Farkhunda: Why a secular Afghanistan is needed

[Happy Khan]

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[khushal]

First of all there is no proof that she burned anything at all. Its all accusations.

Second, show me a credible source that says Islam sanctions the hanging of someone that has burnt any literature.

Third, all your claims are nonsense. None of it is true.
Iran has a more democratic system compared to the secular arab tyrants that rule their nations.
capital punishment exists in those arab secular societies and also in secular america.


Most of you guys are morons.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Imagine if Farkhunda had not just burnt a taveez but actually burnt the Quran, under Afghanistan's non-secular laws she would still be hanged. The problems with a religious state are many but can be listed as the following:
1) Other religions are crushed
2) Different Sects are crushed e.g. Shia laws vs Sunni laws
3) Moral Policing e.g. is it really the job of the state to tell us what to wear or when to have sex
4) Capital Punishment
]5) Democracy vs Authoritarian Mullahism

Many of these prevalent in secular countries as well.

There are legal restrictions on age of consent; which is essentially a form of policing people's sexual behavior. I'm not saying I disagree with the law; but it falls under "moral policing"

I think your argument only makes sense if you're arguing against the STATE entirely because the Nature of a STATE is to regulate over the behavior of those under its authority.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

You don't even need to look to Arab secular states;

America, India, Russia, and China all have moral policing and capital punishment.

The Problem isn't an Islamic Vs. Secular State ...the problem is THE STATE itself. This is why nationalism doesn't work in any form because it almost ways involves A STATE and states by nature dictate over people's lives.

[khushal]

You don't even need to look to Arab secular states;

America, India, Russia, and China all have moral policing and capital punishment.

The Problem isn't an Islamic Vs. Secular State ...the problem is THE STATE itself. This is why nationalism doesn't work in any form because it almost ways involves A STATE and states by nature dictate over people's lives.

Tis the reason why less government is better government.

But his claims are all baseless. The irony is that his argument is that it should be "his way," and not the "way of others," whoever they may be.

[khushal]

1) Whether Islam teaches hanging or not the fact remains that "Islamic republics" punish Blasphemy and that should not be for a society to have Freedom of Speech

2) In Iran the real power still lies with the Ayatollah, Arab tyrants also use religious law [Saudia Arabia, Qatar etc]

3) USA is an odd ball compared to Secular European Countries where the death penalty is illegal.

you have not provided any credible source like I asked for.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

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3) USA is an odd ball compared to Secular European Countries where the death penalty is illegal.

USA is the largest, most powerful and influential secular state in the world; they're the first measure for all secular states.

and what of China, India etc. Both secular, both use capital punishment.

Clearly you didn't think before posting.

[Khostai]

First of all there is no proof that she burned anything at all. Its all accusations.

Second, show me a credible source that says Islam sanctions the hanging of someone that has burnt any literature.

Third, all your claims are nonsense. None of it is true.
Iran has a more democratic system compared to the secular arab tyrants that rule their nations.
capital punishment exists in those arab secular societies and also in secular america.


Most of you guys are morons.

The only thing that was not true was the capital punishment, that does not depend on the state being Islamic or secular, all the others are true.

[Khostai]

Afghans do need more secularim, in their education and and laws, Afgans should understand that a human live has more value than a piece of paper, burning one quran does not damage Islam, being an atheist does not make Islam go away. Its clearly shows that under secular society burning a human being under such stupid accusation never would happen, if the people would be more open and free in their mind.

[Khostai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3iwEfrQ00

[khushal]

Afghans do need more secularim, in their education and and laws, Afgans should understand that a human live has more value than a piece of paper, burning one quran does not damage Islam, being an atheist does not make Islam go away. Its clearly shows that under secular society burning a human being under such stupid accusation never would happen, if the people would be more open and free in their mind.

Did you forget about hitler who was secular. He was burning jews alive.

You are using selective history to fit your narrative.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I'm not against a more critically thinking society, call that secular if you want, but I think people should be living by their own conscience without state intervention ....secular or not. I would be opposed to modeling society after Western liberalism & KSA/Iran/Taliban.

[Kushan Prince]

Afghans do need more secularim, in their education and and laws, Afgans should understand that a human live has more value than a piece of paper, burning one quran does not damage Islam, being an atheist does not make Islam go away. Its clearly shows that under secular society burning a human being under such stupid accusation never would happen, if the people would be more open and free in their mind.

Screw you and your secularism.

[Badlun]

I'm not against a more critically thinking society, call that secular if you want, but I think people should be living by their own conscience without state intervention ....secular or not. I would be opposed to modeling society after Western liberalism & KSA/Iran/Taliban.

What is the role of education to bring proper change in the behavior of people. Can state educate its citizens? Can state promulgate a set of laws to regulate and introduce discipline in society or state of nature is the best state?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

We don't need state or nation to accomplish any of those things. In fact state is the biggest barrier to progress because it relies on monopoly of power.

"democracy" is a contradiction because people cannot have power if the state is what delineates or regulates power. True "Democracy" is stateless. This is why all nationalism is intrinsically subjugating of the people it presides over.