where did taliban went after Muree talks?

[marwat]

guess where did taliban went after Muree talks. they were saying they are not going to talk to puppet kabul regime, but obviously they know who is the boss.

the barakzaiabdali duzmar ao da khushal ao da manzaree kaka kho ba wos yakh wi

[BarakzaiAbdali]

guess where did taliban went after Muree talks. they were saying they are not going to talk to puppet kabul regime, but obviously they know who is the boss.

the barakzaiabdali duzmar ao da khushal ao da manzaree kaka kho ba wos yakh wi

I dunno, maybe they went to the brewery there to emulate their red hatter minority derived Awami wala nutjobs who wet their greasy mustachios on the fermented spirits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgX1su7ilR0

They switched bosses midstream it seems from 1980s Moscovite marxists to 2000 era seen the light capitlist democrats!

I guess parasites and opportunists abound eh?

[marwat]

I dunno, maybe they went to the brewery there to emulate their red hatter minority derived Awami wala nutjobs who wet their greasy mustachios on the fermented spirits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgX1su7ilR0

They switched bosses midstream it seems from 1980s Moscovite marxists to 2000 era seen the light capitlist democrats!

I guess parasites and opportunists abound eh?

lare marra zan mo sharmawale yast..

da zarra tappa de kana " Pa golo sore sore rashe"
" da be nange awaz de ramasha mayeena"

no staso kho da be nangi chaghe wahe, wos sharam darta pate nasho rasha ma khwala che darta khazo kapre ao saple wakhlam yo jor bya ameeroulmomen ta hum walega.

[marwat]

I dunno, maybe they went to the brewery there to emulate their red hatter minority derived Awami wala nutjobs who wet their greasy mustachios on the fermented spirits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgX1su7ilR0

They switched bosses midstream it seems from 1980s Moscovite marxists to 2000 era seen the light capitlist democrats!

I guess parasites and opportunists abound eh?

luuuuuulll it's your fat mullah who were riding american, arab and punjobo ****, and it's your fat mullah who are now sucking persian and punjobo balls to liberate us from american. look at the irony the fat mullah invited american to rape their mother (guess watan is synonymous in pashto for mother). their official stance is to fight all of those allies of american and declared them their enemy but they are sitting in the lap of their front allie, who are collecting tax from Nato supply and aide from US and then buy mullah weapon and dall two times a day.
i know you are masturbating out of desperation and the reason you bash awami mantra everytime you appear on the screen is because you lost it. but hay go move on old man there is simply no high moral ground left for you. your kid needs the time you waste on pursuing your false ego.

oh i forgot the one eye donkey tried his every shot to pursued the TTP founder Baitullah mehsud not to engage pakistan army. he sent 11 member delegation led by Mullah Abdullah a former Guantanamo detainee on the request of his master. but this son of soil knew his enemy very well and rejected his request. guess after that the one eye angel agreed many field commander to gave up on paskistan. he damaged TTP more than anyone else.

[Badlun]

Pakistan is embarrassing itself by cajoling Taliban, bringing them on negotiations table which clearly show that they are directly involved with these dirty animals being their mentors, sponsors and hosts.

I dont understand on one hand Pakistan is destroying Taliban on their own land but encouraging the same dirt for Afghanistan.

[jankhan]

Pakistan is embarrassing itself by cajoling Taliban, bringing them on negotiations table which clearly show that they are directly involved with these dirty animals being their mentors, sponsors and hosts.

I dont understand on one hand Pakistan is destroying Taliban on their own land but encouraging the same dirt for Afghanistan.

That is the dubious dirty position of Pakistani ISI and army. Thanks God, you understood after 15 years.

[Khostai]

Pakistan is embarrassing itself by cajoling Taliban, bringing them on negotiations table which clearly show that they are directly involved with these dirty animals being their mentors, sponsors and hosts.

I dont understand on one hand Pakistan is destroying Taliban on their own land but encouraging the same dirt for Afghanistan.

Birds of a feather flock toghether....

[ComradePashtun]

Hahaha.. marwat, you will like this interview of Amrullah Saleh.

https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/11735134_888537854547482_1590191191_n.mp4?efg=eyJxZSI6InZpZGVvX3ByZWZlcnJlZF90YWdzXzIwMTUwMTIxLDIwMTUwMTAxIiwicmxyIjozMDAsInJsYSI6MTY1N30%3D&rl=300&vabr=107&oh=8b5b3503ef2be1020202d5b2b9f98e8a&oe=55B12CE7

[Brown Skinned Savage]

That is the dubious dirty position of Pakistani ISI and army. Thanks God, you understood after 15 years.

I was about to say Badlun FINALLY gets it.

Pakistan-USA-Saudi-Taliban are apart of the same NEXUS (ironic since Nexus was Badlun's old screen name)

[khushal]

guess where did taliban went after Muree talks. they were saying they are not going to talk to puppet kabul regime, but obviously they know who is the boss.

the barakzaiabdali duzmar ao da khushal ao da manzaree kaka kho ba wos yakh wi

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/wo...sing.html?_r=0

Taliban Were Authorized to Talk, Afghan Envoys Say

By MUJIB MASHALJULY 9, 2015






Rejecting claims that they had met with an unauthorized Taliban delegation, Afghan government envoys said on Thursday that the insurgents they held initial talks with in Pakistan this week had the blessing of the Taliban’s deputy leader, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour.


The comments by Afghan government envoys, briefing the news media in Kabul for the first time since their return from the talks, added to speculation that there was a widening rift among the Taliban’s leadership over the Afghan peace process. On Wednesday, a representative of the Taliban’s official political office in Qatar claimed that the talks had been “hijacked” by Pakistani officials who had brokered a meeting with unauthorized Taliban representatives.





Mullah Mansour is believed to be locked in a struggle for influence with other senior Taliban commanders, and he has used his credentials as a confidant of the insurgency’s reclusive leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, to seed the group’s ranks with more of his loyalists in recent years.
An increasingly splintered Taliban movement would have serious repercussions for the peace process, raising questions about how much cooperation Taliban leaders in favor of negotiating could command.
But members of the Afghan delegation expressed optimism for the process ahead. During the late-night discussions in Murree, a resort town near the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, the two sides agreed to seek a peaceful end to the conflict by attending regular meetings, the officials said. The sides also drew up a list of all the issues and demands for the negotiations.


Hekmat Khalil Karzai, the Afghan deputy foreign minister who attended the talks, said the government’s delegation had set no preconditions and was willing to engage the Taliban on any of the group’s demands, including the release of prisoners and the future of American military forces in Afghanistan.
“We went with good intentions and good authority,” Mr. Karzai said. “We said we are willing to discuss anything, but within a framework that leads to a continuous process.”
He added, “We will let prisoners out, but on the condition that they give us guarantees they won’t kill innocent people anymore.”


The delegations also discussed the possibility of a temporary cease-fire during the three-day festival of Eid al-Fitr, which will signify the end of fasting for Ramadan later this month, the officials said, without elaborating on whether an agreement had been reached. But specific methods “to stop the bloodletting” will be the central topic in the next round of negotiations, said Azizullah Din Mohamed, a member of the Afghan government’s High Peace Council who was part of the Afghan delegation.


With the Afghan government under severe pressure from Taliban offensives in several provinces, the public will mostly judge the talks on whether a visible reduction in the violence is achieved, said Haroun Mir, a political analyst. Decreasing the bloodshed would also be a test of the authority of the delegation that represented the Taliban.




“Without a reduction of violence, the Afghan government won’t be able to sell this to the people,” Mr. Mir said.


While the meeting this week was hailed as a breakthrough in Kabul, the Afghan capital, concerns have remained about just what faction of the insurgency was present.


Mr. Karzai, who admitted to rifts among the Taliban, said the Afghan envoys had been assured that the delegation they met had permission from Mullah Mansour and the rest of the Taliban leadership based in Pakistan. He would not describe how that assurance was given. But a diplomatic official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the talks, said Pakistan’s military spy chief had vouched for the standing of the Taliban delegation with the insurgents’ leadership council.


What Pakistan managed to deliver at Murree were members of the Taliban closest to its establishment, some analysts and Taliban members believed. The insurgent delegation included Mullah Abbas Akhund, a member of the movement’s health commission and a longtime liaison with the Pakistani government, according to a member of the Taliban’s official political office in Qatar. The delegation also included a representative from the Haqqani insurgent network, Afghan attendees said.


The political office is now deciding whether Mullah Akhund “is still trusted” after he gave in to Pakistani pressure and attended the meeting without permission, the Qatar office representative said.
Some analysts expressed doubt that Mullah Mansour had given his full blessing to the delegation, saying the claim did not fit with the developments in the recent months.


On the urging of Afghanistan’s president, Ashraf Ghani, the Pakistani military increased pressure on the Taliban’s leadership to sit down for direct talks months ago. But the pressure seemed to backfire in some ways. Members of the office in Qatar, long seen as official representatives of the Taliban’s highest leadership, expressed dismay that the Afghan government saw them as Pakistani proxies. The insurgency began its deadly spring offensive anyway.


Mr. Ghani’s patience with Pakistani officials began to run out this spring, as the violence continued with little sign of a breakthrough on talks, officials said. The Pakistani military, which has sheltered the Taliban’s leadership for years, redoubled its pressure on the insurgents to come to the table. As a result, some Taliban commanders began fleeing Pakistan, said Borhan Osman, a researcher at the Afghan Analysts Network who has written extensively about the insurgency.


That reaction, coupled with the Qatar office’s public disagreement with the Murree meeting, made him “think twice,” Mr. Osman said, about the claim that Mr. Mansour had given permission to the Taliban negotiators.
“Especially if the Qatar office has been accountable to Akhtar Muhammad Mansour himself, you can’t imagine a contradiction between the two,” Mr. Osman said.
“The most plausible scenario is that Pakistan brought the best they could offer — these are the guys that Taliban cannot deny,” he continued. “But whether they have the blessing of the leadership, that is the question.”

[khushal]

Marwat,
The insurgency has no central command much like during the 80's. No one can stop the violence by dialogue, it is inevitable that the country will go through a process similar to the early 90's until one organization takes it by force. Historically, power sharing has never worked in Afghanistan.

Also the NYT article sheds light on why the Taliban has opened an office in Iran.

[khushal]

I was about to say Badlun FINALLY gets it.

Pakistan-USA-Saudi-Taliban are apart of the same NEXUS (ironic since Nexus was Badlun's old screen name)

Realism in international relations would claim you wrong. The whole planet is connected but all actors have their own self interests. The Saudi, Paki, Taliban interests maybe parallel when it comes to survival but that does not mean they all have the same goal outside of survival. USA is a hegemonic power whose sole purpose is to prevent nation states from coming together to counter their own power and influence.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

But Nation-States like Pakistan emerged as a consequence of the same structure of power that the US seeks to acquire, so in that sense they delineate more than simply survival but apart of the hegemonic order itself

[khushal]

You are right that these particular nation states, as they are, serves (HP) hegemonic powers sole purpose.

What was the HP's problem with the Taliban. Was it not that they were giving sanctuaries to groups from the Middle East and Central Asia that wanted to topple their respective regimes and create some kind of an entity that would counter HP's influence. Pakistan as it is in conflict with India and Afghanistan as is in conflict with pakistan is a perfect setup for HP which is why HP is always busy creating weak governments that are in conflict with their neighbors.

Why is HP purposefully giving more influence to Iran, is it because it has failed to create a feasible afghan gov that can last long term with the ability to prevent its soil to be used by groups that want to create a Sunni bloc that can counter HP influence. We can see that it has destroyed most Sunni infrastructure in Damascus, Baghdad, Tripoli, etc.
A Sunni bloc forming is more feasible than a Shia bloc since they don't have the population.

[marwat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/wo...sing.html?_r=0
Taliban Were Authorized to Talk, Afghan Envoys Say

By MUJIB MASHALJULY 9, 2015

good read though i already read the same thing thousand of time, i knew they have the blessing of the loy khar mullah. the thread intention is to tell you the influence pakistan got on them and the insurgency in Afghanistan controlled by pakistan Premier agencies which you people were denying previously at best.