A message from Pashtun to Pakistanis

[DSM0305]

What is ijaza or sanad? You should know. lololol

In each hadith, there are two elements: sanad or isnad, and matn. Sanad or isnad is the chain of narrators of the hadith, while matn is the text of the hadith.

The literally translation of sanad is support.

[ghumbasa]

In each hadith, there are two elements: sanad or isnad, and matn. Sanad or isnad is the chain of narrators of the hadith, while matn is the text of the hadith.

The literally translation of sanad is support.

And ijaza?

[DSM0305]

And ijaza?

Its a basic system developed in early hadith scholarship. To put it metaphorical, it is a ''journey in search of knowledge''. It involve traveling to an authorities, to hear from them directly and obtain the authority to transmit those in their name. Ijazah basically means ''permission''.

[ghumbasa]

So 1,5 million Afghan Pashtuns who live in Pakistan are apparenly 'ok' people, but the 30+ millions of Afghans living in Afghanistan are bad... Last time I checked, it was your Pakistani mullahs who issued fatwas against Afghanistan. Not only Pakistani mullahs in Pakistan, but also those who lives abroad.
You're seriously the biggest Murtad I have ever seen...

Good.Permission of?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

funny poetry is a message?why do you think punjabis in default means Pakistanis?

I don't know what fatwas are you talking about but you should know that not only from Afghanistan today but from the rest of the world i have seen People visiting Pakistan for Islam,Hell even from India.

You should atleast know that most of the tableeghi's jamaat around the world are from Pakistan

[DSM0305]

Good.Permission of?

Read my comment for god sake. You're quoting the wrong one. I wrote it clear and sound.

[Azmal]

funny poetry is a message?why do you think punjabis in default means Pakistanis?

I don't know what fatwas are you talking about but you should know that not only from Afghanistan today but from the rest of the world i have seen People visiting Pakistan for Islam,Hell even from India.

You should atleast know that most of the tableeghi's jamaat around the world are from Pakistan

I know right, there was one Paki Tableeghi group in Kabul, come to house of a friend where I was staying...one of the guy was asking us to attend Masjid regularly...I ask him where he was from he said Jahlaam...I said why don't you go to Lahore and do your Tableegh there? He said all worlds is gods land---I said if your mom is a sex worker would you first try to stop her or go to your neighbors home and ask their woman to wear Hajab?

The fact is Pakistani society is the most unislamic one, in term of cast system, British raj law and regulation and the open brothels in Lahore. Yet Pakistani produce the most extremist and vocal of all Muslims in the world…Taliban were/are all product of Pakistani Madrassa.

The fact of matter is theses religious groups are all political in their nature; they have nothing to do with Islam per sake of Islam. Across religions, the elite have instrumentalised religious cannon and scriptures to strengthen their hold over power. American sociologist Clifford James Geertz calls such collaboration a ‘Sanctification of Social Inequality’, a process by which religious and political elites collaborate with each other to use religion to maintain their power over people. Tablighi Jamahat and likes groups are actually Punjabs instrument for their interest—thus their exist is an offend in good name of Islam.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I know right, there was one Paki Tableeghi group in Kabul, come to house of a friend where I was staying...one of the guy was asking us to attend Masjid regularly...I ask him where he was from he said Jahlaam...I said why don't you go to Lahore and do your Tableegh there? He said all worlds is gods land---I said if your mom is a sex worker would you first try to stop her or go to your neighbors home and ask their woman to wear Hajab?

The fact is Pakistani society is the most unislamic one, in term of cast system, British raj law and regulation and the open brothels in Lahore. Yet Pakistani produce the most extremist and vocal of all Muslims in the world…Taliban were/are all product of Pakistani Madrassa.

The fact of matter is theses religious groups are all political in their nature; they have nothing to do with Islam per sake of Islam. Across religions, the elite have instrumentalised religious cannon and scriptures to strengthen their hold over power. American sociologist Clifford James Geertz calls such collaboration a ‘Sanctification of Social Inequality’, a process by which religious and political elites collaborate with each other to use religion to maintain their power over people. Tablighi Jamahat and likes groups are actually Punjabs instrument for their interest—thus their exist is an offend in good name of Islam.

*Do you think i am a stupid?Answer only in yes or no as i don't give a f about your explanation.

*I bet your lying about the tableeghi jamat part

*Despite living in the west,but having maintain the mentality of this sort.

[ghumbasa]

Read my comment for god sake. You're quoting the wrong one. I wrote it clear and sound.

Ijaza is legal permission to gk for ijtehad in advanced deen problems with consensus of other scholars plus they can pass fatwa ......With the time you took in answering such simple answers and avoiding all togather the full definition of ijaza i know now how qualified you are regarding deen.
Now reread your posts and callihg me murtad...do you ve this ijaza? Who is your teacher? From which islamic institute?

[ghumbasa]

I know right, there was one Paki Tableeghi group in Kabul, come to house of a friend where I was staying...one of the guy was asking us to attend Masjid regularly...I ask him where he was from he said Jahlaam...I said why don't you go to Lahore and do your Tableegh there? He said all worlds is gods land---I said if your mom is a sex worker would you first try to stop her or go to your neighbors home and ask their woman to wear Hajab?

The fact is Pakistani society is the most unislamic one, in term of cast system, British raj law and regulation and the open brothels in Lahore. Yet Pakistani produce the most extremist and vocal of all Muslims in the world…Taliban were/are all product of Pakistani Madrassa.

The fact of matter is theses religious groups are all political in their nature; they have nothing to do with Islam per sake of Islam. Across religions, the elite have instrumentalised religious cannon and scriptures to strengthen their hold over power. American sociologist Clifford James Geertz calls such collaboration a ‘Sanctification of Social Inequality’, a process by which religious and political elites collaborate with each other to use religion to maintain their power over people. Tablighi Jamahat and likes groups are actually Punjabs instrument for their interest—thus their exist is an offend in good name of Islam.

Americanism is whats ingrained in likes of you to such an extent that when asked by good people to go on path of Allah you guys ll start picking on negativity instead of just saying ok i ll go for the path Allah is calling me.There are good and bad people everywhere..but your own vision picks up bad.
Today tablighi jamat group is reforming lives of millions of people around the globe and it has 80 percent pashtuns.Western converts credit goes to them and to deoband.We are also dealing with corrupt ulema who uses deen for wordly matters...Prophet saww spoke of this fitna too.But name calling a person s mother about sex when you are asked to go for masjid abd pray...you lost your own credit insight of Allah not him.Putting the blame of whole lot bad going on on one person is what you are mastered.
Go out in path of Allah and see what you faces...being bad is easy.

[ghumbasa]

*Do you think i am a stupid?Answer only in yes or no as i don't give a f about your explanation.

*I bet your lying about the tableeghi jamat part

*Despite living in the west,but having maintain the mentality of this sort.

When their roles are replaced ...see their frustration then.

[ghumbasa]

The Prophet (S.A.W.S.) said:*“Actions are but by intentions and each person will have but that which he intended”*(narrated by al-Bukhaari (1) and Muslim (1907))




The hazard of tongue that can spoil your whole life good deeds.

The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said:*"There were two men from Banoo Israa’eel who strove equally. One of them committed sins and the other strove hard in worship. And the one who strove in worship continued to see the other sinner and kept saying to him: ‘Desist’. So one day, he found him committing a sin and said to him: ‘Desist’. He replied: "Leave me to my Lord; have you been sent as a watcher over me?" He said: "By Allah, Allah will not forgive you, nor will Allah admit you to Paradise." Then their souls were taken and they came together before the Lord of the Worlds. So He (Allah) said to the one who strove in worship: "Did you have knowledge of Me, or did you have any power over what was in my Hands?" And He said to the sinner: "Go and enter Paradise through My Mercy." And He said to the other: "Take him to the Fire." Aboo Hurairah said: "By Him is Whose Hand is my soul! He spoke a word which destroyed this world and the Hereafter for him."*(Saheeh – reported by Aboo Hurairah and collected in Aboo Daawood



The Prophet (S.A.W.S.) cautioned us when he said:*“Do not express joy at your brother’s misfortune or else Allah will pardon him for it and test you with it”*(reported by multiple sources including by At-Tabaraanee in Al-Kabeer (22/53)).




As Muslims we are also advised not to go on a witch hunt looking after other people’s faults. The prophet (S.A.W.S.) said,*“O you group of people that believe with your tongues while not with your hearts! Do not abuse the Muslims nor seek after their faults. For indeed, he who seeks after their (other people’s) faults, Allah will seek after his faults. And whomsoever has Allah seek after his faults, He will expose them, even if he may have committed them in the privacy of his own home”(reported by Abu Ya’laa in his Musnad (1675) and with a strong chain of narration in Ahmad (4/421 & 424) and Abu Dawood (4880) and other soruces).

[ghumbasa]

Story of bani israel 2 persons tells us you say one bad word against another believer ...with belief that he he is inferior and ll not enter paradise ...lead him to hell.

[DSM0305]

Ijaza is legal permission to gk for ijtehad in advanced deen problems with consensus of other scholars plus they can pass fatwa ......With the time you took in answering such simple answers and avoiding all togather the full definition of ijaza i know now how qualified you are regarding deen.
Now reread your posts and callihg me murtad...do you ve this ijaza? Who is your teacher? From which islamic institute?

I answered them as soon I read them, so your munafique assumptions have failed again.
Secondly your explanation doesn't make even remotely sense. Whether it is due your lack of English skill or the lack of understanding of the word, is a whole question on its own. But taking your previous comments into consideration, its the latter.
Here is what ghumbasa said

What is ijaza or sanad? You should know.

Which indicate that ghumbasa thought that ijazah and sanad were one and same thing. Which is far from the truth.

The fact is that you got cornered and tried an escape route by asking those questions. Unfortunately for you, I answered them quite easy due to, its the very basic stuff which I already knew from when I was a small kid. What shocked me most that you didn't know the answers, yet you preached and questioned million peoples deen.
Lets this be a lesson for you, so next time you don't insult nations and ethnicities, yet being a hypocrite and not criticizing your own country and people with the same criteria.

[ghumbasa]

I answered them as soon I read them, so your munafique assumptions have failed again.
Secondly your explanation doesn't make even remotely sense. Whether it is due your lack of English skill or the lack of understanding of the word, is a whole question on its own. But taking your previous comments into consideration, its the latter.
Here is what ghumbasa said

Which indicate that ghumbasa thought that ijazah and sanad were one and same thing. Which is far from the truth.

The fact is that you got cornered and tried an escape route by asking those questions. Unfortunately for you, I answered them quite easy due to, its the very basic stuff which I already knew from when I was a small kid. What shocked me most that you didn't know the answers, yet you preached and questioned million peoples deen.
Lets this be a lesson for you, so next time you don't insult nations and ethnicities, yet being a hypocrite and not criticizing your own country and people with the same criteria.

DSM ....you ve been caught lying about passing fatwa that you were qualified for fatwa and when asked about sanad and ijaza ...it took ages for you to answer.Now even you dont know what you are blabbering.
Sanad is chain of narrations and it indicates authenticity of a scholar 's fatwa in various matters including calling someone murtad.e.g about recent caliphate of isis many scholarly fatwa is that they are not legitimate.Sanad when presented goes to the root of your teachings.

So regarding you calling someone murtad what sanad or ijaza you have? Who is your teacher? From where have you studied?
No answer DSM.