Pashtuns of Pakistan discussion

[Saifullah]

I am not gonna fight for any state, why should i waste my time when i can see its not gonna happen with the kind of pashtuns we have. Do you think i am mad to waste my energy with such people who will take dollars instead of keeping their honour.

Nor do i tell others to fight when i cant myself. Preach to our people to stop being so stupid and to work hard towards something good. Politics dont get us nowhere

[Zarawar]

But from which country did he run away from when America attacked?

lol ?
No, you didn't.
You are kidding right?
What kind of logic is this?
Oh you hold Afghanistan responsible for his deeds, because he ran away from Afghanistan when the US bombed ?
What do you make out of this?

[Shayesta]

Ask your Wazir friends in Jalalabad why did Wazirs raise a Lashkar and booted uzbeks/Tajiks out of Wana,South Waziristan in 2008?

No, I was referring at Uzbeks and Tajiks from Afghanistan which has been rubbished by Waziris and even Pekhawris. Those Tajiks and Uzbeks are from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, not from Afghaistan.

Uzbek Militants have killed way over 200 tribal maliks and have abused and killed many pashtuns in waziristan.

Once again, they were Uzbeki Uzbeks, not Afghan Uzbeks.

Secondly Tajiks are Anti Pashtun and rule over Afghanistan and what makes you think they will accept Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa?

I already declared just like how we don't want Tajikistan and Iran, same-wise they don't want Pakhtunkhwa either. And by far not all Tajiks are anti-Pukhtoons, many of them have moved on leaving the past behind.

Tajiks are only anti pakistan because ISI betrayed their emir Ahmad Shah Masood.

True and also because they (Pakistani government and Pukhtoons) made North of Afghanistan hell for them (Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras), no wonder during Taliban regime the number of Afghan emigrants was higher than ever.

Tajiks have even suggested sending all Pashtuns back to Israel/Pakistan.

LOL, even Pukhtoons are suggesting to send back Tajiks to Tajikistan and Iran, so? Racists reside everywhere, indeed also amongst Tajiks.

Again this is typical of most Afghans always blaiming the Pashtuns for everything.

Even Punjabis in Pakistan are being blamed for literally everything, are they truly to blame for everything?

Forget about Afghanistan and Pakistan and work to make a Pashtun state or is letting go of Hazaara,Tajik and Uzbek land too much for you?

No, letting them go isn't too much for me because they will be a million times more happy if we part. But the question; How and when are we gonna part? Till the day they are my countrymen, I will try for their trust and unity because that's where the benefit of my country and people lies in. That's how simple it is.

[MazloomYarMasud]

No, I was referring at Uzbeks and Tajiks from Afghanistan which has been rubbished by Waziris and even Pekhawris. Those Tajiks and Uzbeks are from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, not from Afghaistan.


Once again, they were Uzbeki Uzbeks, not Afghan Uzbeks.


I already declared just like how we don't want Tajikistan and Iran, same-wise they don't want Pakhtunkhwa either. And by far not all Tajiks are anti-Pukhtoons, many of them have moved on leaving the past behind.


True and also because they (Pakistani government and Pukhtoons) made North of Afghanistan hell for them (Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras), no wonder during Taliban regime the number of Afghan emigrants was higher than ever.


LOL, even Pukhtoons are suggesting to send back Tajiks to Tajikistan and Iran, so? Racists reside everywhere, indeed also amongst Tajiks.


Even Punjabis in Pakistan are being blamed for literally everything, are they truly to blame for everything?


No, letting them go isn't too much for me because they will be a million times more happy if we part. But the question; How and when are we gonna part? Till the day they are my countrymen, I will try for their trust and unity because that's where the benefit of my country and people lies in. That's how simple it is.

So is Commander Haqqani a Pakistani citizen?

Is Mullah Nazeer from Afghanistan or Pakistan?

hahaha TAJIKS WERE SUPPORTED BY ISI PAKISTAN A VERY LONG TIME AGO!

Tajiks were funded by zulfiqar ali bhutto to stop the daud ambitions for a Pashtunistan!

Tajiks only TURNED ON PAKISTAN when Pakistan didnt give them the weapons or aid which was sent by America

Why blaime Pashtuns for the state of North Afghanistan.

I bet you will say next that you support the raping of pashtun women by barbaric tajik Dari Zuban terrorists in North Afghanistan. The day Nato leaves I hope Pashtuns take another trip to their neighbourhoods and teach him a good lesson.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

I agree with one thing from Shayestas replies, that is she says what you believe is the same thing they believe.

If you complain about tajiks, punjabis complain about pashtuns.
If you want punjabis, tajiks, uzbeks to leave pashtun lands. Well many places where pashtun people live are outside of their country, then how would you feel when they wanna kick you out also.

Like i said you point fingers at others, but they always point it at you. You need to be better than others, not the same!

Dont be rascist, dont be unjust, dont be stupid and just follow what Allah tells us to do. You keep complaining that i mention Allah everywhere because we have the best teachings in how to live, yet we ignore it for what shaytan tells us

[Zarawar]

I bet you will say next that you support the raping of pashtun women by barbaric tajik Dari Zuban terrorists in North Afghanistan. The day Nato leaves I hope Pashtuns take another trip to their neighbourhoods and teach him a good lesson.

Kind Regards

Our women are not Hindu or Pakistani women, no one has been rapped by no one, rap is end of the world in Afghan society, in that case a Pashtana getting rapped. Kindly, don't spread false propaganda.

I dont even understand your mindset, you told me you are a Pashtin Nationalist. Da sanga nationalist ye?

Ta kho da pashtun women rap dase yadawey laka his khabara chey nawee shawey.

isn't this doubtful?

[Shayesta]

So is Commander Haqqani a Pakistani citizen? Is Mullah Nazeer from Afghanistan or Pakistan?

I thought we were talking about 'crimes' of Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks in Waziristan, right?

hahaha TAJIKS WERE SUPPORTED BY ISI PAKISTAN A VERY LONG TIME AGO!

So were Pukhtoons.

Tajiks were funded by zulfiqar ali bhutto to stop the daud ambitions for a Pashtunistan!

So were Pukhtoons.

Tajiks only TURNED ON PAKISTAN when Pakistan didnt give them the weapons or aid which was sent by America

They didn't had to because Russia and Iran were there for them. And another reason for them turning against Pakistan (once again) was sending Taliban to the Northern provinces, stealing their land and burning their only income; Lands full of fruits, vegetables, etcetera.

Why blaime Pashtuns for the state of North Afghanistan.

I don't blame Pukhtoons for what Northern of Afghanistan has become today, I blame them for being so hungry for power that they didn't leave Northern area Pukhtoon-less. And since those very same Pukhtoons got Tajikized (since they were stupid enough to not promote Pukhto in North) it all backfired on us and us only.

I bet you will say next that you support the raping of pashtun women by barbaric tajik Dari Zuban terrorists in North Afghanistan.

That only happened when NATO had just arrived in Afghanistan, don't think that Pukhtoons haven't done the same to them and that also on their own lands. At least Tajiks ain't trying to occupy Southern Afghanistan. Today, huge numbers of Pukhtoons have returned to Mazar and Herat and not a single Tajik or Uzbek is raping them.

The day Nato leaves I hope Pashtuns take another trip to their neighbourhoods and teach him a good lesson.

Yeah, let them take those lands again, burn their lands again and rape their women again and when Pukhtoons are overthrown (again) then let the favour be returned (again). What a great and barbaric idea!

[ayub]

Our women are not Hindu or Pakistani women, no one has been rapped by no one, rap is end of the world in Afghan society, in that case a Pashtana getting rapped. Kindly, don't spread false propaganda.

I dont even understand your mindset, you told me you are a Pashtin Nationalist. Da sanga nationalist ye?

Ta kho da pashtun women rap dase yadawey laka his khabara chey nawee shawey.

isn't this doubtful?

Seriously serious? I suggest you do some research, it has been well documented by international human right watchdogs that many incidents of rape have occured in northern Afghanistan majority being targeted at the Pakthun ethnic group. Pls don't be so gullible and proud, accept the facts.

[Zarawar]

Seriously serious? I suggest you do some research, it has been well documented by international human right watchdogs that many incidents of rape have occured in northern Afghanistan majority being targeted at the Pakthun ethnic group. Pls don't be so gullible and proud, accept the facts.

Seriously seriously? I suggest you do some research...it's vise versa.
SERIOUSLY @ MAJORITY?
FACTS? facts come with valid evidence and proof. Why dont you help the cause? bring your facts up, where MAJORITY of the rapes in Northern Afghanistan were performed against the Pashtun women.
Sharm aw haya kho na larai, khpaley khwandey maindey mo shta kana,

Labeling Pashtuns of Northern Afghanistan with such disgusting crap, I challenge you bring me some facts.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

http://www.rawa.org/pushtun2.htm

http://www.hewad.com/news2.htm

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/03/pashtuntestimony.htm


this article gives some perspective

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...apart?page=0,1

[Zarawar]

RAWA aw da nor tol da pradayo dholo ta tsarney ghorzawee, their maqsad is to bring chaos and disunity between the different ethnic groups.

[MazloomYarMasud]

I thought we were talking about 'crimes' of Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks in Waziristan, right?


So were Pukhtoons.


So were Pukhtoons.


They didn't had to because Russia and Iran were there for them. And another reason for them turning against Pakistan (once again) was sending Taliban to the Northern provinces, stealing their land and burning their only income; Lands full of fruits, vegetables, etcetera.


I don't blame Pukhtoons for what Northern of Afghanistan has become today, I blame them for being so hungry for power that they didn't leave Northern area Pukhtoon-less. And since those very same Pukhtoons got Tajikized (since they were stupid enough to not promote Pukhto in North) it all backfired on us and us only.


That only happened when NATO had just arrived in Afghanistan, don't think that Pukhtoons haven't done the same to them and that also on their own lands. At least Tajiks ain't trying to occupy Southern Afghanistan. Today, huge numbers of Pukhtoons have returned to Mazar and Herat and not a single Tajik or Uzbek is raping them.


Yeah, let them take those lands again, burn their lands again and rape their women again and when Pukhtoons are overthrown (again) then let the favour be returned (again). What a great and barbaric idea!

This is typical of Afghans.

Are you a Pashtun???? or an Tajik?

or are you a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Here you openly insult pashtuns and defend barbaric rapist tajiks.

I know what tajiks did to Pashtun women and I garantee you Pashtuns did not rape Tajik Women.

Those Barbaric immigrant sons of mongols and persians, what they did to pashtun innocents in north afghanistan will never be forgetten and those fake traitorous afghan pashtuns who stand besides those rapists would face their judgement day.

I am amazed how u support anti pashtun forces being Tajiks and then you spend your whole day insulting Pakistan, Let me make something very clear with you, Even tho Pashtuns are hated in Pakistan, Atleast we dont see MQM or Punjabis going into the houses of pashtuns and raping their women infront of their children or massacring whole families according to you this is acceptible becos pashtuns were so called cruel to Tajiks eh?

Kind Regards

[Shayesta]

This is typical of Afghans.

What's typical Afghan? Not spreading lies and biased-ness? Oh well, if you say so.

Are you a Pashtun???? or an Tajik?

Any doubt?

or are you a wolf in sheeps clothing.

As far as I know, I am just an human being. You?

Here you openly insult pashtuns and defend barbaric rapist tajiks.

Where did I insult Pukhtoons? Could you please elaborate? And if you don't care about Afghans anyway then why do you care if I insult Pukhtoons of Afghanistan, aye?

I know what tajiks did to Pashtun women and I garantee you Pashtuns did not rape Tajik Women.

Guarantee as in how? I am curious.

Those Barbaric immigrant sons of mongols and persians, what they did to pashtun innocents in north afghanistan will never be forgetten

And what have Pukhtoons done to them? Northern Afghanistan (especially provinces like Balkh and Herat) have always been Persian soil, Taliban had no right to move thousands of Pukhtoons from South to the North of the country and snatch anything everything the Northerners had. They didn't have the right to torture Hazaras on daily basis. They didn't have the right to only allow non-Pukhtoons to study on higher education and work if they knew Pukhto fluently. They didn't have the right to ban Dari as an national, educational and economical language. They just shouldn't invaded North of the country because I guarantee you that Tajiks never ever invaded Pukhtoons in South and nor are interested to.

and those fake traitorous afghan pashtuns who stand besides those rapists would face their judgement day.

So would those murderers and rapists amongst Pukhtoons in the past, thanks to whose deeds on the past till the day of today Pukhtoon nation is suffering.

I am amazed how u support anti pashtun forces being Tajiks

I don't back any anti-Pukhtoon, I back the truth. Did you even know that just before the Russian war Pakistan had sent Ahmad Shah Massoud to the province of Panjsher, but Panjsheris had driven him out because they thought he would spread national disunity? They wouldn't have done it if they were anti-Pukhtoon, but today they are more distrusting towards Pukhtoons because unlike them we didn't drive Taliban out in name of national unity.

and then you spend your whole day insulting Pakistan,

And could you also show me at least one of my posts where I literally insulted Pakistan? Waiting.

Even tho Pashtuns are hated in Pakistan, Atleast we dont see MQM or Punjabis going into the houses of pashtuns and raping their women infront of their children or massacring whole families

That's because Pukhtoons of Pakistan are very loyal to Pakistan, and Pukhtoons of Afghanistan were very loyal to Pakistan as well along with Saudi; Even if that was to go at cost of their fellow Afghans, which did happen. Otherwise, do you remember what Pakistan did to Bangalis? Or stories going about Balochi women being kept as sex-slaves in prisons? Or ethnic-killings of Pukhtoons in Karachi? Or ethnic-killings of Punjabis in Balochistan? And those houses in North were of Uzbeks and Tajiks which were snatched, Tajiks and Uzbeks didn't come down to the South.

according to you this is acceptible becos pashtuns were so called cruel to Tajiks eh?

No, that's not at all acceptable. Just like how it isn't acceptable when you said you hope Pukhtoons 'return the favour to Tajiks', because your mentality is coming across as 'only Pukhtoons are allowed to be cruel', which is just sickening.

[MazloomYarMasud]

Tajiks such as Shayesta are white washing the past.

When Daud followed a Pashtunistan stance, her tajik brothers joined hands with Punjabi Pakistan to counter the Pashtunistan threat which resulted in Dauds government being limited in the Tajik areas of Panjshir valley.

She blaimes everything on pashtuns and says in other words Pashtun women in the North deserved being raped and killed by barbaric tajik savages.

You see roara Sher Khana

Da gha Farsiban pira Afghanistan lutav karayey doo, da gha pawaja due to Tajiks being betrayed by ISI they want us to join Afghanistan and then treat us the same way as Pakistan does by killing us and giving us second class citizenship.

Meeez Loy Pukhtunkhwa goreeeee! Na day Afghanistan sara yee Na day Pakistan sara yee

Za day Mu Pukhtun khalq Sara yam!

You know what else is funny haha is that she says the tajiks in Waziristan are from tajikistan and that and not from Afghanistan hahaha I seen with my own eyes they all have Afghan ID cards! lol!

She has proven the typical attitude of tajiks and their plans to dominate and control the whole of Afghanistan by portraying them as national unifiers and the people who will defend Afghanistan more than Pashtuns etc.

These people dont have any shame.

My friend from Afghanistan couldnt join the ANA because HE COULD NOT SPEAK DARI. why do these people ignore such things

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

Take a look at Tajiks such as Pedram.

Tajiks have always hated and are against Pashtun domination of the areas.

Kind Regards