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    The armed uprising in Syria, with the goal of changing the regime, has given birth to organizations that are threatening the entire population of the region, but Turkey is continuing on its way in total disregard for the perils of "Pakistanization."

    As Turkey was discussing the training and equipping of Syrian opposition militants in Turkey, Pakistan recalled its own painful experiences.

    In Islamabad, Al-Monitor asked Mushahid Hussein, the chairman of the Pakistani Senate's Defense Committee, about his country’s role in Afghanistan and in creating the Taliban and how he sees Turkey’s involvement in Syria.

    Mushahid Hussein, well known for his academic work on international relations and his rich journalism experience, said he had reminded Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu while he was visiting Islamabad about “Pakistanization syndrome.” Hussein added, "I warned Davutoglu when he was here, ‘You are repeating in Syria the mistakes we made in Afghanistan. Organizations you support now will turn against you.’ Pakistan was wrong in becoming party to the war in Afghanistan and was wrong in supporting the Taliban. We are now paying the costs of these mistakes."

    No one took Pakistan’s warning seriously. Turkey's persisting with the train-and-equip program that will produce nothing but permanent armed groups shows that Turkey still does not intend to learn from the lessons of Pakistan.

    Turkish and American officials are involved in intensive final preparations for the training to be given at Kaman, Kirsehir. On March 11, US CENTCOM Commander Gen. Lloyd Austin visited the training base, followed by visits to Ankara by retired Gen. John Allen, the special envoy of US President Barack Obama to the global coalition against the Islamic State (IS), and Brett McGurk, deputy undersecretary of the US State Department. Their meetings in Ankara focused on the train-and-equip program and Turkey’s contribution to the anti-IS operations. Reports say the program that will last three years will train 1,500-2,000 fighters.

    Reading between the lines of the raging debate, it's easy to get the sense is that the idea behind the anti-IS program is to prevent the Damascus regime from taking over territory to be abandoned by IS. But it must also be considered how the region is to survive with so many armed organizations roaming around. Recalling the experience of Pakistan in such misguided adventures may provide Turkey with a guiding light.

    You don’t have to walk the sensationally rough terrain of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or North Waziristan on the Afghanistan border. A visit to an Islamabad bookshop, where hundreds of books on Pakistan’s impasse are available, may be enough.

    There are parallels between the process that drew Pakistan to Afghanistan and the motives that dragged Turkey into the Syrian quagmire: expanding spheres of influence and ambitions to become a regional power. There is not much difference between the ambitions of President Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, who dreamed of expanding Pakistan’s sphere of influence first to Afghanistan and then to Asia, and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who wanted to pray in Damascus' Emeviye Mosque and become caliph there.

    A short reminder is in order here. In 1979, Pakistan, which, together with the CIA, organized the resistance against the invading Russian army, opened its borders to millions of Afghan refugees. Those refugees provided a ready pool of manpower for the anti-Soviet struggle. Fighters, particularly Pashtuns, were also recruited from religious seminaries in Pakistan.

    The CIA and Pakistani intelligence services trained about 80,000 fighters in a $2 billion-$3 billion train-and-equip program. In 1989, after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, it was time to restore order to the country. When Pakistan’s trusted man in Afghanistan, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the leader of Hezb-i-Islami, could not consolidate his rule in Kabul, the Taliban was created. Students who were studying at Deobendi fought for two years at Pakistan’s guidance to eliminate other groups and capture Kabul in 1996. According to confidential documents of the US State Department, the Pakistani intelligence services continued with their support of ammunition, fuel and food to the Taliban after the group took over Kabul in 1996. After the 9/11 attacks against the United States, Pakistan had to readjust its relations with the Taliban, which then turned its guns on Pakistan. Taliban leaders who were toppled by the US intervention in 2001 settled down in north Pakistan’s Waziristan region, leading to the emergence of local Taliban groups. About 30 organizations that settled along the "Jihadist Highway" in 2007 came together to establish the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) under Baitullah Mehsud and quickly became Pakistan's biggest threat. Pakistanis, with their distinction between "good" and "bad" terrorists, began fighting TTP while continuing to work with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan’s ambassador in Islamabad, Canan Musazay, told Al-Monitor at the Think Tanks Forum of the Islamic Countries, organized by the Turkish Asian Center for Strategic Studies, that Pakistan was still making the "good terrorist-bad terrorist" distinction, and that whether Turkey was still supporting extremism-inclined groups is also a topic of debate.

    What kinds of risks are awaiting Turkey while it supports a military uprising and armed groups in its neighbor? Tahir Ahmad, a researcher with The Centre for Pakistan and Gulf Studies, made a comparison between Pakistan and Turkey, telling Al-Monitor, "There are stark similarities between these two cases. The groups trained are religious bigots, which would backfire as they want their own brand of Sharia-based governance and they reject democracy and any alliance with the Western countries or secular trends. The country is geographically contiguous. Proxy warfare can be fought only by ethnic or independence movements, not in this kind of religious warfare. Second, it will create indigenous support for such kinds of extremist groups, which can demand indigenous reforms and would create a security issue. Third, the humanitarian issue, in terms of refugees and sectarian conflicts that emerge from these conflicts, are more dangerous than the external threat. In Turkey, it can also be intra-religious clashes. Instead of going into a war, Turkey should play a diplomatic role. It is the best time for diplomacy and leadership, not proxy warfare."

    In Turkey, our Islamic mindset is open to treating the war in our neighbor as jihad. We are now seeing the beginnings of a tragic Deobendi-esque transition from Sufism to radicalism, and so are not surprised to hear of hundreds of Turkish citizens joining IS and Jabhat al-Nusra.

    While Pakistan could not control its border regions and saw them become a jihad highway, now Turkey cannot control its porous border, where opposition forces cross it freely.

    All these symptoms point to Turkey’s subscription to a scenario of Pakistanization, making the warnings of Hussein, who wants nothing but friendship with Turkey, are extremely important.

    The chairman of the Pakistani Senate's Defense Committee has cautioned that Turkey is repeating in Syria Pakistan's missteps in Afghanistan.
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    Pakistan and Turkey are different. Pakistan supported the Taliban while at the same time supported the people the taliban were fighting which put them in a position of hypocrisy which is why the militants turned their guns on the hypocrite.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by khushal View Post
      Pakistan and Turkey are different. Pakistan supported the Taliban while at the same time supported the people the taliban were fighting which put them in a position of hypocrisy which is why the militants turned their guns on the hypocrite.

      hahha WHAT? how is porkis and turk-mongol or arab saudis different? :D

      They advocate false Islam and purely terrorists and yet have the biggest ***** houses and ****s in their countries.

      Learn the difference ITS ABOUT geopolitics. Turk-Mongol and their allies Israel/USA/NATO/Saudi Arabia uses ISIS, AL nusra, FSA against Syria and Lebanon, Iraq to weaken the mighty Iran.

      They did the same in Afghanistan 1979 and Libya 2010-2011, supporting porki Mujhaheding, and Iran supported their hazara shiits to weaken further mighty noble Pashtuns.

      Same thing porkis and saudis uses Taliban, Mujaheeding to hold Afghanistan progress because Pashtuns united will take back its half of their noble lands. and porkistan and its elite will die and it will be porki 1948-2015 Rest in hell!

      Then US parasite will have less US bases in central Asia surrounding China, India, Iran and Russia.
      To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        Pakistan and Turkey are different. Pakistan supported the Taliban while at the same time supported the people the taliban were fighting which put them in a position of hypocrisy which is why the militants turned their guns on the hypocrite.
        Bold Part=Who?
        "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
          hahha WHAT? how is porkis and turk-mongol or arab saudis different? :D

          They advocate false Islam and purely terrorists and yet have the biggest ***** houses and ****s in their countries.

          Learn the difference ITS ABOUT geopolitics. Turk-Mongol and their allies Israel/USA/NATO/Saudi Arabia uses ISIS, AL nusra, FSA against Syria and Lebanon, Iraq to weaken the mighty Iran.

          They did the same in Afghanistan 1979 and Libya 2010-2011, supporting porki Mujhaheding, and Iran supported their hazara shiits to weaken further mighty noble Pashtuns.

          Same thing porkis and saudis uses Taliban, Mujaheeding to hold Afghanistan progress because Pashtuns united will take back its half of their noble lands. and porkistan and its elite will die and it will be porki 1948-2015 Rest in hell!

          Then US parasite will have less US bases in central Asia surrounding China, India, Iran and Russia.

          Your daddy shia country Iran is the biggest supporter of Terroryoist groups in Middle east and now expanding it even into Pakistan and possibly india in future.

          Mighty Iran? why you parsiband afghan are so after iran?you should know that hazara or parsiband like you are not even considered humans in iran.

          Iran discrimination against parsiband like you also include not allowed to study along with other iranian in a public education institute if having refugee status.

          Afghanistan trade through iran is more costly because unlike Pakistan,they don't provide free access of their ports to afghanistan goods.
          "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
            Bold Part=Who?
            Who were the Taliban fighting in Afghanistan?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
              hahha WHAT? how is porkis and turk-mongol or arab saudis different? :D

              They advocate false Islam and purely terrorists and yet have the biggest ***** houses and ****s in their countries.

              Learn the difference ITS ABOUT geopolitics. Turk-Mongol and their allies Israel/USA/NATO/Saudi Arabia uses ISIS, AL nusra, FSA against Syria and Lebanon, Iraq to weaken the mighty Iran.

              They did the same in Afghanistan 1979 and Libya 2010-2011, supporting porki Mujhaheding, and Iran supported their hazara shiits to weaken further mighty noble Pashtuns.

              Same thing porkis and saudis uses Taliban, Mujaheeding to hold Afghanistan progress because Pashtuns united will take back its half of their noble lands. and porkistan and its elite will die and it will be porki 1948-2015 Rest in hell!

              Then US parasite will have less US bases in central Asia surrounding China, India, Iran and Russia.
              Thats just blabbering. You have no source to back it up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                Your daddy shia country Iran is the biggest supporter of Terroryoist groups in Middle east and now expanding it even into Pakistan and possibly india in future.

                Mighty Iran? why you parsiband afghan are so after iran?you should know that hazara or parsiband like you are not even considered humans in iran.

                Iran discrimination against parsiband like you also include not allowed to study along with other iranian in a public education institute if having refugee status.

                Afghanistan trade through iran is more costly because unlike Pakistan,they don't provide free access of their ports to afghanistan goods.
                HAhaha are you back koni bazingaar? Didn't you get banned for to much punjabi/english propaganda against Pashtuns and Waziris?

                Didn't I tell you to stfu little low life subhuman shhiitt face punjabi mix raced harami?

                Who gives a **** about how fagggot, half arab mix raced Iranians and their views on pure Pashtuns, most refugees are not even pure Pashtuns in Iran! Well I understand why they treat hazaras, I would treat hazaras the same way. They say after living on Pashtun lands for 800 years, they want to make a new country. HAHAH!

                But I know what you mean, we should treat them as my Pashtun noble ancestors but, the thing is I would not do their mistake. We will take care of those who doesn't belong in our soil in the mean time, but not by killing them or so. We can use them for other purposes.

                Its about business to have good relations with both Iran and porkis and future for Pashtun nobility. To hell with both porki and Iranian filthy mix races, its about money and power we talk here. The elites know this and people like you on low scale are meaningless and doesn't know how business works.

                You think we don't have a plan for taking care of people like you in the future? Go back to punjab province you little harami half blooded kid.

                Anyway, if not banned ignored then. Bye little gayyy guy who had orgasm feelings towards me.
                To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  Thats just blabbering. You have no source to back it up.
                  USA and its Syrian FSA/ALNUSRA AKA ISIS rebels



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                  Aka proxy war against Syria = war against Iran



                  Saudi Arabia links. I mean I don't even need to link you what US/Israel backed Arabs do in the region seriously.

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                  Iran funds and helps shia in Afghanistan is nothing NEW!







                  USA and their allies helped Mujhaeeding in Afghanistan against Socialist government and proxy against Soviet.



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                  What did I miss here? :D

                  Please stop watching the Kardashian and come to the reality!
                  To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by khushal View Post
                    Thats just blabbering. You have no source to back it up.
                    Oh yes. I forgot US bases in central ASIA AGAINST PURE PASHTUNS, IRAN, CHINA, RUSSIA, India.

                    https://www.google.se/search?q=US+ba...dM4nR1IqNqY%3D
                    Last edited by Loy Afghanistan; 07-29-2015, 10:28 AM.
                    To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
                      Oh yes. I forgot US bases in central ASIA AGAINST IRAN, CHINA, RUSSIA, India.

                      https://www.google.se/search?q=US+ba...dM4nR1IqNqY%3D

                      To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                      • #12
                        None of your sources mention anything about how turkey and paksitan are the same besides the fact that each country's government is working for what they perceive as their own interests.

                        When I say their own interests, I mean the governments own interests and not the people's interests.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by khushal View Post
                          None of your sources mention anything about how turkey and paksitan are the same besides the fact that each country's government is working for what they perceive as their own interests.

                          When I say their own interests, I mean the governments own interests and not the people's interests.
                          Well they use the same dirty tactics. Through proxies and lies and uses Islam as a front cause. I mean people like these savages destroy the name of Islam and the religion. But majority of Muslims are dumb to understand that. If majority of Muslims had some knowledge they would destroy enemies of Islam like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Porkistan and other puppet states.

                          I thought that you were after that? Otherwise there is nothing common with porkis and turkish-mongols rather they are not a huge friend of Pashtun people.


                          But the rest I back it up with sources and don't try to hide your American brain filled with kardashian stuff from me next time wroora.
                          To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                          • #14
                            Every nation does that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by khushal View Post
                              Every nation does that.
                              SO every nation uses Islam as proxy against other countries? And destroys the name of Islam with their masters?

                              You are now lying to me. I only see western countries and their slaves backing up wahabi Islam against INNOCENT INDEPENDENCE Muslims. UK used Islam to divide India 1948 and created their puppet state porkistan. As before US/EU/Saudi Arabs, Porkis etc used false wahabi Islam to wage war in Afghanistan in 1979 and letting both foreigner jihadist arabs, porkis to kill pure INNOCENT Pashtuns. US used Iraq against Iran in 1979 as well, because to attack Iran's Islamic revolution. US used 9/11 "Islam terrorism" as a way to justify their barbaric invasion on Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq 2003. They used Islamist wahabis mujaheddign as ground force against Ghaddafi and richest country in Africa, Libya in 2010-11 and US+NATO used their air force to support these lunatics.

                              USA + their allies Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar helped to created FSA/AL Nusra/ISIS against Syria, Lebanon, Kurds and Iraq right now. What they do is have an excuses to bomb inside Syria and their targeting most of Syrian infrastructure. Israel has bombed Syria military university countless time, assassinated Muslim scientist in Iran.

                              So its its not the other way around. Stop lying that every country uses Islam to wage war and destroying its name. You defend those who destroys the name of Islam everyday. Its in your precious country that they insult Islam every single day because they think they are better than Muslims.

                              I want to get rid of these people that lurks in Pashtuns soil, who is helping foreigners to kill MY pure Pashtun family. These half arabs/turks/mongols and our own brainwashed poor souls, and other greedy traitors ****. You are not so much different from these people I talk about. You live in USA aka JEWSA the most filthy pig state on this planet and have the nerve to come here and LIE when all facts are against you. I hope when their economy collapses you too perish with them. Don't try to move back to Afghanistan/Pashtunistan because we don't need false Pashtuns on our new future and holy Pashtunistan.

                              I thought you was a defender of Islam. Seems that americandream Kardashians is way better for you.
                              Last edited by Loy Afghanistan; 07-30-2015, 09:52 AM.
                              To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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