ISI chief again in kabul

[Al-Afghani]

Through China you can trade with Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan which are both the poorest CARs.

[marwat]

but they are also barren tundra land, we will sell them agricultural products from indus breadbasket, it is why midwest of america is known as breadbasket of america, moreover we will get cut for any supplies travelling through Pak into India

ghani saying that they will not allow pakistan to have equal access to CAR countries means traffic will be dictated from CAR to use chabahar port instead of crossing chaman or torkham. Afghanistan will have clear monopoly.

[marwat]

Through China you can trade with Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan which are both the poorest CARs.

yes their GDP is even less than Afghanistan and population less than FATA.

[tripledouble]

Through China you can trade with Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan which are both the poorest CARs.

rich in resources

[Toramana]

Kazakistan is already a breadbasket. It is an exporter of wheat. And Uzbakistan has cotton. China doesn't give access access to the broader Central Asia. Besides the route is not all weather and not economically viable.

[Azmal]

I consider this mistake on Ghani part to have plunged into the tension that exists between India and Pakistan. he sets an ultimatum for Pakistan to open up the border but pakistan will not do that until the Indian government shows more flexibility on talks regarding Kashmir. everyone know that. The complex equation of IndoPak is not something an Afghans can really tackle, and they shouldn't really try to tackle it because it is beyond them. Ghani need to make bilateral ties with both and should not try to extend it into a trilateral relationship.

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard, you Paki apologist never fail to surprise me--your buddy Khushal was preaching we Afghan accepts Durrand line. I mean when a client gov like Taliban refused--why in earth we do it now? Fact of matter is Pakis see Afghanistan as extension of their Indian policy not the other way around.
Despite what we hear in news relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Kabul’s position as remain the same as during Karzai government: that the survival of the Taliban insurgency depends in part on the choices made by the Pakistani security establishment. Ghani during his speak to US congress state it explicitly “the problem, fundamentally, is not about peace with Taliban. The problem is fundamentally about peace between Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

Call me crazy, but in this stage of game, peace is NOT in Afghanistan interest. What we will gain from peace? Do we Afghans want our children to continue be on guard against evil that could sprang across Durrand and burn us in ashes? While ISIL/Taliban is in transition to be moved to central Asia, time is ripe to upping the antics against Pakistan. Channel help to Baloch freedom fighters, and help other groups that can damage Paki gov. The same zero sum game Pakistan played against us—blow up factories, bridges, electricity poles and etc. While at the same time make the foreigners minster condemn the acts---just as pakis been doing. While Afghanistan survived all these blood and cry, weak gov, no gov during civil war while all groups were based on ethnic kinship but all were busy fighting for share/power in gov not secession. In fact there has never been a secessionist movement in history of Afghanistan. On other hand the only force that keeps Pakistan together(other than being a lapdog of west and doing their bidding just as their forefather being doing during British Raj) is the military---you weaken the military and Pakistan state will burst like a bubble.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Good security relations will be good if Pakistan was a normal country who at least wanted peace in the region, but they don't want that, they want weak Afghanistan and themself be the big bitch in the neighborhood like we live in the mughal times or something. This is not working, Pakistan don't want stability its a parasite that trieves on insecurity and missary of others.
This is just a facade, after 40 years every one know that pakis can not be trusted. Your dog will come talk and fart and will go back and send even more terrorist in to Afghanistan.

I don't need to prove to you but sorry you have no way other than having good relations with us.

And why will Pakistan need to send terrorist into Afghanistan?be honest don't you think Afghanistan has considerable larger numbers of terrorists as compared to in pakistan?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard, you Paki apologist never fail to surprise me--your buddy Khushal was preaching we Afghan accepts Durrand line. I mean when a client gov like Taliban refused--why in earth we do it now? Fact of matter is Pakis see Afghanistan as extension of their Indian policy not the other way around.
Despite what we hear in news relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Kabul’s position as remain the same as during Karzai government: that the survival of the Taliban insurgency depends in part on the choices made by the Pakistani security establishment. Ghani during his speak to US congress state it explicitly “the problem, fundamentally, is not about peace with Taliban. The problem is fundamentally about peace between Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

Call me crazy, but in this stage of game, peace is NOT in Afghanistan interest. What we will gain from peace? Do we Afghans want our children to continue be on guard against evil that could sprang across Durrand and burn us in ashes? While ISIL/Taliban is in transition to be moved to central Asia, time is ripe to upping the antics against Pakistan. Channel help to Baloch freedom fighters, and help other groups that can damage Paki gov. The same zero sum game Pakistan played against us—blow up factories, bridges, electricity poles and etc. While at the same time make the foreigners minster condemn the acts---just as pakis been doing. While Afghanistan survived all these blood and cry, weak gov, no gov during civil war while all groups were based on ethnic kinship but all were busy fighting for share/power in gov not secession. In fact there has never been a secessionist movement in history of Afghanistan. On other hand the only force that keeps Pakistan together(other than being a lapdog of west and doing their bidding just as their forefather being doing during British Raj) is the military---you weaken the military and Pakistan state will burst like a bubble.

Pakistan-Afghanistan border is already recognized by most of the world unlike Kashmir which is considered a disputed territory.

So this card doesn't work against Pakistan.

To make it more simple for you

*Your already supporting baloch insurgents,infact the guy with name friendofbaloch in the forum after killing 2 people in kalat escaped to Afghanistan and was supported by NDS,Later with the help of uzair baloch he got irani citizenship and left for australia.

Baloch movement is long dead and will be further weakened with the development of CPEC and further division of Balochistan into smaller provinces (Southern pakhtunkhwa,central balochistan,lasbela and gwadar)

*Once again,NDS is already helping TTP including the fazlullah and khorsani brothers.This is not a secret anymore but despite all this,check out the fatalities of this year(lowest since 2006).

*Factories has their own securities,Bridges can't be destroyed unless you have some powerful explosives,electricity poles?really?

At the end of the day,you can't give economic damage to Pakistan

*i am forced to believe that you watch indian think tanks views on Pakistan.Sorry but Pakistan has evolved much from just kept together by military or Islam though don't mind you thinking otherwise.

The reason for the above is that at the end of the day,Pakistan has emerged victorious from its worst period (2007-13).

Today in 2015,terorrism is declining in Pakistan,Economic recovery is faster than expected,relations with the west improving and many projects including CPEC in line.

So Pakistan will somehow recover but i want Afghanistan to recover as well.

You can't give damage to Pakistan,so why not join hand together against terrorism?

[marwat]

And why will Pakistan need to send terrorist into Afghanistan?be honest don't you think Afghanistan has considerable larger numbers of terrorists as compared to in pakistan?

please answer this question for yourself, pakistan is considered the hub of terrorist , almost every culprit involved in international terrorism was traced to pakistan. every terrorist completed there training in waziristan.
on a quick note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakista...ored_terrorism

[Khostai]

I don't need to prove to you but sorry you have no way other than having good relations with us.

And why will Pakistan need to send terrorist into Afghanistan?be honest don't you think Afghanistan has considerable larger numbers of terrorists as compared to in pakistan?

We have a way and we are executing it now.

[Kushan Prince]

Even with temporary calm, in the region, Afghanistan will then again burst into chaos over talks over the durand line with pakistan.

The point is Afghans won't be at peace until the durand line fiasco is settled.