General Hamid Gul with his daughter

[Toramana]

[Toramana]

This Paki with gutter mentality like ghumbasa is liking Taleban rule for Afg and KP while his own daughter looks exactly like *****.

[ghumbasa]

This Paki with gutter mentality like ghumbasa is liking Taleban rule for Afg and KP while his own daughter looks exactly like *****.

Shpito shi no vishto shi...avya shi no chutya shi...
Stop giving my examples and relating to others.Work on your senility.

[khushal]

This Paki with gutter mentality like ghumbasa is liking Taleban rule for Afg and KP while his own daughter looks exactly like *****.

stop insulting member .
what toramana said ?
Did he attack you or others.
Let him express his views.

It is not as black and white as you try to make it seem. There are complex dynamics at play. Pakistan would support anyone with an anti india policy. If there was another viable group with such a policy, Pakistan would support them in a heart beat. Pakistan would never let go of the Taliban because they can not. It is not a choice for them.

In reality Pakistan has no choice but to support the Taliban. They need the Taliban more than the Taliban need Pakistan which is why the Afghan Taliban is in collusion with the TTP to attack Pakistani military targets. They are playing a double game with the Pakistanis just like Pakistani army has played a double game the US.

All this talk about Pakistan abandoning "good Taliban, bad Taliban" policy is all smoke screen. Its as if the US would ever abandon the Pak army. The pak army is the best entity that serves US interests in the region and the TAliban are the best entity that serves the Pak army's interests ie keeping india out of Afghanistan.

[ComradePashtun]

Rubish. Afghan Taliban are idiots and in thrall of the ISI. The top echelon are under house arrest of the ISI. I am yet to see a good example of their independence. Honestly. Fvck them, they have been a massive calamity and have politically failed Pashtuns in particular on a massive scale.

[khushal]

It is you that have failed Pashtuns by siding with foreign interests instead of your people interests. The proof is int he pudding. Your gov is bought and sold by all regional players including that pakistanis who bomb Kunar daily without reprecussions, iranians who take all the water they want from the east, russians, and the yanks. It is why you are a failure.

You had a trillion dollars at your disposal and what have you accomplished besides your own people hating you.

[ComradePashtun]

Typical response from douchebag Khushal! Happy new year.

[khushal]

you are too stupid to respond to the question. you can not defend your failure. New year comes in the Spring for afghans. See how little you know about your people.

[Badlun]

It is you that have failed Pashtuns by siding with foreign interests instead of your people interests. The proof is int he pudding. Your gov is bought and sold by all regional players including that pakistanis who bomb Kunar daily without reprecussions, iranians who take all the water they want from the east, russians, and the yanks. It is why you are a failure.

You had a trillion dollars at your disposal and what have you accomplished besides your own people hating you.

If I compare foreign interest of the developed world as USA and that of Arab desert AlQaeda in the form of Taliban, then I prefer the development, democracy, human rights and happiness. For me both Taliban and others are foreigners. Taliban cannot guard my national interest.

[khushal]

If I compare foreign interest of the developed world as USA and that of Arab desert AlQaeda in the form of Taliban, then I prefer the development, democracy, human rights and happiness. For me both Taliban and others are foreigners. Taliban cannot guard my national interest.

You have no rights in Afghanistan. You are an American, your rights are in america. Your job and duty is to develop the country you reside in. People like you and me have ran away from Afghanistan.
Let the Afghans that have fought and have shed their blood for the land develop it the way they want. The fact is the Taliban represent the tribal Pashtun which are the majority of the people. Let them be and let them live the way they want. You have no right to tell them how to live.

[Al-Afghani]

The anti India policy is too narrow. There is indeed more at play
- Taliban opened up Afghanistan as a gateway for gas and trade to the central Asian republics. For example, Abdul Raziq's father was killed by the Talibs after he blocked Col. Imam's 30 truck convoy to Turkmenistan.
- while the Talibs don't recognize the Durand Line, they have never had a military conflict about it with the Pakis, unlike nationalist leaders as Daud Khan. The ISI correctly believe that Islamist Pashtuns are more interested in Ummah than Pashtunistan.

[Toramana]

If I compare foreign interest of the developed world as USA and that of Arab desert AlQaeda in the form of Taliban, then I prefer the development, democracy, human rights and happiness. For me both Taliban and others are foreigners. Taliban cannot guard my national interest.

How many dollars have foreign NGOs given you for this relentless propaganda for foreign interests on the forum? We are not that affluent but may give you some pennies if you stop this boring repetitive orchestrated mantra. Thanks.

[Toramana]

You have no rights in Afghanistan. You are an American, your rights are in america. Your job and duty is to develop the country you reside in. People like you and me have ran away from Afghanistan.
Let the Afghans that have fought and have shed their blood for the land develop it the way they want. The fact is the Taliban represent the tribal Pashtun which are the majority of the people. Let them be and let them live the way they want. You have no right to tell them how to live.

Herein lies the hypocrisy of the people of your kind. You yourself have run away to a foreign country to escape Taleban brutality and the social backwardness that their rule causes while are liking the same thing for the folks back home.

Shame on you Khushal.

In principle I agree with you that one should make one's own decision but to say that that decision making should be lead by a barbaric savage fringe group is too much of dishonesty.

We want to decide for ourselves without foreign influence but want to be modern and civilized.

[khushal]

The anti India policy is too narrow. There is indeed more at play
- Taliban opened up Afghanistan as a gateway for gas and trade to the central Asian republics. Abdul Raziq's father was killed by the Talibs after he blocked Col. Imam 30 truck convoy to Turkmenistan.
- while the Talibs don't recognize the Durand Line, they have never had a military conflict about it with the Pakis, unlike nationalist leaders like Daud Khan. The ISI correctly believe that Islamist Pashtuns are more interested in Ummah than Pashtunistan.

Well, India also wants a gateway to central Asia. I need sources for the Col Imam truck convoy. The people that would block such a convoy would be the NA. At the time that Abdul Raziqs father was hanged, northern Afghanistan was ruled by the NA. Besides Abdul Raziqs father was famous for taking bribes. Why kill him when you can bribe him.


Ummah is just an old phrase for federation. Many regions in the World are creating federations because it is the only way to compete against other large blocs ie EU, the Chinese federations, the US federation, the Russian federation, even latin and south America are working to create economic blocs.

[khushal]

Herein lies the hypocrisy of the people of your kind. You yourself have run away to a foreign country to escape Taleban brutality and the social backwardness that their rule causes while are liking the same thing for the folks back home.

Shame on you Khushal.

In principle I agree with you that one should make one's own decision but to say that that decision making should be lead by a barbaric savage fringe group is too much of dishonesty.

We want to decide for ourselves without foreign influence but want to be modern and civilized.

My father left after Daud was killed. He was more of a Daudist and a staunch anti communist. When the communists took over it was too dangerous for him. I myself was not even born at the time. There is no shame here. Shame belongs to those that want to shove a foreign way of life down peoples throats that dont want it.

Nothing wrong with modern and civilized but your way is creating a violent reaction from the people that you claim to love. Your trying to build an America out of Afghanistan in one day. Well, you know the saying "Rome was not built in a day," and neither was america. Its gonna take decades for Afghanistan to become modernized. Let the people do it themselves when they are ready just like America did it. Bringing in foreign soldiers to bomb your people is not good for anyone.