Pashtuns of Pakistan discussion

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

no one cares what you have to say.

lol @ this guy trading his Pakhtun dignity to be like an Indian

[BLS_1919v2.0]

lol @ this guy trading his Pakhtun dignity to be like an Indian

Daa kass pakhtun na dae....asae daltha raaghalae dae.

[Army of Pakistan]

First thing is first. You don`t even know your own country`s history. When I said there are more muslims within India than Pakistan, I am not talking about the small urdu speaking population. I am talking about the partition of British India and the subsequent areas that went to either country. In that context, Pakistan is outnumbered in terms of muslims in comparison to India. So that is that.

I don't know my own's country history..lol, I think you said that in every ridicilious post you had to me, in deceptive way you claim this to propagate your pseudo-intelligence.

So India has more Muslims whats your point? Bharatis can stay in India as far as I am concerned.

Look, Army of Pakistan, I already discussed this. That is the irony of Pakistan, every time the army has stepped in, it has made it worse off than before. Look at all the coups, they were followed with some stability and then blunders. Ayub Khan the 65 debacle (operation gibralter), Army intervention in East Pakistan - 90,000 soldiers depanted (if Bengalis could do it, whom Pakistan army used to consider dark skinned and too short or too weak to be part of the army, then what makes you think others can`t?)

What Bengalis did by themselves? They had SIGNIFICANT help from the the Bharatis. Debacle? LOL, if you know anything about Pakistan's history Zulfikar actually sided with Bengalis. For him being stupid we hung him by the neck.

Zia ul haq - 90s and onwards, Musharraf (tribal areas, balochistan, economy, etc). Well you are right they need to put emphasis on education, but then go read Ayesha Siqqidui`s Army Inc...she clearly discusses the fact that the Army takes the lion share of resources and industries. More money is put into the military than education. Now by your account Pakistan has not succeeded on the Kashmiri front, and India is too large of a country to fight Pakistan, so is there really a point to have such expenditure on the armed forces?

Yes there is a point to have such an expenditure on Armed Forces. Look at the Bengalis and how they are being destroyed by India.

Loll those some part of the monsters is enough to make Zaid Hamid and army send thousands upon thousands of troops to specific regions. How many more thousands when other parts start attacking on their one time master?

Whatever you say Mr. Political Scientist.

Look, pakistan economy is not even close to good, and that railway will not help. It was on the brink of insolvency a few years ago, until IMF bailed it out. Now if you look at it in the context of the greater financial system, it is very susceptible to shocks. Look at it this way, your prime exporting partner (US) is also suffering in an ongoing financial collapse. If it is further exasperated, what do you think will happen to Pakistan (for that matter the rest of the world)? What will happen to the value of the Ruppee if say the dollar loses reserve status? Better yet, the last time the financial crisis hit, Pakistan needed upwards of 100 million just to keep it afloat. What will it do in the future?

Its good for you to ignore my SCO part. But let me put it out for you. China is a STRONG ally of Pakistan. Their economy is growing at an unprecedented rate. U.S. or no U.S. Pakistan is a strategic asset for China to the Middle East. Pakistan economy will grow while your beloved Afghanistan or ethno-nationalist group will for ever be involved in fanatical conflicts, ie: my ethnicity is better than yours, my country is better than yours, my language is better than yours, etc., etc., yet after your so called thousands of years today you have NOTHING to show for it.

Yet after 63 years Pakistan has become the most powerful Islamic state after Turkey. Face the facts your full of empty hate filled talk because you could not acheive in your so called thousands of years of history what we acheived in 63 years.

P.S. About weapons, hey good for you, some people are buying jf-17s. Guess what nearly half the world used to buy Soviet weaponry, it is still traded in the black market. Your point is?

Your point is?

[Zarawar]

Afghanistan is 0% independent.

I fail to see how you figure Pakistan is controlled by the U.S. If U.S. is giving billions in weapons (f-16 jets, smartbombs, helicopters, warships) it is automatically being controlled by the U.S. Pakistan is a Major non-Nato Ally. Billion in aids. Something Karzai begged Obama for Afghanistan to be apart of but was DENIED. Perhaps Pakistan is controlled by China for the support they give Pakistan or Indonesia because of the recent military cooperation treaty signed by each country, or Turkey for standing besides Pakistan no matter what, or Italy for recently selling its Spada SAMs to Pakistan, or Poland for selling its air tankers to Pakistan. By your definition of "being controlled" everybody in the world is controlling Pakistan.


You don't fail to see, you prefer not to see how Pakistan is controlled by the US. US is not giving billions of dollars to Pakistan in return to some kind of diplomatic love. Instead, that aid is intended to be used against your fellow Pakistanis (Waziristan, Mohmand, Bajawar, Swat, Khyber and Malakand agencies). Again, I don't have to repeat myself, I don't represent Karzai, the current government is not independent, in your case it is, since you represent the ARMY of Pakistan. Therefore, I could care less about who Karzai or Pakistan (Musharaf) begs, how they beg and what they beg. Pakistan is a ping pong between US and CHINA, you cannot say that it's only controlled by China. You don't need to repeat yourself, I read that Pakistan bought SAM missiles. Again, why are you even talking about that? I only brought that up in regards with the Drone attacks and how Pakistani air force/army is not capable of stopping them. So, whether they (US) give you SAM or whether they pay you to build an ABDALI, or a GHAZNAWI or A GHOURI missile. Your government is not capable of halting the drone raids, they cannot even bring it up, let alone defending.

Once you crawl out of your naive world and realize that Punjabis aren't the only ones that hate Afghans. After all Zardar is Sindhi (by your standards a Punjabi) and he hates Afghanistan so tell me WHO LIKES AFGHANISTAN?

I never said, Sindhis liked Afghans. As a matter of fact anyone, let it be a PATHUS/PATHAN, Baloch, Sindhi or Panjabi, a Pakistani is a PAKISTANI. Oh let's not be middle schoolers @ "who hates who, and who likes who", there is no such thing as liking or hating, all countries hold relationships based on interests, not emotions. But since you brought it up, why dont you do some research and try to refute that Pakistan is one of the most hated countries in the world right next to Iran, North Korea, Israel and USA, according to various polls.
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country | Pakistan Politics
Most hated country in the world? - Instablogs
News Pakistan!!! The World's second most hated country
Iran 1st and Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country | PakBits
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country - CrickeTime
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country
I wonder what bias and fake philosophy are you gonna try to refute this with...

Name one country where an Afghan can travel and will be openly loved for beign an Afghan? NAME ONE NATION. Pakistanis can go to Turkey and just the mere mention of being a Pakistani they will be LOVED. Can you say the same for any nation?
lol this one should also be answered already. Scroll up my friend.

Afghanistan has half a million Balochs and Iran has 1.5 million Balochs. Why didn't you include Iranian Balochs? I see you people like to suck up to Iranians..Do you know Iranians passionately hate Afghans? Do you have any idea of how the Iranians treat Afghans Iran?? Hint: Dirt.
Oh are you trying to say I'm hiding or am not aware of the huge Balochi population of Iran? The respect I have for the Baloch of Iran is the same as for the Baloch of Pakistan (only the real/anti-Shia/secular). Ok, let me tell you again 7+ million baloch of IRAN, PAKISTAN, and AFGHANISTAN.


What point? Lol, don't try to take credit for nothing you know of.
You don't make sense, if you have nothing to say in reply, just skip the statement. You don't have to reply with bias and false assumptions.



Pakistan is no Iraq or Afghanistan. You are ranting nonsensically without actually posting anything of use.

Again, you have nothing to say, you are just repeating your previous bias predictions and non sense.




Stay in school.

Like mentioned above, childish and non sense.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I don't know my own's country history..lol, I think you said that in every ridicilious post you had to me, in deceptive way you claim this to propagate your pseudo-intelligence.

So India has more Muslims whats your point? Bharatis can stay in India as far as I am concerned.



What Bengalis did by themselves? They had SIGNIFICANT help from the the Bharatis. Debacle? LOL, if you know anything about Pakistan's history Zulfikar actually sided with Bengalis. For him being stupid we hung him by the neck.



Yes there is a point to have such an expenditure on Armed Forces. Look at the Bengalis and how they are being destroyed by India.



Whatever you say Mr. Political Scientist.




Its good for you to ignore my SCO part. But let me put it out for you. China is a STRONG ally of Pakistan. Their economy is growing at an unprecedented rate. U.S. or no U.S. Pakistan is a strategic asset for China to the Middle East. Pakistan economy will grow while your beloved Afghanistan or ethno-nationalist group will for ever be involved in fanatical conflicts, ie: my ethnicity is better than yours, my country is better than yours, my language is better than yours, etc., etc., yet after your so called thousands of years today you have NOTHING to show for it.

Yet after 63 years Pakistan has become the most powerful Islamic state after Turkey. Face the facts your full of empty hate filled talk because you could not acheive in your so called thousands of years of history what we acheived in 63 years.



Your point is?

I used that as one of my replies since you asked us about Pashtuns seceding from Pakistan. I had made a point, which you could not see no surprise.

Yes Bengalis did take help from India, but so what? That was not even the point of what I said. I used the Bengal example to highlight one of the major failures of your dear army. They through what was called operation Searchlight, killed intellects, raped women, harassed students, etc. This heavy handed treatment had not only hurt whatever credibility Pakistan had but also gave Mukthi Bahini core support. Guess what Operation searchlight failed, it was a blunder that led to 90,000+ surrenders on the battlefield.
Who told you Zulfiqar sided with Bengalis? Did you pull this out your backside, because he was the one who garnered the most votes in West Pakistan, but in East Pakistan (and by default the majority of the country at the time) it was Mujib ur Rehman`s party. In fact Zulfiqaar used to say that if any of his PPP members attended the inauguration of the National Assembly, he would break their legs. If he had supported the Bengalis as you say, then why didn`t he- a) support the result of the elections of 1970, and b) win any seats in East Pakistan?

Pakistan is worse off today economically then before. This is a fact. It is politically unstable, and has an active insurgency in half of the country. What drug are you on? How can you be so oblivious to the existential issues plighting your country that you supposedly love so much?

BTW being the most powerful islamic country nowadays is like saying which blind man can drive the best. It is trivial at best and insane at worst.

[Army of Pakistan]

You don't fail to see, you prefer not to see how Pakistan is controlled by the US. US is not giving billions of dollars to Pakistan in return to some kind of diplomatic love. Instead, that aid is intended to be used against your fellow Pakistanis (Waziristan, Mohmand, Bajawar, Swat, Khyber and Malakand agencies). Again, I don't have to repeat myself, I don't represent Karzai, the current government is not independent, in your case it is, since you represent the ARMY of Pakistan. Therefore, I could care less about who Karzai or Pakistan (Musharaf) begs, how they beg and what they beg. Pakistan is a ping pong between US and CHINA, you cannot say that it's only controlled by China. You don't need to repeat yourself, I read that Pakistan bought SAM missiles. Again, why are you even talking about that? I only brought that up in regards with the Drone attacks and how Pakistani air force/army is not capable of stopping them. So, whether they (US) give you SAM or whether they pay you to build an ABDALI, or a GHAZNAWI or A GHOURI missile.

This is garbage. Not worth responding too.

Your government is not capable of halting the drone raids, they cannot even bring it up, let alone defending.

Oh trust me we can. But why should we if letting them continue to fly far benefits us than us stopping them?

I never said, Sindhis liked Afghans. As a matter of fact anyone, let it be a PATHUS/PATHAN, Baloch, Sindhi or Panjabi, a Pakistani is a PAKISTANI. Oh let's not be middle schoolers @ "who hates who, and who likes who", there is no such thing as liking or hating, all countries hold relationships based on interests, not emotions. But since you brought it up, why dont you do some research and try to refute that Pakistan is one of the most hated countries in the world right next to Iran, North Korea, Israel and USA, according to various polls.
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country | Pakistan Politics
Most hated country in the world? - Instablogs
News Pakistan!!! The World's second most hated country
Iran 1st and Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country | PakBits
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country - CrickeTime
Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country
I wonder what bias and fake philosophy are you gonna try to refute this with...

29,000 adults from 28 different countries doesn't represent the 7 billion people. Find a survey with larger demographics.

2nd link doesn't prove anything.

Rest of the links are copies of the first link.

lol this one should also be answered already. Scroll up my friend.

Right, NONE. Got it.

Oh are you trying to say I'm hiding or am not aware of the huge Balochi population of Iran? The respect I have for the Baloch of Iran is the same as for the Baloch of Pakistan (only the real/anti-Shia/secular). Ok, let me tell you again 7+ million baloch of IRAN, PAKISTAN, and AFGHANISTAN.

Pointless.

You don't make sense, if you have nothing to say in reply, just skip the statement. You don't have to reply with bias and false assumptions.

your circumventing statements to appease your ego.

Again, you have nothing to say, you are just repeating your previous bias predictions and non sense.

Again circumventing statements to appese your ego.

Like mentioned above, childish and non sense.

Okie dokie.

[Army of Pakistan]

I used that as one of my replies since you asked us about Pashtuns seceding from Pakistan. I had made a point, which you could not see no surprise.

No point you made, except in your mind.

Yes Bengalis did take help from India, but so what? That was not even the point of what I said. I used the Bengal example to highlight one of the major failures of your dear army. They through what was called operation Searchlight, killed intellects, raped women, harassed students, etc. This heavy handed treatment had not only hurt whatever credibility Pakistan had but also gave Mukthi Bahini core support. Guess what Operation searchlight failed, it was a blunder that led to 90,000+ surrenders on the battlefield.

What do you mean so what? We had a two front war because of this. What are the major failures of your army? EVERYTHING.
What are the major failure of your country? EVERYTHING.
You are like a Barathi who lives in 40 years past. Things are different today.

Who told you Zulfiqar sided with Bengalis? Did you pull this out your backside, because he was the one who garnered the most votes in West Pakistan, but in East Pakistan (and by default the majority of the country at the time) it was Mujib ur Rehman`s party. In fact Zulfiqaar used to say that if any of his PPP members attended the inauguration of the National Assembly, he would break their legs. If he had supported the Bengalis as you say, then why didn`t he- a) support the result of the elections of 1970, and b) win any seats in East Pakistan?

Go read up on 1971 Pak/India war and what Zulfikar did before engaging East Pakistan and why this ultimately led to his death instead of pretending you know what you are talking about.

Pakistan is worse off today economically then before. This is a fact. It is politically unstable, and has an active insurgency in half of the country. What drug are you on? How can you be so oblivious to the existential issues plighting your country that you supposedly love so much?

Don't worry, you will never get your land from Pakistan. Sorry, its a hollow dream. Its not an active insurgency in half of the country. West Pakistan consists 20 percent of Pakistan's population. Of this 1 percent engage in terrorism so which you glorify.

BTW being the most powerful islamic country nowadays is like saying which blind man can drive the best. It is trivial at best and insane at worst.

Who are you trying to impress with this statement. At least a "blind man" can drive instead of being crippled and taken advantage by most every nation on this planet.

And these "blind men" are taking part in U.S.A.'s Red Flag somthing you can NEVER fathom of doing.

http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123213969

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[BLS_1919v2.0]

No point you made, except in your mind.



What do you mean so what? We had a two front war because of this. What are the major failures of your army? EVERYTHING.
What are the major failure of your country? EVERYTHING.
You are like a Barathi who lives in 40 years past. Things are different today.



Go read up on 1971 Pak/India war and what Zulfikar did before engaging East Pakistan and why this ultimately led to his death instead of pretending you know what you are talking about.



Don't worry, you will never get your land from Pakistan. Sorry, its a hollow dream. Its not an active insurgency in half of the country. West Pakistan consists 20 percent of Pakistan's population. Of this 1 percent engage in terrorism so which you glorify.



Who are you trying to impress with this statement. At least a "blind man" can drive instead of being crippled and taken advantage by most every nation on this planet.

And these "blind men" are taking part in U.S.A.'s Red Flag somthing you can NEVER fathom of doing.

Pakistan Air Force arrives at Nellis for first Red Flag





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A two front war you sowed for yourself. We are not talking about my country, we are talking about the one you so vehemently defend. So either bring some solid proof, or stop whining.

Half of the country - Pashtun areas and baloch areas....geographically that is half the country. BTW I never glorified it, it was your independent media, army folk and ISI who called them mujahids and patriots. Now they saw a taste of their own medicine and they are whining. See it is a pain when the shoe is on the other foot. I have read up on the war of 1971, why don`t you enlighten us with your proofs for this claim. You made it now kindly show it to us.

I used blind men as a metaphor, basically to tell you that being a powerful islamic country nowadays is a joke. They barely have any leverage. You might as well talk about the most powerful country in Africa while you are at it.

Now bring proof or stop whining. You bring one topic, stray from it, then accuse the other, then start another topic, and so on.

[Zarawar]

This is garbage. Not worth responding too.



Oh trust me we can. But why should we if letting them continue to fly far benefits us than us stopping them?



29,000 adults from 28 different countries doesn't represent the 7 billion people. Find a survey with larger demographics.

2nd link doesn't prove anything.

Rest of the links are copies of the first link.





Right, NONE. Got it.



Pointless.




your circumventing statements to appease your ego.





Again circumventing statements to appese your ego.





Okie dokie.

Is that all you got? that's what I thought.

[Army of Pakistan]

A two front war you sowed for yourself. We are not talking about my country, we are talking about the one you so vehemently defend. So either bring some solid proof, or stop whining.

Half of the country - Pashtun areas and baloch areas....geographically that is half the country. BTW I never glorified it, it was your independent media, army folk and ISI who called them mujahids and patriots. Now they saw a taste of their own medicine and they are whining. See it is a pain when the shoe is on the other foot. I have read up on the war of 1971, why don`t you enlighten us with your proofs for this claim. You made it now kindly show it to us.

I used blind men as a metaphor, basically to tell you that being a powerful islamic country nowadays is a joke. They barely have any leverage. You might as well talk about the most powerful country in Africa while you are at it.

Now bring proof or stop whining. You bring one topic, stray from it, then accuse the other, then start another topic, and so on.

get a job


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[BLS_1919v2.0]

get a job


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lolll is this coming from someone on a pashtunforum who isn`t even a pashtun and whose sole purpose was to show us up?lollll

btw I'm a student with a very fulfilling life (something you sorely need)

[Army of Pakistan]

I guess that means Army of Pakistan lost the debate again. He posts a paragraph and look at your pathetic response.

when you learn to use your brain then you can start posting, till then you and your propaganda school student can run off and enjoy your primitive "fulfilling life."

[BLS_1919v2.0]

when you learn to use your brain then you can start posting, till then you and your propaganda school student can run off and enjoy your primitive "fulfilling life."

Aww it must be tough being an internet warrior and all.

[Zarawar]

lol akherey salgai ye shwaley..

[Afghan_Soldier]

Blisterinig attrition, just like the warriors in Waziristan prosecuted, once the enemy is worn out, he declares from the battle ground. The only thing missing is his Qaid-e-Azam head cannot be choped off here. But I can see a tail between leg of that skinny Jenah and declaring himself out. lol