10 questions Pakistan Army fans can’t answer

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10 questions Pakistan Army fans can’t answer
18 DECEMBER 2014 90,132 VIEWS ONE COMMENT
Pakistan has lost 70,000 of its people to terrorism. The figure of policemen and jawans killed stands somewhere between ten and twenty thousands. Earlier this week, Taliban launched the deadliest of all attacks of Pakistan’s history which (to last counts) has killed 162 including 140+ children in APS&C Peshawar. There is no national consensus still and Pakistan Army and its cronies continue to confuse masses with their usual conspiracy theories and blaming neighboring India and Afghanistan while running away from any responsibility by trying to prove terrorists were not Muslim and came from some unknown place. The fact remains that the terrorism in Pakistan is an outcome of policy of strategic depth of Pakistan Army which is enabled by the Jihadi narrative popularised in Pakistan by Deobandi madressah network, on behest and funding of Pakistan Army. The chicken have now come home to roost but Pakistan Army continues its policy of good and bad Taliban and is not willing to reverse its narrative and take on extremism. What is more tragic is the unflinching support that Pakistan Army enjoys, specially in urban centers by young educated lot who find it unpatriotic and traitorous to question Pakistan Army. So, here are my ten questions to Pakistan Army fan boys and girls….

1. Who lets Mullah Omar operate from Quetta?
Mullah Omar, head of Afghan Taliban operates from Quetta in Pakistan
Mullah Omar, head of Afghan Taliban operates from Quetta in Pakistan

Mullah Omar, who is the Ameer (head/leader) of the Afghan Taliban has been operating from Quetta in Pakistan for a long time. The whole Afghan Taliban Shura (shadow cabinet) was relocated to Pakistan by Pakistan Army to help them remain safe from US attacks in Afghanistan. If Pakistan Army is leading a war operation against the Taliban, why is it hosting them in Quetta at the cost of Shia blood? Are Afghan Taliban good because they kill Indians and Afghanis but Pakistani Taliban are bad because they are out of control of Pakistan Army?

2. Why Army gave a helicopter ride to Malik Ishaq of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi?
Malik Ishaq of LeJ was given a helicopter ride from Lahore jail to GHQ
Malik Ishaq of LeJ was given a helicopter ride from Lahore jail to GHQ

In the year 2009, self proclaimed Shia killer and head of ruthless terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi was flown on a military helicopter by Pakistan Army from Lahore’s Kot Lakhpat Jail to GHQ. Newsreports suggests he was flown in to broker a deal between the LeJ militants and Pakistan Army as LeJ militants had a dozen or so Army personnel held hostage in the GHQ in Rawalpindi. There were widespread Shia killings in the time that followed and analysts believe LeJ was given free hand to kill Shias in return for freeing Army personnel.

3. How Osama managed to live a KM away from Army cantonment for years?
Osama Bin Laden lived less than a mile away from Army's cantonment for years in Pakistan
Osama Bin Laden lived less than a mile away from Army’s cantonment for years in Pakistan

Osama Bin Laden, the world’s most deadliest terrorist of Al-Qaeda lived in a compound built on 3500 square meter plot of land with 7 feet high walls. Ironically, this compound is located less than a mile away from Pakistan Army’s cantonment in Abbotabad which is one of the most strategic military bases in the region. For over a decade, Pakistan Army received coalition funds in the name of fighting terror and was well equipped and lavished with financial help but still could not find Osama living at stone’s throw away from them? Either the armed forces were hiding Osama, or the premier Intelligence Agency ISI is completely inefficient and inept.

4. Who helps Haqqani network to escape drone attacks?
Pakistan Army has provided secret information to Haqqani Network on several occassions to escape drone attacks
Pakistan Army has provided secret information to Haqqani Network on several occassions to escape drone attacks

Haqqani Network is a terrorist group allied with the Afghan Taliban and are loyal to Pakistan Army. They have launched several attacks on US-led NATO forces as well as on Afghan government officials and institutions and operate from Pakistani border. The US, with assistance from Pakistan Army has launched several drone attacks on Haqqani network but reports suggest they were able to escape every time before the attack making the US believe that Pakistan Army was playing a double game. The US, later on, launched independent drone attacks without information to Pakistan Army and they were found successful. This further proves that Pakistan Army is not ready to give up on strategic depth and continues to support terrorists across the border.

5. How ISIS/Taliban head at stone’s throw away from ISIS HQ is safe and untouched?
Maulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid has declared allegiance to ISIS and Taliban sitting just opposite ISI HQ
Maulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid has declared allegiance to ISIS and Taliban sitting just opposite ISI HQ

Maulana Abdul Aziz, current head of the notorius Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa has declared allegiance to ISIS and has on live TV said that his madressah students support ISIS and Taliban and has welcomed ISIS in Pakistan. From his madressah, the students run the world’s most dangerous online forum named Jamia Hafsa Urdu forum where videos of madressah students (working with Taliban and other outfits) butchering people are shared, as well as Jihadi propaganda is circulated. The cleric is regularly given airtime on live TV and has been untouched so far. Ironically, his madressah is at stone’s throw away from the premier intelligence agency ISI’s headquarter in the capital city. What stops ISI and Pakistan Army from taking action in the capital?

6. Who gives free hand to terrorists in cantonment called Quetta?
Quetta city in Baluchistan province is perhaps Pakistan’s biggest cantonment – the city is practically run by and under the control of Pakistan Army and FC for decades. Nothing moves in the city without the Armed forces knowing it. It is, in these circumstances, surprising to believe that terrorist outfits like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi can operate with impunity and mass murder Hazara Shias as and when they like and still remain untouched, while the Baloch rebels can not even run a Baloch newspaper. ASWJ, the terrorist sister outfit of LeJ was helped by Pakistan Army to establish a stronghold in Baluchistan and now Ramzan Mengal is one of the most feared terrorists in the region. Maulana Fazlur Rehman Deobandi’s jalsa was bombed by Mengal for the reason that he refused to invite him to the jalsa on instrucuctions of security forces. Army fan boys can let us know how these terrorists operate with impunity in biggest cantonment of Pakistan?

Hazara Shia killings have been rampant for a few years
Hazara Shia killings have been rampant for a few years

7. Do you get the value for 700 billion expenditure of Armed forces?
Pakistan Armed forces received 700 billion in last budget
Pakistan Armed forces received 700 billion in last budget

Pakistan Armed forces received 700 billion rupees in the last budget – that’s almost 10 times Health and education combined. Pakistan Army also received 1800 billion rupees from 2002 to 2010 from coalition fund. The security institutions have also received further funding from international bodies/funders as well as from Pakistani Government in the name of fighting terror. Can the fans of Pakistan Army economically justify this massive expenditure considering the outcome? As citizens, Pakistanis have paid 10 times over their health and education and what have they received in return except bloodshed, death and destruction?

8. Which other Army runs an economic business empire?
Pakistan Army runs a business empire like no other Army
Pakistan Army runs a business empire like no other Army

Pakistan Army is perhaps unique in the sense that it runs an economic business empire like no other Army in the world. It deals in all sort of businesses across the country, and perhaps that explains why they are so inefficient at the job we pay them to do – protect and defend us. An incomplete list of Pakistan Army business can be seen here but fan boys and girls kindly tell us which Army makes corn flakes, cement, ghee, shoes, oil guard and operates in over a dozen business like insurance, banks, real estate, CNG and fuel?

9. Who helped 7/7 bomber Rashid Rauf escape jail?
Rashid Rauf, a 7/7 bomber was helped by Pakistan Army to escape jail
Rashid Rauf, a 7/7 bomber was helped by Pakistan Army to escape jail

On 14 December 2007, Rashif Rauf one of the London 7/7 bombers mysteriously escaped from jail. Authorities say he escaped after freeing himself from handcuffs. Rauf was later killed in a US drone strike on Pakistan Army friendly terrorists on AfPak border.

10. Did Army ask Parliament before Balochistan operation?
Pakistan Army kills and dumps in Baluchistan
Pakistan Army kills and dumps in Baluchistan

Pakistan Army has been bombing Baluchistan for well over a decade now. They can kill and dump with impunity as and when they like with no questions asked. Journalists, students, activists, rebels, professionals – none is safe from their kill and dump job. They launched an operation on Mashkay earlier this year and wiped off the whole village. Did the Armed forces wait for, or at least ask for, a permission to do this from the elected Parliament? Have they ever waited for national consensus or go-ahead from Parliament to do their kill-job in Baluchistan? Why does this come in the way of a widespread operation against Jihadi terrorists?

11. Suicidal training madressahs at 200m from Army bases in FATA
Suicidal Training bases at 200m from Army bases in FATA
Photo Not Representative: Suicidal Training bases at 200m from Army bases in FATA

Earlier this year, a suicidal terrorist training camp was discovered which stood only 200 meters away from a security base in FATA. Did it go unnoticed? Are the armed forces party to it or inefficient?

12. Which Army has to kills and dump journalists?
Saleem Shahzad
Saleem Shahzad

Saleem Shahzad, a journalist was killed and dumped by Pakistan Army for his work which leaked key information about Army’s links to terrorists. Does the Army not need to come clean on it?

13. Pakistan Army reports to none – why?
Pakistan Army operates without any control

Pakistan Army and ISI is unique in a way that they operate completely independently, not controlled by anyone. They have resisted all attempts at putting them under civilian control, although as a state institution they are supposed to report to the elected Parliament but they operate with no control whatsoever. The security instituons drive Pakistan’s defence as well as foreign affairs policy. Army fan boys and girls may like to answer where else does this happen in the world?

So, all your Pakistan Army fan boys and girls, we look forward to your answers. Please take your time.

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sorry halakas if i forgot someone

[Karachi]

These are very good questions, and I think this thread should made a sticky, because whenever the pakistani nationalists come here, they should answer these questions

[Adam]

How common is Bangladesh genocide denial amongst Pakistanis?

[Karachi]

How common is Bangladesh genocide denial amongst Pakistanis?

all nationalist pakistanis deny it and always blame india for it. Even the religious establishment denies it. People like Ghumbasa who act so religious will deny that their brothers committed genocide/mass rapes there, of up to a million people

[Yousufzai]

How common is Bangladesh genocide denial amongst Pakistanis?

Along with what Karachi said, it should be noted that more Pakistanis these days are becoming aware of the awful history, but they choose not to talk about it. That, to me, is even scarier than denying it. To know that it happened but to ignore it and instead focus on the crimes of others is just pathological.

[ghumbasa]

all nationalist pakistanis deny it and always blame india for it. Even the religious establishment denies it. People like Ghumbasa who act so religious will deny that their brothers committed genocide/mass rapes there, of up to a million people

I ve described the genocide in a thread.What i find is the denial of kashmiri rape,genocide and muslims suffering in india since 47.I find no remorse or condemnation of indians.So the biased attitude is what you guys are showing and expect others.Come up with condemnation of indian govt and army dirty history first.

[Karachi]

I ve described the genocide in a thread.What i find is the denial of kashmiri rape,genocide and muslims suffering in india since 47.I find no remorse or condemnation of indians.So the biased attitude is what you guys are showing and expect others.Come up with condemnation of indian govt and army dirty history first.

lol what have you described? that how indians were responsible for the rape/mass murders of bengalis committed by pakistani army????

I have created many threads regarding kashmir and muslim suffering in India, however I also know that you ISI worshipers are the biggest liars ever

[ghumbasa]

lol what have you described? that how indians were responsible for the rape/mass murders of bengalis committed by pakistani army????

I have created many threads regarding kashmir and muslim suffering in India, however I also know that you ISI worshipers are the biggest liars ever

Bump the threads then.Till then i ll consider you a hypocrite.

[Karachi]

Bump the threads then.Till then i ll consider you a hypocrite.

Here you go dumb ass: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=24735

^ this is just one of the 5-6 threads I have made, I even made one about Modi last year, how he could prove to be very dangerous for India

I am not hypocrite like you. I look at every angle and every story out there and try to make my conclusions and in all the angles I have found Pakistanis to be the most evil/destructive people of all people in this world. It doesn't matter how evil every one else is, Pakistanis will top them and a mullah like you defending ISI just shows how hypocrite you are

[ghumbasa]

Here you go dumb ass: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=24735

^ this is just one of the 5-6 threads I have made, I even made one about Modi last year, how he could prove to be very dangerous for India

I am not hypocrite like you. I look at every angle and every story out there and try to make my conclusions and in all the angles I have found Pakistanis to be the most evil/destructive people of all people in this world. It doesn't matter how evil every one else is, Pakistanis will top them and a mullah like you defending ISI just shows how hypocrite you are

That doesnt change the fact that you are pro raw or bajrang dal group.I ve never defended isi but told few differences between isi and raw...considering their work pattern.One is slave to usa other to israel which is worse.Both are patriot to extreme...But it serves no function to muslim or islam.

[Karachi]

That doesnt change the fact that you are pro raw or bajrang dal group.I ve never defended isi but told few differences between isi and raw...considering their work pattern.One is slave to usa other to israel which is worse.Both are patriot to extreme...But it serves no function to muslim or islam.

I have never supported Raw, yet you have supported IS I in every thread, have some shame in your blant lying you fake mullah

[ghumbasa]

I have never supported Raw, yet you have supported IS I in every thread, have some shame in your blant lying you fake mullah

I ve given benefit of doubt to a muslim if there is any in isi...unlike raw that has mushriks.Though majority in isi generals ruling are either shias ,seculars or ismailis.So a paindu like you doesnt make sense when support mushriks.

[ghumbasa]

http://awamibharat.blogspot.com/2010/07/israel-and-india-zionism-and-hindutva.html

Israel and India, Zionism and Hindutva




by:*Achin Vanaik

It was after the Cold War that the Indian establishment’s attitude to Palestine could not escape the impact of the overall lurch rightwards of the centre of gravity of the Indian polity. At home this has meant much greater accommodation towards— and acceptance of— Hindutva, which applauds Zionism.
Neither the Indian government, the ‘foreign policy establishment’, the strategic elite, the mainstream media, nor that broader category loosely termed as the Indian middle class are seriously bothered by the plight of the Palestinians, or at all interested in there being a truly just settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

That Israel is a Jewish state, it says, should be welcomed and India should recognize that it is basically a Hindu nation requiring a representative Hindu state. Common to both Hindutva and Zionism is the belief that true democracy is majoritarian and must above all protect Hindus/Hinduism and Jews/Judaism respectively. It cannot and must not, therefore, assign full citizenship rights to other ethnic/religious groupings such as Muslims and Christians in India (Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists are subsumed under the label of Hindu since they are faiths originating in a Hindu India) or to the Palestinians or “Israeli Arabs” as they are called in Israel.

The Hindutva are represented above all by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), or National Volunteer Corps, comprising an estimated 2 million-cadre force organized in some 60,000 branches throughout the country. It also has its political-electoral wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), as well as a host of other organizational offshoots. The RSS-BJP posit as their hostile and dangerous ‘other’ the Muslims, while for Israel it is the Palestinians, mostly Muslim but also Christian. Hindutva thus sees an emotional-ideological affinity between itself and Zionism.

Complementing this presumed cultural affinity between Hindutva and Zionism are the new post-Cold War era strategic compulsions and realignments. Whether the BJP or the Congress Party reigns at the centre— independently or in a coalition— both are committed to deepening the India-Israel-US alliance. After the 2009 Indian elections, the current Congress-led ruling coalition will continue on this path.

Israel is now the second largest supplier of military equipment to India (after Russia, which might well be permanently overtaken in due course by both Israel and the US) and India is now Israel’s biggest arms purchaser. In New Delhi, Israel is seen as a key conduit for influencing the US government, which while seeking to consolidate its strategic partnership with India also— to the irritation of India— feels the need to sustain its strategic ties with Pakistan.

In the US much of the politically active Indian diaspora believes that it must emulate and work with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) if it is to establish a powerful and organized lobby in the elite decision-making circles that count in Washington. High-level representatives of both the BJP and the Congress Party have thus made it a point to visit Tel Aviv and to meet AIPAC leaders in the US. In addition, India and Israel are now collaborating ever more closely on anti-terrorism.

India makes occasional noises about Palestinian suffering along with mildly worded criticisms about Israel, but Tel Aviv knows these are pro-forma objections that mean little to nothing. With regard to the Palestinian struggle for justice, India— like the EU— will do two things: it will throw money to Palestinian agencies and pay lip service to its cause. Nothing more. The predominating view in India is, ‘why should India be more pro-Palestinian than the Arab governments whom subordinate that cause to their own interests?’

So why should India not pursue its perceived national interests, which geopolitically means forging a strategic link with Israel and the US? Some argue that the traditionally non-aligned Indian national interest lay elsewhere— and that there are similarities between the plight of the Palestinians and another long-suffering people.

To wit, connect the Dalit upsurge in India to the solidarity movement for Palestine. Racism must be understood in broader terms as encompassing various forms of exclusionist ideologies founded not just on biologically or physically determined markers, but also on cultural ones. Thus cultural identity markers, when used for the purposes of institutionalized discrimination, are also to be seen as forms of racist injustice. Both casteism and Zionism come into this category of culturally based discriminations. You do not have to be a Palestinian to empathize with the Palestinian cause. Palestinians are fighting for much more than just their national liberation; they are fighting for progressives everywhere.

[ghumbasa]

Today indian agents are as much used by israel as isi at the hands of usa...All for greater israel....wait leme post more about Zion.

[Loy Afghanistan]

I have never supported Raw, yet you have supported IS I in every thread, have some shame in your blant lying you fake mullah

Shaitan will rape this dirty filthy harami parasite. Gadonwaal should bann this idiot. He is posting so much off topic.