What If America Had Never Invaded Afghanistan?[

[Badlun]

can the US stop the flow of dollars to pakistan for supporting terrorists?
why every westren country support pakistan?
do,nt they know what game pakistan playing?



They are not stuped but this is settled game .
Terrorists are the assets of US and pakistan.

Who are the terrorists? If they are assets of others then who they themselves are? USA and Pakistan are the owners but who are the slaves?

[khushal]

Who are the terrorists? If they are assets of others then who they themselves are? USA and Pakistan are the owners but who are the slaves?

You Badlun would be the house slave of the American master and Toramana would be the house slave of the Russian Master while your people in the field suffer.

[khushal]

Compare East Germany of that time and today's East Germany as part of Germany. Remember the joy when Berlin wall was destroyed. Look how Ukraine is desperate to join EU. Compare today;s Poland with that Poland which was part of USSR.

East Germany is probably the only country that benefited because they joined West Germany and West Germany build them up and absorbed them into their strong economy. The rest of Eastern Europe was not so lucky. I am not going to take your word for it because your word is worthless but the people that actually live there and have lived through it is what counts.

http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

China is surviving on capitalism in economy but very soon they will have to change the one party [political dictatorship.

Yes, like I said, China is doing it the correct way. Introducing reforms slowly. Educating its people to new reforms as they adapt to them. Making them ready before they actually bring change.

China is becoming a World Superpower, so you should look at how they got to this point. Well phase one was Moa kicking the foreign powers out. Phase 2 was unite the country and establish complete sovereignty and never compromise on that sovereignty. Step 3 is countries all over the world will start kissing your arse especially the weak, incompetent, corrupt, house slave minded leaders that sell their people like yourself and Toramana.

[Azmal]

That is not a good example. Thats like saying Iran had no internet under the Shah but they do under the mullahs of today. Afghanistan in the 90's was a destroyed country. The Taliban inherited it. The things you mention come with time, no one can stop progress.
What do you to the guy whose land was taken from him by force by warlords with guns. How are you going to attract foreign investment when foreign investors are too afraid to build a factory because some warlord would take it from him by force. Can the current Afghan gov protect people's capital, no, because the main predator is the Afghan gov who is ruled by corrupt warlords.

The main problem in the country is not the insurgency as people like you like to point out. The main problem in the country are the warlords, the same warlords that destroyed the country back in the 90's. It is an oxymoron to think that warlords(that is basically the afghan gov today) who take property by force can actually administer the country in a progressive manner. The insurgency is a reaction to an inept afghan gov. If the Afghan gov was of the people, by the people, for the people, an insurgency would not exist.

you are wrong to think the American are not responsible for the security of the afghan nation. It is international law that the the occupiers are responsible for the security of the occupied. If the occupiers can not provide the security, then they should leave.

A Hakmatyar supporter complaining about warlords? Warlords were used as arm of foreigner powers to further their interest, with central government becoming more able and stronger the warlords are toast. Ex…Ismahil khan---even his Iranian sugar daddies could not do jack, he will die in few years and future generation will not even know if there was a thug named Ismahil.

[Azmal]

No that is absolute nonsense. PDPA were sincere people that wanted to change the lot of their country men and society who had been left in the black hole of time like fossilized creatures due to the policies of that despicable monarchy and the feudal culture brewing under its patronage that were dragging feet on reforms.

And what did your heroes and saviors did? I mean the so-called Mujahideen and their successors and their international patrons and backers. The savages destroyed every single sign of culture whereas their morally bankrupt dehumanized international backers watched and rejoiced over the efficacy of their strategy to defeat their foe through proxies.

And are you not committing the same sin you are blaming the PDPA for by advocating to be a client of foreign interests?

The culture you refer to and even the well organized Afghan army was created by monarch, the Parchami and Khalqi were nothing more or less than a bunch of vulgar who sold their dignity and honor to an ambiguous cause called the USSR. In fact it was sob PDPA that killed more than 50 thousands intellectual and educated mass just because they did not believed in communism. Not to forget the PDPA leaders were all KGB agents. :

“Some of the KGB agents became adherents of Marxism-Leninism and a few became
active in the International Communist and Workers' Movement with the help of the organs. One
such agent was Nur Muhammad Taraki,18 codename ‘Nur.’ He became an agent in 1951 and
was in contact with the following operatives in the Kabul Residency.”

“Another agent, Babrak Karmal (codename 'Marid') together with ‘Makhmui,’
‘Akbar’ and ‘Khuma,’19 established a group with communist leanings called Parcham.” KGB in Afghanistan

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/publicat...gb-afghanistan

Even smart PDPA members like Suliman Lahiq admits to their stupidity.
US Central statistical organization states that during late 70s Afghanistan had only 20 thousands workers there were working in few factors across Afghanistan while there was no worker union or any organized worker platforms, while during same times there were more then 320K mullahs, Talibs and religion people--pir, syed, etc across Afghanistan! Yet PDPA wanted to underminet he religion people on behaf of workers lol ahhha What follow the brutality and stupidity of PDPA was the Mujahdeen agained the mass support they can only dream off. Ahmad Shah Massod admits to this fact during his interview in 1999, how he was chased by people of Punjshir when Pakistan send him to create unrest while after PDPA took over and brutality murdered Afghans the same people of Punjshir brought their sons to join him.

Indeed, in the USSR , everyone was a slave to the Soviet apparatchik, including the Russian people. Given this, only fools could have expected otherwise from dreams of dependence to Moscow. This included those graciously succumbing to serfdom through the mirage in Kabul’s relative comfort, with their only complaint directed at the odd noise from those valuing their liberty. In the USA or Australia on the other hand, people are respected as individuals first and foremost in the eyes of the law. Owing to the resilience of their civil maturity, I can read the Quran, go to the Mosque, criticize the leadership, enter University or seek ways to create wealth, while people in my name and my religion attack these people. If you are of sound mind and health, I don’t think I need to elaborate any further as to how utterly st.upid you sound while comparing the USSR to the USA. I only celebrate the fact that these people are helping to extend all that’s worked well for them in war battered Afghanistan.

[Azmal]

ok,if thats the case then the US should stay in afghanistan for forever.
Everyone has its own view.
Religious and secterains problems are everywhere in the M/E and as far as afghanistan and pakistan.
The saudis,iranians and pakistan are busy in this game.
US till this day need terrorists .
The question is still the same did the US brought peace here?
no
If pakistan is supporting terrorists then why US funding and arming master of terror pakistan?
Do,nt they know ,,isi,,training and funding terrorists?
If saudis are supporting extremists then why the US enjoy great relation with saudis?



How can afghan bring peace into the country when they have no good weapons,funds etc?
The US spending billions on this so called war on terror right so think about it if they spend that money on afghan army,roads,new routs and supporting afghan industries.

Dose it make sense to shower bombs on civiliains to chase an enemy of carrying ak 47 and rocket launchers?

Dose it make sense to bomb the civilains of waziristan for supporting terrorists(THE CIVILAINS ARE VICTIMS) and not bombing the training camps in southren punjab?
Can they bomb GHQ?
Can they bomb ,,isi,,HQ?

I’m sorry but this is so emotional thinking--typical Afghan thinking. The problem with us Afghans are that we think with our emotional, we want US to bomb GHQ, ISI HQ and what not...with ground realities are with China sugar daddies, and the automatic weapon, US option of what can be done or not is limited. The US does have the means or abilities to hurt Pakistan but at the end US has her own interest…mind you American did not come to Afghanistan to safe Afghans or Afghanistan but for her own interest.
What we as poorest country with emotional and religious fanatics people(when a western draws a cartoon---10 people in Afghanistan dies protesting it—that should tell you state of mind of our people.) can do is make sure not to become dog fight ground of powers. For over 40 years Afghan blood were cashed in Pashtonistan and Afghanistan by Punjabis, US intervention in region allows us a hope to change this miserable condition…our leaders and people must be prudent enough to use this opportunity.

[Khostai]

You Badlun would be the house slave of the American master and Toramana would be the house slave of the Russian Master while your people in the field suffer.

Says the field slave who thinks he is a free man. The best slaves are the ones who think they are free. And you khushal are one of those.

[Azmal]

Says the field slave who thinks he is a free man. The best slaves are the ones who think they are free. And you khushal are one of those.

LOL in modern term being free is subjective, it’s like ISIS and Taliban, they talk about freedom but at the end the do the biding of same people they claim to fight.

[Khostai]

LOL in modern term being free is subjective, it’s like ISIS and Taliban, they talk about freedom but at the end the do the biding of same people they claim to fight.

Most of the shariah lovers have the bigest slave mentality of them all. They are so slave minded that they need a dictator that will tell them how to dress how to sit how to eat and even how to take shi.t. They have totaly no sence of self direction. The bigest slaves are ISIS and Taliban and their supporters like khushal. Becuase they will destroy anything just to bring theocratic dictatorship in place becuase that is the only way they will feel safe and at home.

[Azmal]

Most of the shariah lovers have the bigest slave mentality of them all. They are so slave minded that they need a dictator that will tell them how to dress how to sit how to eat and even how to take shi.t. They have totaly no sence of self direction. The bigest slaves are ISIS and Taliban and their supporters like khushal. Becuase they will destroy anything just to bring theocratic dictatorship in place becuase that is the only way they will feel safe and at home.

In my opinion in Muslim societies, the role of the Mullah should not be to police our moral behavior, but rather, to work on propagating the faith through active debate and written persuasion. There is positive correlation between freedom and economic prosperity. A lack of freedom is precisely why Muslim nations are in an eternal state of coma. It’s about time we all woke up