Omar?

      Mullah Omar did not truly matter for the United States in its war on terror in Afghanistan. He did not lead the Taliban, nor did he have any authority over them.

      Harboured and protected by Pakistan, Mullah Omar was a symbolic asset in the hands of the Pakistani military and intelligence, which under his name, carried out controlled chaos and violence in Afghanistan by its terror group for more than a decade.

      And to our international partners, mainly the US, this harsh reality seemingly was not of any importance.

      Pakistani sanctuary

      In August 2010, then Afghan President Hamid Karzai and US Senator John Kerry, the then chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and current US secretary of state, discussed the whereabouts of the Taliban supreme leader, Mullah Omar, over a dinner in the Afghan presidential palace.

      According to the minutes of the meeting, Kerry told Karzai that the Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Omar was in a safe house in the Pakistani city of Karachi under the strict supervision of the Pakistani military and intelligence.

      Karzai was taken aback when he heard the senior US official confirming Mullah Omar's location to him. Karzai asked why the US had not taken any action in this regard.


      What does death of Mullah Omar mean for Taliban and Afghanistan?
      "The US has put a reward of $10m for any information on his whereabouts to lead to his capture. Innocent Afghans are dying daily in the ongoing US war against the Taliban and yet the supreme leader of the Taliban is under Pakistani military protection in Karachi?" Karzai continued.

      The US senator did not immediately respond to the question.

      "Why don't you ask them to deliver him?" the Afghan president added.

      Kerry had no satisfactory answer.

      He said that Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had given assurances that the Taliban leader was under their supervision in a safe house but they did not want to arrest him in order "to not harm Afghan peace efforts".

      That evening and afterwards, two questions remained unanswered for some Afghan officials: What else did Washington and our Western allies need to have as evidence of Pakistan's long-established double game in the war on terror?

      And, was Pakistan alone in its Taliban game?

      Double standards

      On September 20, 2011, Karzai renewed his concerns in a White House meeting with US President Barack Obama.

      Karzai told Obama that "Mullah Omar has no authority and he is not happy" with the situation surrounding him, indicating that the spiritual leader of Taliban was under the tight grip of the Pakistani military and intelligence.

      Afghan Taliban have been leaderless for many years. Now with the news of their spiritual leader's death, while some may quit the movement and possibly return to normal life, some others may continue to fight under new designs, banners, and flags.



      Karzai asked Obama for clarity on the US position vis-a-vis Pakistan and Islamabad's double standard towards terrorism and its sanctuaries. He emphasised that Afghans wanted "urgent actions against terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan" run and controlled by its military and intelligence.

      On January 21, 2013, the Deputy US Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan David Pearce and the US ambassador to Afghanistan reported to Karzai on the preparations for the opening of an office for the Taliban in Doha, the Qatari capital.

      I documented the conversation during this meeting. Karzai questioned the two US officials about the "certainty" of Mullah Omar's representation in Doha and whether the opening of the office truly had the blessing of the Taliban's leader.

      Karzai informed the US diplomats that a senior Taliban leader of the Quetta Shura - whose name is withheld here - had told his office that "actually, they have not met or seen Mullah Omar for the last 10 years and those in Qatar, including Sayed Tayyeb Agha, are not genuinely representing Mullah Omar".

      As the supreme commander and the spiritual leader, the total absence of Mullah Omar was an issue of concern to other senior Taliban likewise.

      According to the same source, the Quetta Shura was "not fully aware of what was taking place under the name of the Taliban in Qatar".

      Questions that need answers

      To his Western allies, the Afghan president's repeated acknowledgement of Mullah Omar's powerlessness, symbolism, and his mythical existence as the one and only leader of the Afghan Taliban directing the movement and its war against foreign troops in Afghanistan, fell on deaf ears.

      Instead of dealing with the root cause of the problem, the US and NATO forces continue to raid, bomb, and target Afghan villages and towns.

      I am not wrong in saying that Washington never targeted Mullah Omar, nor put pressure on Islamabad to deliver him for justice, after knowing his whereabouts.

      Now, once again, Pakistan has put itself in a difficult position. It has to answer some questions:

      Who has been leading and guiding Taliban's commanders, if their "Amir al-Muminin" died in early 2013?

      Who did, and how were, Mullah Omar's statements and Eid messages issued?

      Who were the Taliban representing in talks with foreign countries outside Pakistan; especially given the fact that their trips were arranged and controlled by the Pakistani intelligence?

      And most importantly, what about the first round of "official talks" between the Afghan delegations and the Taliban on July 7, in Murree-Islamabad?

      As the organiser, facilitator, and controller of the talks, didn't the Pakistani government know about Omar's death only three weeks before?

      Instead of unwisely declaring Afghanistan as the "regional hub" to fight a new terror group, ISIL, Washington and Kabul should put result-oriented pressure on Islamabad.

      RELATED: Pakistan's Taliban dilemma

      Afghan and international media should avoid further using false statements and comments fabricated by the Pakistani intelligence under the name of so-called "Taliban spokespeople".

      Mullah Omar's death will further deepen the already existing split and internal fracturing within the Afghan Taliban.

      The Afghan Taliban have been leaderless for many years. Now with the news of their spiritual leader's death, while some may quit the movement and possibly return to normal life, some others may continue to fight under new designs, banners, and flags.

      The general scene will be of full demonstration by pro-ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence) Taliban, the strategic assets of Pakistan, engaging the naive Afghan national unity government in its quest for peace.

      All this will not bring any good news for Afghanistan.

      Aimal Faizi is an Afghan journalist and former spokesperson for former Afghan President Hamid Karzai from 2011-2014.

      The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Toramana View Post
        http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...112725448.html

        Dead or alive, Mullah Omar will not matter
        Knowing Omar was dead for two years, Pakistan must now answer some questions.

        The Afghan national unity government "officially" confirmed on Wednesday that the Taliban's spiritual leader, Mullah Omar died "in the Pakistani city of Karachi in April 2013".

        Kabul's announcement of Mullah Omar's death came as the Afghan government held a national security council meeting on the issue after being officially informed by the Pakistani senior military and intelligence officials on the matter.

        The almost two-and-half-year-late announcement of Mullah Omar's death will not be a factor in achieving the long-desired Afghan peace, nor a game changer to end the ongoing war in Afghanistan.

        RELATED: Who was Mullah Omar?

        Mullah Omar did not truly matter for the United States in its war on terror in Afghanistan. He did not lead the Taliban, nor did he have any authority over them.

        Harboured and protected by Pakistan, Mullah Omar was a symbolic asset in the hands of the Pakistani military and intelligence, which under his name, carried out controlled chaos and violence in Afghanistan by its terror group for more than a decade.

        And to our international partners, mainly the US, this harsh reality seemingly was not of any importance.

        Pakistani sanctuary

        In August 2010, then Afghan President Hamid Karzai and US Senator John Kerry, the then chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and current US secretary of state, discussed the whereabouts of the Taliban supreme leader, Mullah Omar, over a dinner in the Afghan presidential palace.

        According to the minutes of the meeting, Kerry told Karzai that the Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Omar was in a safe house in the Pakistani city of Karachi under the strict supervision of the Pakistani military and intelligence.

        Karzai was taken aback when he heard the senior US official confirming Mullah Omar's location to him. Karzai asked why the US had not taken any action in this regard.


        What does death of Mullah Omar mean for Taliban and Afghanistan?
        "The US has put a reward of $10m for any information on his whereabouts to lead to his capture. Innocent Afghans are dying daily in the ongoing US war against the Taliban and yet the supreme leader of the Taliban is under Pakistani military protection in Karachi?" Karzai continued.

        The US senator did not immediately respond to the question.

        "Why don't you ask them to deliver him?" the Afghan president added.

        Kerry had no satisfactory answer.

        He said that Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had given assurances that the Taliban leader was under their supervision in a safe house but they did not want to arrest him in order "to not harm Afghan peace efforts".

        That evening and afterwards, two questions remained unanswered for some Afghan officials: What else did Washington and our Western allies need to have as evidence of Pakistan's long-established double game in the war on terror?

        And, was Pakistan alone in its Taliban game?

        Double standards

        On September 20, 2011, Karzai renewed his concerns in a White House meeting with US President Barack Obama.

        Karzai told Obama that "Mullah Omar has no authority and he is not happy" with the situation surrounding him, indicating that the spiritual leader of Taliban was under the tight grip of the Pakistani military and intelligence.

        Afghan Taliban have been leaderless for many years. Now with the news of their spiritual leader's death, while some may quit the movement and possibly return to normal life, some others may continue to fight under new designs, banners, and flags.



        Karzai asked Obama for clarity on the US position vis-a-vis Pakistan and Islamabad's double standard towards terrorism and its sanctuaries. He emphasised that Afghans wanted "urgent actions against terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan" run and controlled by its military and intelligence.

        On January 21, 2013, the Deputy US Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan David Pearce and the US ambassador to Afghanistan reported to Karzai on the preparations for the opening of an office for the Taliban in Doha, the Qatari capital.

        I documented the conversation during this meeting. Karzai questioned the two US officials about the "certainty" of Mullah Omar's representation in Doha and whether the opening of the office truly had the blessing of the Taliban's leader.

        Karzai informed the US diplomats that a senior Taliban leader of the Quetta Shura - whose name is withheld here - had told his office that "actually, they have not met or seen Mullah Omar for the last 10 years and those in Qatar, including Sayed Tayyeb Agha, are not genuinely representing Mullah Omar".

        As the supreme commander and the spiritual leader, the total absence of Mullah Omar was an issue of concern to other senior Taliban likewise.

        According to the same source, the Quetta Shura was "not fully aware of what was taking place under the name of the Taliban in Qatar".

        Questions that need answers

        To his Western allies, the Afghan president's repeated acknowledgement of Mullah Omar's powerlessness, symbolism, and his mythical existence as the one and only leader of the Afghan Taliban directing the movement and its war against foreign troops in Afghanistan, fell on deaf ears.

        Instead of dealing with the root cause of the problem, the US and NATO forces continue to raid, bomb, and target Afghan villages and towns.

        I am not wrong in saying that Washington never targeted Mullah Omar, nor put pressure on Islamabad to deliver him for justice, after knowing his whereabouts.

        Now, once again, Pakistan has put itself in a difficult position. It has to answer some questions:

        Who has been leading and guiding Taliban's commanders, if their "Amir al-Muminin" died in early 2013?

        Who did, and how were, Mullah Omar's statements and Eid messages issued?

        Who were the Taliban representing in talks with foreign countries outside Pakistan; especially given the fact that their trips were arranged and controlled by the Pakistani intelligence?

        And most importantly, what about the first round of "official talks" between the Afghan delegations and the Taliban on July 7, in Murree-Islamabad?

        As the organiser, facilitator, and controller of the talks, didn't the Pakistani government know about Omar's death only three weeks before?

        Instead of unwisely declaring Afghanistan as the "regional hub" to fight a new terror group, ISIL, Washington and Kabul should put result-oriented pressure on Islamabad.

        RELATED: Pakistan's Taliban dilemma

        Afghan and international media should avoid further using false statements and comments fabricated by the Pakistani intelligence under the name of so-called "Taliban spokespeople".

        Mullah Omar's death will further deepen the already existing split and internal fracturing within the Afghan Taliban.

        The Afghan Taliban have been leaderless for many years. Now with the news of their spiritual leader's death, while some may quit the movement and possibly return to normal life, some others may continue to fight under new designs, banners, and flags.

        The general scene will be of full demonstration by pro-ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence) Taliban, the strategic assets of Pakistan, engaging the naive Afghan national unity government in its quest for peace.

        All this will not bring any good news for Afghanistan.

        Aimal Faizi is an Afghan journalist and former spokesperson for former Afghan President Hamid Karzai from 2011-2014.

        The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

        Political Islam has always been in the service of west…not just the creation of Mujahdeen ----According to national security advisor Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan throw their proxies Pakistan precedes the 1979 Soviet invasion. CIA/MI5 paying Imam Khomayni monthly allowances while he was in exile, creation of Hamas by Zionist region, pro-islamist view of Zionists scholars like Bernard Lewis in 50s to 80s and even the conference in 50s here in US where founder of Islamic brotherhood had attended…creation of cancer in region “Islamic” Pakistan based on narrow minded and radical “two nation theory” which uphold religion as base for identity. Even in 19th century… our own good Syed Afghani was actively supported by British, creation of Doeband School under noise of British Raj After the 1857 revolt.
        Devil’s Game by Robert Dreyfuss and Treacherous Alliance by Trita Parsi have more examples.
        ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
        نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

        چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
        نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

        سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
        بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

        چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
        يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

        سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
        په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

        ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
        اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Azmal View Post
          Political Islam has always been in the service of west…not just the creation of Mujahdeen ----According to national security advisor Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan throw their proxies Pakistan precedes the 1979 Soviet invasion. CIA/MI5 paying Imam Khomayni monthly allowances while he was in exile, creation of Hamas by Zionist region, pro-islamist view of Zionists scholars like Bernard Lewis in 50s to 80s and even the conference in 50s here in US where founder of Islamic brotherhood had attended…creation of cancer in region “Islamic” Pakistan based on narrow minded and radical “two nation theory” which uphold religion as base for identity. Even in 19th century… our own good Syed Afghani was actively supported by British, creation of Doeband School under noise of British Raj After the 1857 revolt.
          Devil’s Game by Robert Dreyfuss and Treacherous Alliance by Trita Parsi have more examples.

          Oh really Slopey D? So in your version of events, the former Shah of Iran Pehlavi played what role then? Rebel against the West? What kind of retarded history are you concocting? Operation Ajax which Central Intelligence finally admitted to DEPOSED Mossadegh and implanted the Shah of Iran against whom Khomeini would eventually lead the revolution.

          Sixty years after the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, a declassified CIA document acknowledges the agency was involved in the 1953 coup.


          Shortly after Mossadegh's election, the CIA began to plan his overthrow. The goal of the coup was to elevate the strength of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and appoint a new prime minister -- Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi.
          See how that lobotomy affected your retarded brain? You see things in reverse so as to somehow prove that any Muslim anywhere that takes up a banner is somehow ipso facto doing what you do day in and out, which is bending over and dilating your rectum to be the receiver of Uncle Sam's "largesse."

          So tell us Daruish, in your idiot mind was Pehlavi somehow a patriot hero countered by the haqqani-esque Khomeini? Despite the incontrovertible proof that Savaak was trained by both Mossad and CIA openly?
          "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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          • #6
            Mulla Omar , Haqqani and Mansoor have no relevance

            The war in Afghanistan is not about whether Mulla Omar lives or dies , Haqqani is there or not or who leads Taliban.

            The Afghan Taliban are a Pakistani state proxy simply put .

            It is a war of proxies where death of a proxy leader is like death of a cockcroach , who breed fast and are all similar looking and equally ugly and full of germs !

            It means nothing .

            Capacity building of all these clowns was done by the USA .

            In 1950s USA created the Pakistani Special Services Group (SSG) with a US nucleus of special forces officers.The main mission was sabotage at state level and disruption.

            SSG officers trained at Fort Bragg and Benning and various US institutions.

            In turn SSG officers trained Afghan proxies in Afghan war.

            My relative who trained at Fort Bragg in 1969 trained all major proxies strating from massoud , hikmatyar , rabbani , down to OBL and Haqqani and Mulla Omar

            So similarity in tactics of US special forces and Taliban is remarkable as Taliban were trained by Pakistani special forces who trained at Fort Bragg.The Pakistani SSG was entirely based on US special forces model.

            Now comes the present part .

            Example- Dyncorps Blast of 2004

            In mid 2004 I heard a sharp and very loud blast as I sat in my bedroom in Street Ten Wazeer Akbar Khan , Kabul about 200 metres from gate of Kabul compound.

            A house in Shahr e Nau housing Dyn Corps had been attacked by a VBIED explosive in massive quantity.

            It turned out as following :---


            DYNCORPS WAS SEEN BY PAKISTANI STATE AS A US PROXY CONTRACTOR WORKING AGAINST PAKISTANI STATE INTERESTS IN PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTANS BORDERS AREA.
            SO HAQQANI A THIRD RATE PAKISTANI PROXY WAS TASKED TO TEACH DYNCORPS A LESSON.
            THUS THE DYNCORPS BLAST OF MID 2004.
            DYNCORPS WAS SEEN BY PAKISTANIS AS A CIA ENTITY RENAMED AS DYNCORPS. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PERCEPTION . THIS MAY NOT MEAN AT ALL THAT I THINK THAT DYNCORPS WAS CIA.
            SO THIS IS A SMALL EXAMPLE OF HOW PROXIES FIGHT.
            HAQQANI

            I PERSONALLY KNEW THE ISI OFFICER WHO TRAINED HAQQANI IN EARLY 1980S.
            COLONEL QASIM DESCRIBED HAQQANI AS A STINKING NON ENTITY VILLAGE MULLAH WHOW AS PICKED UP BY ISI AS ( HE WAS A ZADRAN TRIBE WHICH IS FOUND ON BOTH SIDES OF BORDER IN KHOST AREA) .
            FROM BEING NOBBODY HAQQANI IS TODAY A LEGEND . BUT ESSENTIALLY HE IS A PROXY.
            MULLA OMAR
            MULLA OMAR WAS TREATED BY A FRIEND WHO WAS A PAKISTANI MILITARY EYE SPECIALIST AT THE MILITARY HOSPITAL IN QUETTA.
            MULLA OMAR WAS PICKED AS A PROXY LEADER SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS A NOBODY AND WAS PLIABLE. ONE OF THOUSANDS OF SMALL TIME AFGHAN LEADERS.
            ANALYSIS

            AFGHAN WAR IS A PROXY WAR BEING WAGED BY THREE DIFFERENT PROXIES (1) PAKISTANI PROXIES (2) RUSSIAN PROXIES (3) IRANIAN PROXIES. INDIA SUPPLEMENTS RUSSIAN AND IRANIAN PROXIES. CHINA AND SAUDI ARAB SUPPLEMENTS PAKISTANI PROXIES
            DE JURE AFGHAN STATE IS REPRESENTED BY US PROXIES.
            US STRATEGIC AIM APPEARS TO BE TO RETAIN BASES WHICH CAN HELP THE US ATTACK CHINESE AND RUSSIAN STRATEGIC INTERESTS IN CENTRAL ASIA , SINGKIANG AND PAKISTAN.
            ELIMINATION OF TALIBAN IS NOT A US STRATEGIC AIM AND NEVER WAS.
            NARCOTICS FORM AN IMPORTANT PART OF US REVENUE SUPPLEMENTING EFFORTS AS WELL AS PAKISTANI AND RUSSIAN PROXIES FINANCES.
            AS LONG AS US PRESENCE IS THERE , PAKISTANI PROXIES CANNOT DOMINATE AFGHANISTAN.
            INDIAN AND IRANIAN FACTOR IS PRESENTLY SUBSIDIARY AS MAIN GAME PLAYERS ARE US , RUSSIA , CHINA AND PAKISTAN.
            SO LIFE OF DEATH OF MULLA OMAR OR HAQQANI ARE LIKE LIFE AND DEATH OF A COCKROACH.


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            • #7
              Toramana is ironically buying into the Pakistani narrative that they are pulling all the strings, like the Pakistanis believe they are the heirs of the Mughal empire.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                Oh really Slopey D? So in your version of events, the former Shah of Iran Pehlavi played what role then? Rebel against the West? What kind of retarded history are you concocting? Operation Ajax which Central Intelligence finally admitted to DEPOSED Mossadegh and implanted the Shah of Iran against whom Khomeini would eventually lead the revolution.

                http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politi...ran-1953-coup/



                See how that lobotomy affected your retarded brain? You see things in reverse so as to somehow prove that any Muslim anywhere that takes up a banner is somehow ipso facto doing what you do day in and out, which is bending over and dilating your rectum to be the receiver of Uncle Sam's "largesse."

                So tell us Daruish, in your idiot mind was Pehlavi somehow a patriot hero countered by the haqqani-esque Khomeini? Despite the incontrovertible proof that Savaak was trained by both Mossad and CIA openly?

                Wazeri Doll is lying to you about sloppy D---on contrite she calls me stronghorn..”my bull” her own words. Read the books I posted you might learn something. The radical Islamic are in fact the products of west, created by the west to cut across the socialist and communist movements of the region. Khoymani rose to power had more to do with influence communist party Toda was gaining among educated Irani. Thanks to Shah and his illiteracy policy more than 90% of Iranians become literate. In fact the revolution against Shah was stage by Toda which later Islamist with help of Farangi Hijacked— strategy of Green belt against red bears.

                Here are some facts about Khomeini

                http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/08/aya...ik-kaylan.html
                ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                  Wazeri Doll is lying to you about sloppy D---on contrite she calls me stronghorn..”my bull” her own words. Read the books I posted you might learn something. The radical Islamic are in fact the products of west, created by the west to cut across the socialist and communist movements of the region. Khoymani rose to power had more to do with influence communist party Toda was gaining among educated Irani. Thanks to Shah and his illiteracy policy more than 90% of Iranians become literate. In fact the revolution against Shah was stage by Toda which later Islamist with help of Farangi Hijacked— strategy of Green belt against red bears.

                  Here are some facts about Khomeini

                  http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/08/aya...ik-kaylan.html
                  Dumb sh-it Khomeini is your brother I could care less about him being a hero or a villian. I could care less for Khomeini Khamanei etc etc. Tudi and the other communists joined a faction of the revolution alongside of the former Mossadegh supporters and a plethora of others that had variant beliefs.

                  As we stated Operation Ajax was owned Lock Stock and Barrell by Kermit Roosevelt, Alan Dulles, and their British counterparts to overthrow the liberal and more secular leaning Mossadegh. This is historical fact that everyone on both sides of the Atlantic agree on.

                  Your persiofascist roots and underpants are showing openly now looool. So the fool that had the most expensive dinner in the last century to celebrate an unproven historical relic



                  No no Daruish, you are merely in love with Pehlavi because he he also commemorated your fire jumping monkey ancestors in this pseudo narrative most expensive party in history:



                  What kind of retarded name was that for the get together? The 2500 year celebration of the Persian Empire? It was no longer and is no longer an empire.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                    [FONT=Verdana]Wazeri Doll is lying to you about sloppy D---on contrite she calls me stronghorn..”my bull” her own words.
                    Its S-L-O-P-E-Y D you illiterate FOB f-uck. LOOOL. As in the sloped shape of your head. It is interesting though that to compensate for the premature ejaculation time that Saleh and your shamali and hazagee laugh at you about after getting serviced by you you decided to overcompensate by calling yourself "staghorn."

                    And its not CONTRITE - which is an synonym of "sorry" you barely functional hooked on phonics dyslexic! LOOOOL. Its on the CONTRARY.

                    damn Daruish, you call spaay a spaag and can't even spell the language of your masters with finesse or communicate in it. Yet you want to nation build and rule Afghanistan?

                    You cannot even rule your own parents basement that you live out of with that dog that licks peanut butter off your crotch that you call "your wife" yet you somehow think you are the thinker to reform and take Afghanistan into the next century?

                    Dam-n you are one stupid d-umb deluded d-umsh-it twat.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                      Dumb sh-it Khomeini is your brother I could care less about him being a hero or a villian. I could care less for Khomeini Khamanei etc etc. Tudi and the other communists joined a faction of the revolution alongside of the former Mossadegh supporters and a plethora of others that had variant beliefs.

                      As we stated Operation Ajax was owned Lock Stock and Barrell by Kermit Roosevelt, Alan Dulles, and their British counterparts to overthrow the liberal and more secular leaning Mossadegh. This is historical fact that everyone on both sides of the Atlantic agree on.

                      Your persiofascist roots and underpants are showing openly now looool. So the fool that had the most expensive dinner in the last century to celebrate an unproven historical relic

                      http://www.ealimentarium.ch/en/magaz...ive-party-ever

                      No no Daruish, you are merely in love with Pehlavi because he he also commemorated your fire jumping monkey ancestors in this pseudo narrative most expensive party in history:

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,500_...Persian_Empire

                      What kind of retarded name was that for the get together? The 2500 year celebration of the Persian Empire? It was no longer and is no longer an empire.

                      You brought Khomeini up and yet you care less? Maybe if you stop taking discussion personal you might learn something free of charge and no need to be thanking me…I help people for kicks.
                      ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                      نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                      چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                      نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                      سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                      بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                      چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                      يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                      سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                      په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                      ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                      اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                        You brought Khomeini up and yet you care less? Maybe if you stop taking discussion personal you might learn something free of charge and no need to be thanking me…I help people for kicks.
                        No I bought up mossadegh and Ajax as laying the ground work for Khomeini and has having the intention to install Pahlavi - but I guess your dyslexia got the better of you.

                        Your argument is that Khomeini was on the American payroll. I am asking you to explain the historically unassailable fact that Pehlavi was installed with open certitude with a joint operation by London and Washington (first ever international operation under Kermit Roosevelt)

                        Sixty years after the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, a declassified CIA document acknowledges the agency was involved in the 1953 coup.


                        You are making it seem as if Pahlavi was some amazing person that got overturned by the giant world wide Islamic conspiracy when in fact the very road to Khomeini was through Ajax.

                        I guess things that put a dent in your persiofascist jargon that somehow elevates Pahlavi to a nonexistent descendency from Cyrus himself end up making you uncomfortable the way that the touch of a woman does in contrast to how the touch of men makes you tingle. LOL
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                          No I bought up mossadegh and Ajax as laying the ground work for Khomeini and has having the intention to install Pahlavi - but I guess your dyslexia got the better of you.

                          Your argument is that Khomeini was on the American payroll. I am asking you to explain the historically unassailable fact that Pehlavi was installed with open certitude with a joint operation by London and Washington (first ever international operation under Kermit Roosevelt)

                          http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politi...ran-1953-coup/

                          You are making it seem as if Pahlavi was some amazing person that got overturned by the giant world wide Islamic conspiracy when in fact the very road to Khomeini was through Ajax.

                          I guess things that put a dent in your persiofascist jargon that somehow elevates Pahlavi to a nonexistent descendency from Cyrus himself end up making you uncomfortable the way that the touch of a woman does in contrast to how the touch of men makes you tingle. LOL

                          I don’t mind educating you…how can I say no to hubby of my beloved Wazeri doll? Ahahah lol After CIA orchestrated overthrow of Mossadeq and Shah was reinstalled, the popularity and authority of shah's had diminished….to fill the gap the communist Toda party step in…Shah try to balance it by strengthen his relationship with Shia Mullahs and took tentative steps to emphasize the importance of Shiite Muslims thought to Iran. He made public visit to Shiism religions sites, made Hajj and even agree with Mullah to include more religious teaching in public schools and more tightly control the movies and tv shows…he did his best to show he was a true Shia believer….with leftist leaning Shyed Doud taking power in Afghanistan—the strategy green belt facing red bear was utilized.

                          Just like Karzai shah was also growing more independent…

                          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=823_1321433140
                          ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                          نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                          چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                          نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                          سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                          بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                          چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                          يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                          سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                          په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                          ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                          اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                            I don’t mind educating you…

                            LOOOOOL. An illiterate dum-b sh-it who somehow knows everything about a girl named Sami Durrani and stalks her on the net is going to educate me? This should be comical.

                            how can I say no to hubby of my beloved Wazeri doll?

                            There is that make believe element and magical thinking again. You are playing too much Dungeons and Dragons again.

                            Ahahah lol After CIA orchestrated overthrow of Mossadeq and Shah was reinstalled, the popularity and authority of shah's had diminished….to fill the gap the communist Toda party step in…Shah try to balance it by strengthen his relationship with Shia Mullahs and took tentative steps to emphasize the importance of Shiite Muslims thought to Iran.

                            Howso? By Having Savak imprison and torture them and to send others into exile? Are you really this retarderd and into conspiracy theories? And then for that matter, why would the US, in the throes of the Saudi Oil Crisis under Shah Faisal, who had a few years ago embargoed them for their support of Israel, turn on the very stooge that was wheeling and dealing with them? Your theories are nonsensical and steeped in a retarded persiocentric monkey approach to somehow validate your deep disdain for Islam as an "Arab Imperialism" hoisted on your even more monkeyish ancestors, Daruish.

                            He made public visit to Shiism religions sites, made Hajj and even agree with Mullah to include more religious teaching in public schools and more tightly control the movies and tv shows…he did his best to show he was a true Shia believer….with leftist leaning Shyed Doud taking power in Afghanistan—the strategy green belt facing red bear was utilized.

                            Dont be an ignoramus. Khomeini tried to spread his revolution to the surrounding countries where by then many a stooge was in the pocket of the US and Britain and sending tons of money to the subcontinent to "face the red bear." Are you really this much a persiofascist that you cannot admit that the Shah screwed up hard and was an installed mental retard at your level?



                            Just like Karzai shah was also growing more independent…

                            Independent in self preservation, throwing lavish parties, and retardedness, but not truly independent.


                            http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=823_1321433140

                            The proof is in practicality Daruish, you dum-b sh-it, Iran has had embargoes, its interests antagonized recently and in the past 2 decades with secret deals (e.g. Iran Contra) between certain subgroups in the US government .. but for the most part by every practical effort the Iranian revolution spread across the spectrum of political parties and religious groupings since Savak was well known for burning "the flutes" of their victims due to their sadistic thought processes (something I think you would be very much like if you were ever given an iota of power).
                            Give it a rest Daruish, your fire jumping Ahura Mazda worshipping monkey predecessors were beat by the religion out of Mecca because your theoretical , and I stress theoretical, ancestors were decadent and effeminate - unable to do anything but act like licentious mental retards in a decaying empire.
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