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    Karimov's policies keep marginalising and radicalising politically active Muslims. The IMU is one of the most dreadful armed groups in Pakistan's tribal zone, and hundreds of ISIL's Uzbek recruits threaten to open a new front against Uzbekistan's authoritarian leader.

    Uzbekistan: 10 years after the Andijan massacre
    Military crackdown reportedly killed hundreds and pushed the former Soviet client state back into Moscow's arms.

    Andijan, Uzbekistan - It was the biggest and bloodiest crackdown on a popular revolt in the former Soviet Union since its 1991 dissolution - and the reason why the US lost a strategic foothold in Central Asia, right next to Afghanistan.
    On May 13, 2005, Uzbek President Islam Karimov ordered his troops to open fire on thousands of protesters in the eastern Uzbek city of Andijan who had rallied against his heavy-handed policies and the arrest of 23 local businessmen on charges of Islamist extremism.
    The night before, their armed supporters had taken over a military base and rammed the gates of a prison freeing the businessmen. Inspired by the success of the recent "Tulip revolution" in neighbouring Kyrgyzstan, where massive protests had peacefully toppled an autocratic president, the group had stormed city hall and called the rally.
    RELATED: Uzbekistan's forgotten massacre
    Thousands of protesters turned up on city square urging Karimov to resign - or at least show up for talks. People took turns to address the crowd about corruption and persecution of Muslims who attended unsanctioned gatherings and mosques and were accused of hatching jihadist plans.
    What they got from Karimov was a butcher's bill.

    Karimov responded to the uprising with deadly military force [EPA]
    Troops armed with AK-47s and heavy machine guns encircled the square and opened fire, shooting more than 700 dead, including women and children, rights groups and survivors said.
    There were reports about unmarked mass graves and security officers abducting wounded people from hospitals.
    "Karimov showed that he tolerates no opposition, no revolts," Daniil Kislov, a Moscow-based Central Asia analyst, told Al Jazeera.
    Uzbek authorities claimed 187 were killed and blamed Islamists and unnamed Western powers for planning a coup. In the following months, hundreds were sentenced to up to 22 years in jail during trials critics called government-orchestrated.
    Rejecting Western criticism and demands for an international investigation, Karimov's government shut down a US military base on the Afghan border and sought closer ties with Moscow - the former "coloniser" Karimov had lambasted just weeks earlier.
    The most populous and strategically located ex-Soviet nation in Central Asia seemed lost to the West. The US and the European Union imposed an arms embargo and selective visa bans.
    Who's to blame?
    Researchers, witnesses and opposition leaders still disagree about the roots and results of the protest.
    "Karimov deliberately let the protesters seize the weapons and open the prison gates to turn a peaceful protest into a terrorist attack," Kislov said.
    Some things should be kept forgotten. The less you know, the longer you live.
    Bekhzod, elderly Uzbek man
    "All he had to do after that was to convince the international community that the 'crackdown on militants' was just."
    But a human rights advocate from Andijan - who served as a public defender for the arrested businessmen - holds a different view.
    Saidjahon Zaynabitdinov released statements condemning their trail, and was arrested a week after the uprising and sentenced to seven years in jail for allegedly supporting their cause.
    Zaynabitdinov said he thinks the uprising had long been planned and its organisers were "werewolves" who deliberately presented themselves as innocent victims of Karimov's repression.
    "It was not a spontaneous revolt or a peaceful rally," Zaynabitdinov, who was released in 2008 after almost three years in jail following an international campaign by human rights groups and Western officials, told Al Jazeera.
    The organisers "had long been getting ready for an armed action", the gaunt, gray-haired, 60-year-old said.
    Karimov's main political opponent Muhammad Solih, who ran against him in the 1991 election and now lives in Turkey, said organisers of the Andijan rally should have contacted him and other exiled Uzbek opposition leaders to work out a unified plan against Karimov's government.
    "I still regret that Andijan activists ignored political opposition and acted spontaneously, illiterately, without a clear plan," Solih told Al Jazeera.
    Islamist threat
    Ten years after the uprising, Andijan looks busy and peaceful. Locally produced cars and mini-buses zigzag the badly paved roads, men in traditional Uzbek skullcaps and women in headscarves and long dresses throng the streets.

    Residents cross the road in the eastern Uzbek city of Andijan under a portrait of President Islam Karimov [EPA]
    But the shops they pass by are often adorned with posters depicting seductive, scantily clad women, and the public consumption of vodka is known here as "drinking white tea" - waiters in restaurants serve it in teapots.
    There are no bullet holes on buildings around the empty central square where the rally took place.
    Yet, omnipresent policemen and plainclothes officers accost and interrogate anyone with a camera, and local residents refuse to talk about the massacre.
    "Some things should be kept forgotten," said an elderly man who only gave his first name, Bekhzod. "The less you know, the longer you live."
    Andijan, a city of 400,000, is the informal capital of the fertile and overpopulated Ferghana Valley, the birthplace of post-Soviet Islamism in Central Asia.
    Local governments viewed various Islamist movements as the most serious threat to their rule. In Uzbekistan, the threat was born along with the independence of the nation.
    In 1991, attackers seized a government building in the city of Namangan, neighbouring Andijan. They demanded the imposition of Islamic law across the country.
    Karimov, a former communist boss, arrived to hold talks which ended in a shouting match and no compromises. Karimov subsequently cracked down on the group.
    Some of the fighters fled to Afghanistan to establish the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU). In the late 1990s, IMU joined the Taliban and organised several incursions into Central Asia.
    Karimov's government also claimed the group masterminded a series of deadly explosions in Tashkent in 1999. It used the blasts as a pretext to crack down on religious people and opposition members and eventually jailed thousands.
    After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Uzbekistan became the first post-Soviet nation to offer its territory and airspace for NATO's military operations in Afghanistan.
    The country's strategic location outweighed Western concerns over human rights, and the US invested tens of millions in a Soviet-era airbase on the Afghan border.
    Fear still hangs over the people of Uzbekistan. They live with the knowledge that simply for speaking out, they can be shot and killed with impunity.
    Steve Swerdlow, Human Rights Watch
    International rights groups and media also claimed the CIA used an Uzbek facility for extraordinary rendition, detention, and interrogation of "terrorism" suspects.
    West softens sanctions
    In March, Karimov - who has been in power for 26 years - was re-elected in an uncontested presidential election. His government's incessant clampdown on Muslims, opposition figures, and businessmen who stand in the way of powerful clans makes Uzbekistan one of the world's most repressive and corrupt countries.
    "Fear still hangs over the people of Uzbekistan," Steve Swerdlow, Central Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch, said in a statement in early May.
    "They live with the knowledge that simply for speaking out, they can be shot and killed with impunity," Swerdlow said.
    In recent years, the US and EU allowed the sanctions that had been placed on Karimov's government to lapse, eventually softening their stance on the human rights situation.
    Germany, which still maintains a military base in the southern city of Termez, has played a large role in these developments, while Washington has been using Uzbek territory to evacuate military equipment from Afghanistan.
    "The USA describes its engagement with Uzbekistan as a policy of 'strategic patience', but it is perhaps better described as strategic indulgence," John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia director for Amnesty International, said in a statement.
    Karimov's policies keep marginalising and radicalising politically active Muslims. The IMU is one of the most dreadful armed groups in Pakistan's tribal zone, and hundreds of ISIL's Uzbek recruits threaten to open a new front against Uzbekistan's authoritarian leader.
    An Uzbek security official told Al Jazeera, an ISIL squad tried to cross the Uzbek border and clashed with border guards in early April. There has been no official report on this clash.
    "The political system Karimov has built is the largest threat to stability in Uzbekistan and in the region," analyst Kislov said.
    "After the Andijan massacre, extremists all over Central Asia found more supporters," he said. "ISIL and its threats to the region are a partial response to Karimov's perennial repressions of Muslims."

    Military crackdown reportedly killed hundreds and pushed the former Soviet client state back into Moscow's arms.

  • #2
    The softening of the sanctions is a signal that the West is giving the Karimov regime an economic lifeline to crush any revolts that spring up which will surely happen since NATO has decreased its military presence in the region.

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    • #3
      From what I've been told, and what might be true thought I can't say fully.

      1. The US plan was first to destroy Syria and occupy it (as they had done with Iraq, Afghanistan and to an extent Libya, not occupying it but destroying it) as a prelude to attacking Iran and then on to Russia and China.

      As with Afghanistan in the 80s and Libya a few years ago, radical Muslim fighters would be used in Syria - as they are e.g. Jubhat an-Nusra and the CIA-run "ISIS".



      2. Russia and China both knew this so have pledged to work with Iran and Syria, and the battle in Syria is seen as a key national survival issue for these states.

      Just as the US will perhaps even go to nuclear warfare for Syria's southern neighbour Israel, China and Russia have now decided Syria is a key strategic issue for them.

      This has manifested itself in Russia and China sending ships to the Mediterranean, the fact that China has sent ships thousands of miles away from its country is indicative of the importance it attaches to the Syrian issue.

      A lot of the posters here are enamoured by white western "official/mainstream" sources or white western writers, journalists and "experts", but are dismissive of actual facts which are either covered up or underplayed by these same white western "experts"/media. They are also dismissive of anyone who challenges the western narrative and label them a "conspiracy theorist".



      3. Ask yourself, why is it that a brutal state like the US which believes in nothing but violence, where 2 blacks are killed by the police every week, decided to back away from bombing Syria a few years ago?

      This after a much hyped propaganda campaign about how the US was going to bomb Syria as it had done Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

      Was this because as some naive fools believe due to the "goodness of their hearts"? Yes, the same US whose former foreign minister Madeline Albright said the murder of hundreds and thousands of Iraqi babies was legitimate.


      No.

      It was because the US, like any other bully, saw it dangerous to proceed with this action.

      They feared some harm to themselves?

      Which entity or two entities are capable of inflicting such harm?

      Only Russia and China.

      The same two states who sent warships to the Syrian coast at the time of this planned US attack on Syria.

      In other words the Russians and Chinese forced the US to back down to their shower of power. There are even claims, unsubstianted, that Russia threatened the US with nuclear war if Syria was attacked.






      3. Anyway the US has now brought war to Ukraine to destabilize Russia, and has shot itself in the foot as the Russian economy is now weaning itself from the treacherous west and making itself more Asian-centric and also geared towards other non-western economies, thus hurting EU economies.

      Even Newsweek recently reported that the Russian economy is doing well.


      This despite the US sanctions.

      Link: Newsweek: What Sanctions? The Russian economy is growing again.





      4. Russians know that the US will use CIA-run radical "Islamists" such as ISIS to destabilize central Asia and thus Russia.

      There is only so much Russia can do directly but the more important agenda of weakening the US by

      - De-dollarization

      - Ending the post-WW2 US-centric global order and institutions such as the IMF and replacing them


      is being fast-forwarded.





      On another note, the Wahabi/Salafi ideology (and unlike others here I know about "Salafiya" very well including the current sub-groups such as the Madakhil, Surooriyeen etc and also the proto-Wahabi Hanbalis of the past e.g. Ibn Taymiya, Barbaharee etc so not just some guy whose heard the phrase "Wahabi" On the media) is unsustainable and will not be able to continue indefinitely as it will face a strong intellectual challenge from many Muslims particularly the professional Muslim middle-classes who reject the obscurantism and extremism that it brings.







      Neo-cons planning to use their radical "Islamist" attack dogs in central Asia, but will probably end up failing as they have done in Somalia, Cuba, Georgia, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria and elsewhere.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
        From what I've been told, and what might be true thought I can't say fully.

        1. The US plan was first to destroy Syria and occupy it (as they had done with Iraq, Afghanistan and to an extent Libya, not occupying it but destroying it) as a prelude to attacking Iran and then on to Russia and China.

        As with Afghanistan in the 80s and Libya a few years ago, radical Muslim fighters would be used in Syria - as they are e.g. Jubhat an-Nusra and the CIA-run "ISIS".



        2. Russia and China both knew this so have pledged to work with Iran and Syria, and the battle in Syria is seen as a key national survival issue for these states.

        Just as the US will perhaps even go to nuclear warfare for Syria's southern neighbour Israel, China and Russia have now decided Syria is a key strategic issue for them.

        This has manifested itself in Russia and China sending ships to the Mediterranean, the fact that China has sent ships thousands of miles away from its country is indicative of the importance it attaches to the Syrian issue.

        A lot of the posters here are enamoured by white western "official/mainstream" sources or white western writers, journalists and "experts", but are dismissive of actual facts which are either covered up or underplayed by these same white western "experts"/media. They are also dismissive of anyone who challenges the western narrative and label them a "conspiracy theorist".



        3. Ask yourself, why is it that a brutal state like the US which believes in nothing but violence, where 2 blacks are killed by the police every week, decided to back away from bombing Syria a few years ago?

        This after a much hyped propaganda campaign about how the US was going to bomb Syria as it had done Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

        Was this because as some naive fools believe due to the "goodness of their hearts"? Yes, the same US whose former foreign minister Madeline Albright said the murder of hundreds and thousands of Iraqi babies was legitimate.


        No.

        It was because the US, like any other bully, saw it dangerous to proceed with this action.

        They feared some harm to themselves?

        Which entity or two entities are capable of inflicting such harm?

        Only Russia and China.

        The same two states who sent warships to the Syrian coast at the time of this planned US attack on Syria.

        In other words the Russians and Chinese forced the US to back down to their shower of power. There are even claims, unsubstianted, that Russia threatened the US with nuclear war if Syria was attacked.






        3. Anyway the US has now brought war to Ukraine to destabilize Russia, and has shot itself in the foot as the Russian economy is now weaning itself from the treacherous west and making itself more Asian-centric and also geared towards other non-western economies, thus hurting EU economies.

        Even Newsweek recently reported that the Russian economy is doing well.


        This despite the US sanctions.

        Link: Newsweek: What Sanctions? The Russian economy is growing again.





        4. Russians know that the US will use CIA-run radical "Islamists" such as ISIS to destabilize central Asia and thus Russia.

        There is only so much Russia can do directly but the more important agenda of weakening the US by

        - De-dollarization

        - Ending the post-WW2 US-centric global order and institutions such as the IMF and replacing them


        is being fast-forwarded.





        On another note, the Wahabi/Salafi ideology (and unlike others here I know about "Salafiya" very well including the current sub-groups such as the Madakhil, Surooriyeen etc and also the proto-Wahabi Hanbalis of the past e.g. Ibn Taymiya, Barbaharee etc so not just some guy whose heard the phrase "Wahabi" On the media) is unsustainable and will not be able to continue indefinitely as it will face a strong intellectual challenge from many Muslims particularly the professional Muslim middle-classes who reject the obscurantism and extremism that it brings.







        Neo-cons planning to use their radical "Islamist" attack dogs in central Asia, but will probably end up failing as they have done in Somalia, Cuba, Georgia, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria and elsewhere.
        That newsweek article is much appreciated! It was a good read. Looks like Che Guevara was correct regarding the idea that the links to the super power economy are not inextricable, and if a region (in this Case Russia) or a country is large enough, endowed enough, and has enough resolve, the people can not become susceptible to dependency on foreign aid, IMF loans, and outside powers despite the shrill cries of "its a global economy, its a fool's errand to believe one can "go it alone""
        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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        • #5
          CSTO Troops Drill Against 700-Strong Taliban Invasion Of Tajikistan

          May 20, 2015 - 3:45pm, by Joshua Kucera The Bug Pit Armenia Belarus CSTO Kazakhstan Russia Tajikistan

          CSTO Troops Drill Against 700-Strong Taliban Invasion Of Tajikistan
          Kazakhstan soldiers in southern Tajikistan for CSTO joint military exercises. (photo: CSTO)

          Russia and several of its allies have completed joint military exercises on the Tajikistan Afghanistan border, which they say was necessitated by the worsening situation in northern Afghanistan.

          The drills of the Collective Security Treaty Organization began last week and the first step was deploying the 2,500 troops, without prior notice, to the exercise site in Tajikistan's Khatlon province. According to the scenario of the exercises, "the situation on the Tajik-Afghan border seriously deteriorated. Armed groups invaded the territory of Tajikistan from the territory of Afghanistan. The Tajikistan armed forces together with other security structures carry out military operations to repel the invasion."

          Military units from the various CSTO member states carried out individual tasks: Tajikistani aircraft carried out aerial reconnaissance and identified the position of "terrorist groups" numbering 700 people.

          Then an Armenian special forces company reconnoitered the site on the ground, traveling with modified Nissan pickup trucks armed with machine guns. Then, various special forces units from Belarus, Russia, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan advanced to "capture the militants' field commander and secure the withdrawal of the Armenian reconnaissance troops."

          In the final stage, Russian and Kazakhstani bomber jets carried out air strikes on the militant positions, and drones identified targets for further artillery strikes.

          So how realistic of a scenario is this? CSTO General Secretary Nikolay Bordyuzha, observing the exercise, said "the threat from Afghanstan persists, connected with the presence of Taliban and other armed groups not controlled by Kabul, on the southern vector of the CSTO area of responsibility." He said that there were some members of ISIS alongside the Taliban forces, "which can't but be cause for concern in the heads of the CSTO member states." And he blamed NATO: "In spite of the presence of NATO forces for more than a decade in that country, the economy has not been secured in Afghanistan, a normal living standard for the population has not been restored, and there are difficulties in the military-political aspect."

          "The difficult situation in Afghanistan was one of the reasons for these snap exercises of the rapid reaction troops of the CSTO," he added.

          An unnamed official from Tajikistan intelligence services told Russian news agency TASS that the Taliban now control 80 percent of the Afghanistan province of Badakhshan, which borders the Tajikistan province of the same name. "At present, separate units of the terrorists have advanced right up to the Afghan-Tajik border and have stopped a few kilometers away from it,” the official said.

          “Proceeding from the information we have, the Taliban don’t have any plans to cross the state border into Tajikistan at the moment but nonetheless a second line of defense consisting of Tajikistani Army units has been set up along the most vulnerable sections of the border as a preventive measure," he added. A spokesman for Tajikistan's ministry of defense identified the priority sections of the border as Shakhritus, Pyanj, Khamadoni, Farkhor, Shuroabad, and Darvaza, RFE/RL reported.

          Still, assuming the Taliban were to want to advance into Tajikistan, it remains doubtful that they would do so via a 700-man invasion force, into a territory where all available evidence suggests they would have no support among the local population. Still, Russia and the CSTO seem to be thinking that a show of force can assure Central Asians that the Islamist spillover threat that their governments have been hyping is something that their security forces can handle.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
            That newsweek article is much appreciated! It was a good read. Looks like Che Guevara was correct regarding the idea that the links to the super power economy are not inextricable, and if a region (in this Case Russia) or a country is large enough, endowed enough, and has enough resolve, the people can not become susceptible to dependency on foreign aid, IMF loans, and outside powers despite the shrill cries of "its a global economy, its a fool's errand to believe one can "go it alone""
            What has an Akhwani adherent to do with Che Guevara?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Toramana View Post
              What has an Akhwani adherent to do with Che Guevara?
              More to do than the minority sect subversive who went from wanting to have Najib's baby to wanting to have W Bush's when it suited him.
              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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              • #8
                Bengal_Tiger where does the termination of the NATO northern route agreement fit into this development?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                  Bengal_Tiger where does the termination of the NATO northern route agreement fit into this development?
                  Don't really know.

                  Haven't really read much about this.

                  My assumption it's very little to do with Afghanistan itself but basically Russian retaliation for US aggression in Ukraine.

                  As for Afghanistan itself there's no way the Russians want the Taliban to rule there and this recent military exercise was a message to the Taliban and the US that they won't accept destabilization of central Asia.

                  The CSTO is like a NATO type organization.

                  Unfortunately Tajikistan is ruled by a very Islamophobic regime.

                  I am against the extreme fundamentalism of the Taliban but also the militant Islamophobic secularism of the Tajik regime too. Moderation is the answer.
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                  • #10
                    I agree with you on that Bengal_Tiger.

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