Separatists in Balochistan

[Yousufzai]

but why were the oppresed oppressed in the first place an why were the oppressing oppressing in the first place?did chicken come first or egg?who fire first?or nobody fired at all?this all questions neither side understand, dis wat i call "pakiception".

I don't understand what you're trying to say. The Baloch are marginalized and oppressed because they're a minority who live in a region that no one cares about.

[Kushan Prince]

I was watching a documentary where it was mentioned that only the main Baluch tribes like the bugti, marri and mengal want indpendnace while other balochis are content with Pakistan. I think that's why Baluch sardars are reaching out to India and Israel for help since they have less support from other Baluch tribes.

[tripledouble]

A person from my home town told me that he was traveling from DG Khan to Balochistan , their bus was stopped by Baloch rebels, he was spared because he was pashtun while Punjabis were shot. Now i have also read some news article that pashtun labourers were killed by BLA in gwader or khuzdar area but those might be exceptional cases. Their policy seem to be killing punjabis who are found on their lands. The problem with such tactics, is that your movement lose sympathy.

they are also killing Punjabi/Hindkowan settlers in Balochistan, most of these settlers moved there in early 1900s, they were posted by British govt for work in Quetta and other cantoments pre partition, these settlers have been there for 3-4 generations, many born n raised there, i even know some who learned balochi.

Many of these so called Punjabi settlers getting killed are actually Hindko-speakers or Gojri-speakers from Mansehra,Batagram,Abbotabad or Seraiki-speaking from DG Khan etc or even Urdu-speaking mahajir from karachi or lahore, but most getting killed are Hindkowan, they call us Punjabi cause they don't know difference between hindkowan,potohari,punjabi,seraiki etc

I know Urdu-speaking girl from quetta who's family been living there since 60s who told me her brother got kidnapped by BLA rebels, even though they are not punjabi.

so 'punjabi' is just label by rebels for any non-pashtun/baloch, or anyone loyal to Pak army.

I have watched the video on youtube, of Pakistani aerial bombardment on dera bugti in 2006, with civilian deaths shown lying in debris, including kids. Very few people are aware of that, it seems Pakistan also use air force on Baloch population and there is truth in claims of Baloch rebels. India has never used Air force against insurgents in Kashmir.

India may never use airforce there but they still 90,000+ kashmiris and 10,000 + missing with 10,000 kids orphaned and girls raped, they just used brute force, that's why deathtoll is higher there than in Balochistan, you only focus on means of destruction and not the toll but i know you are biased, i read your comments on defence.pk and other forums where you are multi-banned troll, i never understand you luffy urf marwati urf michin khel urf smarty urf marwat urf samandari

[MENTION=18203]Yousufzai[/MENTION] is there are geographical reason why nobody cares about that region and those people?Balochistan also happens to be poorest most deprived area in Iran, it's also poorest and most deprived area in Afghanistan, and during British times, also during rule of Abdali, it was also a poor desert with sheep herding nomads, i don't think discrimination is ethnic but to do with it's geology and climate.

[tripledouble]

I was watching a documentary where it was mentioned that only the main Baluch tribes like the bugti, marri and mengal want indpendnace while other balochis are content with Pakistan. I think that's why Baluch sardars are reaching out to India and Israel for help since they have less support from other Baluch tribes.

that's true, but mengals have been most submissive, i have friend from nushki of mengal tribe and he say's they are not fully supportive of separation, and even among Bugtis they have divisions among themselves. Bugtis were usually pro-Pak, they turned around only recently.

The most fearsome tribe are the Marris, i admire their hostility and bravery, they were only baloch tribe to resist british and even Pakistan through history, even though i oppose their seccessnism but i still like their warlike nature.

[Smarty]

I was watching a documentary where it was mentioned that only the main Baluch tribes like the bugti, marri and mengal want indpendnace while other balochis are content with Pakistan. I think that's why Baluch sardars are reaching out to India and Israel for help since they have less support from other Baluch tribes.

Thats not correct, Baloch separatists are very active in central and South Balochistan districts like Khuzdar, Kharan, Turbat, Panjgor and Mekran. Marris and Bugtis, operate in north-western Balochistan and are called Suleimani Balochs. They are just simple tribal warriors, who are also very quick to lay down their weapons while the ones down south are ideologically very firm in their separatist movement and would die for their cause.

[Smarty]

India may never use airforce there but they still 90,000+ kashmiris and 10,000 + missing with 10,000 kids orphaned and girls raped, they just used brute force, that's why deathtoll is higher there than in Balochistan, you only focus on means of destruction and not the toll but i know you are biased, i read your comments on defence.pk and other forums where you are multi-banned troll, i never understand you luffy urf marwati urf michin khel urf smarty urf marwat urf samandari

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Well rape is sort of culture of Indians/Hindus while the rest of the tactics are also used by Pakistani state in Balochistran, though on low scale due to lower intensity of the insurgency. I dont understand why Pak military was using air force on town of dera bugti?, its not that they couldnt be tackled through ground operation.......it was state terrorism and the aim was to terrorize the local population, teaching a lesson to them in Musharaf words. Bugti sahab was under their radar ever since he protested against the rape of a female doctor, shazia khalid by a fauji captain in Sui plant.

[tripledouble]

Well rape is sort of culture of Indians/Hindus while the rest of the tactics are also used by Pakistani state in Balochistran, though on low scale due to lower intensity of the insurgency. I dont understand why Pak military was using air force on town of dera bugti?, its not that they couldnt be tackled through ground operation.......it was state terrorism and the aim was to terrorize the local population, teaching a lesson to them in Musharaf words. Bugti sahab was under their radar ever since he protested against the rape of a female doctor, shazia khalid by a fauji captain in Sui plant.

Most Bugti tribespeople had migrated to dg khan and rajanpur, they were allowed to evacuate and they mostly died from IEDs planted by rebels

[Smarty]

Most Bugti tribespeople had migrated to dg khan and rajanpur, they were allowed to evacuate and they mostly died from IEDs planted by rebels

I was talking about this

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpiq0f_dera-bugti-balochistan-war-17-03-2005-full_news

[tripledouble]

I was talking about this
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpi...2005-full_news

i didn't see any bombardment like you were claiming, it looks like firing or shelling from gunships, that's why damage and death toll was little.

if it was a bombardment then there would huge craters everywhere and nobody would even survive

[Yousufzai]

@Yousufzai is there are geographical reason why nobody cares about that region and those people?Balochistan also happens to be poorest most deprived area in Iran, it's also poorest and most deprived area in Afghanistan, and during British times, also during rule of Abdali, it was also a poor desert with sheep herding nomads, i don't think discrimination is ethnic but to do with it's geology and climate.

It doesn't matter whether the discrimination has historically been due to geographic reasons or not, because it's still discrimination and I would understand why someone would be tired of it, and plus, it has clearly taken on an ethnic form now, if you hear the way Punjabis, Urdu-speaking Muhajirs, and even some Pashtuns talk about the Baloch.

India may never use airforce there but they still 90,000+ kashmiris and 10,000 + missing with 10,000 kids orphaned and girls raped, theyust used brute force, that's why deathtoll is higher there than in Balochistan, you only focus on means of destruction and not the toll but i know you are biased, i read your comments on defence.pk and other forums where you are multi-banned troll, i never understand you luffy urf marwati urf michin khel urf smarty urf marwat urf samandari

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't see what Kashmir has to do with this issue. And if you want to talk about Kashmir like this, then in order to be honest people instead of hypocrites, we'd have to ask the same questions about Balochistan. How many thousands of Baloch were killed by the Pakistani state not only since 2005, but in 1948, 1958, 1963, and 1973? And what of the thousands of missing students and activists? Why have nonviolent political workers like Zahid Baloch been kidnapped by security forces? Why are mass graves being uncovered every now and then? It should be clear to anyone who is minimally honest that ever since the creation of Pakistan, serious human rights abuses have been committed by authorities in Balochistan.