Pashtuns of Pakistan discussion

[Zarawar]

That doesn't answer my question. Instead of talking around my question answer it DIRECTLY.

The fact of the matter is if the MAJORITY of Pashtuns hated Pakistan they would have already seperated. In reality you are just spewing propaganda and relying on the ignorance of others to further propagate your ethno-nationalist agenda.

Is that why the entire province of Pashtunkhwa is burning in flames?

Every move made by the Pakistanis in Pashtunkhwa aims to weaken the new Afghan nationalism, that is getting stronger, day after day.
Do you think all this, "War on Terror" or "Market bombings" are done for fun?
No, everything comes back to the issue of "Durrand line", let it be the involvment of India or our NDS. Their primary goal is to destabilize Pakistan and then use the destabled elements against Pakistan, just like Abdol Malek Rigi or Nawab Bugti. Just watch the game until the end, this is just the beginning, Wakht mo raghalai dai...

[BLS_1919v2.0]

That doesn't answer my question. Instead of talking around my question answer it DIRECTLY.

The fact of the matter is if the MAJORITY of Pashtuns hated Pakistan they would have already seperated. In reality you are just spewing propaganda and relying on the ignorance of others to further propagate your ethno-nationalist agenda.

Army of Pakistan, that is like me asking you, if the two-nation theory holds true, why are the majority of muslims still in India? Why is Kashmir still in India? Why are Chechens still under Russia? So you see this mode of questioning is fundamentally flawed and can be used against your initial position.

Now Pashtun nationalism or ethnic issues in Pakistan is very complex. It was at the height up until the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. That is where Pashtun nationalism (or separatism to an extent) became very dormant (up until the late 90s). Now the situation has fundamentally changed and what you are seeing as a situation where the masters and creators of Pakistan are essentially seeing it as more of a liability than asset. Furthermore, Pakistan and US`s policy in the region from the 80s and 90s is backfiring...so it is basically unravelling in the Pashtun areas. Now no one really needs to nationalist to know that when you are stuck in survival mode, one has to look for alternative options. This is basically the case with Pashtuns, they have increasingly seen and see Pak ISI and policy as a negative. There is no benefit for a Pashtun in mianzanee Pashtunkhwa or elsewhere in seeing Afghanistan deteriorate or the whole fifth province nonsense of the 90s. So they look at the policy in a more antagonistic way (especially since their areas are being hammered for this policy). Basically the writ is going away from Pakistan and Pashtuns will eventually be united...the only reason they are divided is due to the cold war policies, and the great game...now since those policies have little relevance it makes little sense for them to stay. Oh and Pakistan`s ideology has basically been de-panted...you have a whole new intelligentsia in Pakistan who are shying away from it.

[Zarawar]

I'm not going to go in a silly childish argument with you. I can easily post the prostitution problem that goes on in Afghanistan especially with young girls and how flocks of 40 year old men go after them.

Anyways to address your porn search rant, Pakistan does not have enough internet users in the world to rank #1. If you took time to read my previous post there are 1.5 to 1.8 billion Internet users worldwide and Pakistan has only 5 to 8 million internet users. It is impossible for Pakistan to be #1. If you are unable to discern this, it won't suprise me.

Pakistan has 5 to 8 million internet users?
Are you kidding me?

Are you telling me that cities like Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Sarghoda, Hyderabad, Multan, Panjab etc with being populated by millions has only 5 to 8 million internet users? lol
come on, be realistic!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Is that why the entire province of Pashtunkhwa is burning in flames?

Every move made by the Pakistanis in Pashtunkhwa aims to weaken the new Afghan nationalism, that is getting stronger, day after day.
Do you think all this, "War on Terror" or "Market bombings" are done for fun?
No, everything comes back to the issue of "Durrand line", let it be the involvment of India or our NDS. Their primary goal is to destabilize Pakistan and then use the destabled elements against Pakistan, just like Abdol Malek Rigi or Nawab Bugti. Just watch the game until the end, this is just the beginning, Wakht mo raghalai dai...

This is very true. Zarawar, you probably remember Peshawar back then, and so do I. Pashtunkhwa talk, lar au bar or Loy Afghan millat were ideas only shared by a small portion of society then. Now there is an increasing recognition. Aghaa da ISI lobae wuss pa khpl korr ao kalae kae woleedall. Back then no one even talked or cared about Pashtunkhwa, now every second person (even the supporters of Pakistan) are like Pashtunkhwa Pashtunkhwa...in a span of ten years they jumped on this trend. It is only a matter of time (inshallah) they will go to the next step. Dae khabaro na thaekhtha neeshta. Allah u aalim.

[Army of Pakistan]

Is that why the entire province of Pashtunkhwa is burning in flames?

Every move made by the Pakistanis in Pashtunkhwa aims to weaken the new Afghan nationalism, that is getting stronger, day after day.
Do you think all this, "War on Terror" or "Market bombings" are done for fun?

No, everything comes back to the issue of "Durrand line", let it be the involvment of India or our NDS. Their primary goal is to destabilize Pakistan and then use the destabled elements against Pakistan, just like Abdol Malek Rigi or Nawab Bugti. Just watch the game until the end, this is just the beginning, Wakht mo raghalai dai...

This is a hollow dream. It is next to impossible for KP to seperate. You will never stand against the entire Pak Army. Army and Government have historically been seperate entities. You can destablize the government but the Army will still be there. You stand no chance.

[Feroza_Banu]

This is a hollow dream. It is next to impossible for KP to seperate. You will never stand against the entire Pak Army. Army and Government have historically been seperate entities. You can destablize the government but the Army will still be there. You stand no chance.

the British, the Russians thought the same.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

This is a hollow dream. It is next to impossible for KP to seperate. You will never stand against the entire Pak Army. Army and Government have historically been seperate entities. You can destablize the government but the Army will still be there. You stand no chance.

You don`t need to stand to an army to destabilize the state. There are other ways of going about it. Here is the irony of your statement, normally separatists or nationalists happily worked with the civilian government, it was the army that always destabilized the government. So you see Army already shoots itself in the foot in that regard. This is not some old school battlefield, this is a little more complex. You have a monster your army and intel helped feed, now some part of it is biting back. You have your allies that are impatient with you, and a broken economy. Army alone can`t save or make a state. Surely you can do better than this.

[Zarawar]

This is a hollow dream. It is next to impossible for KP to seperate. You will never stand against the entire Pak Army. Army and Government have historically been seperate entities. You can destablize the government but the Army will still be there. You stand no chance.

Last time I checked, the army was depending on the government and the government was hooked with US taxpayers money. Oh and speaking of histories, when was the last time Pakistan went through a chaos like this?
When was the last time, ISI officials were kidnapped by the NDS proxies called "Asian Tigers", which later on resulted in execution of Khalid khwaja (senior ISI offiical).
When was the last time urdu was baned in public eduation system in Balochistan? Do you really think Pakistanis run Pakistan? NO!
Also, when was the last time you heard remote control planes (DRONES) being controlled from air force bases in Arizona, that continously bombed the so called "Great Pakistan". Pakistan is not even capable of stopping drone attacks that is killing nothing but ordinary citizens. And, yet you have the courage to portray this "Macho man" image of Pakistan?

[Army of Pakistan]

Pakistan has 5 to 8 million internet users?
Are you kidding me?

Are you telling me that cities like Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Sarghoda, Hyderabad, Multan, Panjab etc with being populated by millions has only 5 to 8 million internet users? lol
come on, be realistic!

Disclaimer: This article might not be suitable for all audiences. Readers discretion is advised.


Pakistan may rank 1st on these keywords. And porn may be popular in Pakistan. Pakistan is NOT “No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches” as claimed by Fox News.


Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for “horse sex” since 2004, “donkey sex” since 2007, “rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009, “rape sex” since 2004, “child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, “animal sex” since 2004 and “dog sex” since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.

It’s funny how they mentioned keywords are few of the least popular keywords when it comes to pornography. Below is the image of comparison of these keywords along with other major keywords related to pornography like “sex”, “porn”, “big tits”



If you have a look at the image, the search volume for keyword “sex” is FAR more than other keywords. Keyword “Porn” has the 2nd highest search volume. Followed by “big tits” and then there is this little search volume for “rape sex” and “horse sex” which you might spot with a magnifying glass.

NOW we have an understanding that other keywords consume much largely to porn searches, let’s now have a look at their traffic distribution.

Regional traffic for “Sex”:




Regional traffic for “Porn”:





Regional traffic for “Big tits”:




I don’t see Pakistan occurring even in the top 10 regions here. It’s a ridiculous how Fox news has refereed to a country as Pornistan just to sell off their papers. The stunt they played is exactly like referring to Pakistan as “Number 1 nation in music searches” since it ranks number 1 on keyword “Sufi Music”!




Just to add further, as per FoxNews’ formula, whole of United States of America is wildest nation as a whole – see following:








I don't see Pakistan at #1 in 'sex'. Here's what I see:

[Zarawar]

zarawar: lol @ the last few lines of your statement. You sound like a big bad e-warrior. Btw I didn't come here to fight, or prove I'm right or anyone is wrong etc. I came here to learn and understand new angles.

I have nothing to prove, and u seem particularly aggresive, u need to chill. Anyways I'm not excessively political. But enjoy reading these threads to see all the many views expressed.

So go find another punching bag, I'm out of the politics/news thread.

Well, I'm just trying to answer what you predicted about "US".
No need to get personal with me @ e-warrior, stick to the point (debate), you are not here to tell me what to do or what not to do.
well said @ "
So go find another punching bag, I'm out of the politics/news thread" , if you cannot handle political debates, don't participate in first place.
lol @ e-warrior, I like that. I always called them cyber-tigers, those are the ones that get abusive and threating behind a PC.

[Zarawar]

@ Army of Pakistan,
What is your source, dude the word is out, I haven't seen a single Pakistani official on media trying to refute or HAS succeeded in Google Inc either "regretting" or "apologizing" for their statement.
You're evidence should be based on something persuasive enough to refute google's claim, you are not here to proof me wrong about what google said, worst case, you will proof google wrong.
I'm more optimistic about my words, my views, don't stray out of the topic..

[Army of Pakistan]

Army of Pakistan, that is like me asking you, if the two-nation theory holds true, why are the majority of muslims still in India? Why is Kashmir still in India? Why are Chechens still under Russia? So you see this mode of questioning is fundamentally flawed and can be used against your initial position.

Pakistan only consists of ~8% Muhajirs. The Indian Muslims can stay in India, its their choosing and I'm fine withit. Jammu & Kashmir is still in India and Pakistan has made many efforts to liberate Kashmiris. India is a bigger more powerful country than Pakistan. There is only so much we can do short of a nuclear confrontation. If it weren't for the Hindu leader who went against his people wishes and sided with India, we would not be with in this situation. Pakistan has the ENTIRE Muslim world siding with Pakistan (well maybe except Afghanistan ).






Now Pashtun nationalism or ethnic issues in Pakistan is very complex. It was at the height up until the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. That is where Pashtun nationalism (or separatism to an extent) became very dormant (up until the late 90s). Now the situation has fundamentally changed and what you are seeing as a situation where the masters and creators of Pakistan are essentially seeing it as more of a liability than asset. Furthermore, Pakistan and US`s policy in the region from the 80s and 90s is backfiring...so it is basically unravelling in the Pashtun areas. Now no one really needs to nationalist to know that when you are stuck in survival mode, one has to look for alternative options. This is basically the case with Pashtuns, they have increasingly seen and see Pak ISI and policy as a negative. There is no benefit for a Pashtun in mianzanee Pashtunkhwa or elsewhere in seeing Afghanistan deteriorate or the whole fifth province nonsense of the 90s. So they look at the policy in a more antagonistic way (especially since their areas are being hammered for this policy). Basically the writ is going away from Pakistan and Pashtuns will eventually be united...the only reason they are divided is due to the cold war policies, and the great game...now since those policies have little relevance it makes little sense for them to stay. Oh and Pakistan`s ideology has basically been de-panted...you have a whole new intelligentsia in Pakistan who are shying away from it.[/QUOTE]

I understand the rise and fall of Pashtun nationalism. In time with the exception of a few hardcore etho-nationalists this be a thing of the past. Or as the Turks are doing to the Kurds this will be quelled by force. Unless you can gather a strong ORGANIZED group that can stand up to a top 15 military power in the world you are just wasting your time.




A solution to these ethnic tensions in Pakistan is for Pakistan to continue to develop and modernize ALL parts of its provinces and this will go away by itself. I will agree that Pakistan's government is full of corruption Zardari (a Sindhi) for example.

Here is a good video for you.

[Army of Pakistan]

@ Army of Pakistan,
What is your source, dude the word is out, I haven't seen a single Pakistani official on media trying to refute or HAS succeeded in Google Inc either "regretting" or "apologizing" for their statement.
You're evidence should be based on something persuasive enough to refute google's claim, you are not here to proof me wrong about what google said, worst case, you will proof google wrong.
I'm more optimistic about my words, my views, don't stray out of the topic..

I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this. You should first look at your nation's problem instead of worrying about Pakistan's internet porn searches.

[Zarawar]

I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this. You should first look at your nation's problem instead of worrying about Pakistan's internet porn searches.

I'm not going in circles with you either, you seem to be not very confident in your views...

[Army of Pakistan]

You don`t need to stand to an army to destabilize the state.

In Pakistan's case you WILL need to stand to the Army. As I said previously Government and Army/ISI mostly do not work side by side.

There are other ways of going about it. Here is the irony of your statement, normally separatists or nationalists happily worked with the civilian government, it was the army that always destabilized the government.

How destabalizing the government? More recently you may point to ousting of Nawaz Sharif, well he had to go; Pakistan was on the brink of bankruptcy and sadly stupid people still support him, or the Bhuttos. This is how Pakistan is screwed up. Pakistan needs to place an emphasis on education and work on helping the poor.

So you see Army already shoots itself in the foot in that regard. This is not some old school battlefield, this is a little more complex. You have a monster your army and intel helped feed, now some part of it is biting back. You have your allies that are impatient with you, and a broken economy. Army alone can`t save or make a state. Surely you can do better than this.

Yes some parts of this "monster" not ALL parts.

Pakistan economy is doing better. Once Pakistan is admitted to SCO, the Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul railway is fully functioning this will do wonders. Not to mention Pakistan is seeking buyers for its JF-17. Time is of the essence.