Pashtun Genocide and NDS,how to stop them

[rednwhite99]

There you go talk of Islam while being successor of British Raj for Afghanistan and Pashton! As i said before the killing of children must be condemn by anyone calling themselves human! But what about what your government been doing in Afghanistan? What about 100 that were murdered in Paktiya a month ago by your gov proxy? What about the kabul school bombing 2 days ago? Where was your Islamic feeling you proksitani cockroach!

sorry to hear abt that,, and i feel sorry for every child that dies like this,, blame the govt nt people,, like we dont go on abusing indian people,, we blame their govt ,,, but i think we shud adopt a harsh attitude toward afghanis lik u

[ghumbasa]

There you go talk of Islam while being successor of British Raj for Afghanistan and Pashton! As i said before the killing of children must be condemn by anyone calling themselves human! But what about what your government been doing in Afghanistan? What about 100 that were murdered in Paktiya a month ago by your gov proxy? What about the kabul school bombing 2 days ago? Where was your Islamic feeling you proksitani cockroach!

You ve black water mercenaries running in your country...as much as in pakistan.Its not necessarily pakistanis doing it.You dont ve proofs cept biased media that is also in the hands of same people..west.You accept everything they say blindly.Atleastwe dont believe everything what our govt or politicians say.


Yo matal de:
Tse kala rikhtya ratsi ratsi...no darwogho kor rang karay vi.

[ghumbasa]

lol i know what they say terrorist and muhajir,, to us they say terrorist ,, for u there is something extra which is muhajir

Again wrong ...... you can adopt harsh attitude regarding their bad mouthing...but the rest is not good.We all are muhajirs in this aspect.

[Azmal]

You ve black water mercenaries running in your country...as much as in pakistan.Its not necessarily pakistanis doing it.You dont ve proofs cept biased media that is also in the hands of same people..west.You accept everything they say blindly.Atleastwe dont believe everything what our govt or politicians say.


Yo matal de:
Tse kala rikhtya ratsi ratsi...no darwogho kor rang karay vi.

Here you go, another coward pakis blaming the world for action of their coward ISI. Haqqani lives in Islamabad and Mullah omar in Karchai--they don't live in NY. ISI and your gov hand are wet in afghan blood!

EIther way what is the diff between black water and ISI and rest of your security establishment...did you read the history i provided--its no secret both were created by same people! Yet you blame one and praise others! Monafeq!!!

[ghumbasa]

Here you go, another coward pakis blaming the world for action of their coward ISI. Haqqani lives in Islamabad and Mullah omar in Karchai--they don't live in NY. ISI and your gov hand are wet in afghan blood!

EIther way what is the diff between black water and ISI and rest of your security establishment...did you read the history i provided--its no secret both were created by same people! Yet you blame one and praise others! Monafeq!!!

When did i say our govts are angels? The moment you stop worshipping your sold out nds and govt...we ll show you we too dont believe puppet govts.Till you stop blaming...dont expect us to respond the way you want.

[Azmal]

When did i say our govts are angels? The moment you stop worshipping your sold out nds and govt...we ll show you we too dont believe puppet govts.Till you stop blaming...dont expect us to respond the way you want.

Funny you never called your gov or ISI ---which i have posted the history of who created and for what purpose as puppet. May god bless NDS and Afghan GOV--its time to take the war to those that imposing it on us. If it was up to me i would ask India for more weapon and $, seriouslly if ISI can brianwashed a village idiot into sucide bomber then why can't NDS? I send a few thousands special forces to aid BLA--just like what ISI is doing for Taliban in Konar---for past year first pakistani army bomb afghan checkpoints then they send taliban to attack it!

[gadoonwal]

Someone farts and isi is responsible.Give proofs.We fatians ve seen enough its ttp not isi ...ttp wirh non muslim individuals.Isi may ve been in op zarb zazb etc...but the faces of americans and uzbek combinations with their training in afg is more than enough for us to know who are who.Kurma agency incidents are not far...when they crossed borders and created mischief.

we can only pray for people like you.
Tell us why the army could,nt provide the security to school?
How they managed to get into that heavily guarded areas?
why the security staff at school were told to leave?
the school management begged napaki army for security but they did,nt respond why?

All of the above why these zombies targeting pashtunn children?
Did they bomb a single school in Punjab?


These uzbiks,chechen terrorists and arba zombies living in safe heaven of isi in Waziristan.

stop making fool of others.

[Azmal]

we can only pray for people like you.
Tell us why the army could,nt provide the security to school?
How they managed to get into that heavily guarded areas?
why the security staff at school were told to leave?
the school management begged napaki army for security but they did,nt respond why?

All of the above why these zombies targeting pashtunn children?
Did they bomb a single school in Punjab?


These uzbiks,chechen terrorists and arba zombies living in safe heaven of isi in Waziristan.

stop making fool of others.

I was curious too, how come in less then a day they were able to gather "evidence" and go to Kabul? For past 13 years these cowards has gotten 14 billion dollars from US---based on some NDS security expert on afghan tv--ISI spend about 40 million dollars a year on their Taliban proxies.

[ghumbasa]

we can only pray for people like you.
Tell us why the army could,nt provide the security to school?
How they managed to get into that heavily guarded areas?
why the security staff at school were told to leave?
the school management begged napaki army for security but they did,nt respond why?

All of the above why these zombies targeting pashtunn children?
Did they bomb a single school in Punjab?


These uzbiks,chechen terrorists and arba zombies living in safe heaven of isi in Waziristan.

stop making fool of others.

Stop making fool of us either that you care for us.How much you care its quite evident from your actions.You never criticise your favorite bad mouthed posters.First comes up with justice at minor level...i ll come up with justice at more level.The terrorists of uzbek hazara etc are also trained in india.then they are let loose on borders killing more pashtuns on both sides...i can give proof...whats your proof??

[ghumbasa]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/afghan-troops-to-be-trained-at-indian-army-s-jungle-warfare-school-290241?site=classic

NEW DELHI:**India has agreed to train upto 600 Afghan Army officers every year in India under a pact that President Hamid Karzai is expected to sign with India early next week, highly placed sources have told NDTV.

The program is the first concrete follow-up on military-to-military cooperation under the umbrella of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that was signed between Kabul and New Delhi in 2011 when President Karzai was given a grand reception in India.

Under the agreement, India, which has the world's third-largest army, agreed to train, equip and build the capacity of the Afghan forces.

Sources in the Indian security establishment familiar with the contours of the detailed schedule say Kabul and New Delhi have identified three areas to focus on -* increasing the intake of officers in India's premier training institutes; providing specialized training to middle and higher level officers already operating in the Afghan National Army (ANA); and training soldiers in counter-insurgency and counter-terrorist operations.*

Over 200 Afghan cadets will be training at the National Defence Academy, the Officers' Training Academies and the Indian Military Academy every year. This is over and above the 600 serving Afghan National Army (ANA) officers who will undergo a variety of courses.

In addition, company level (100-strong) contingents of ANA will be trained for four weeks at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS)located at Vairangte in Mizoram.

NDTV had reported on these plans in December 2011. It has taken almost a year for New Delhi and Kabul to firm up the details.

India however has no plans to send or deploy its troops in Afghanistan as of now.

President Karzai is also likely to sign a pact on allowing India and Indian companies to mine that country's vast natural resources. Indian companies are planning to invest over 11 bn dollars in the mining sector over the long term in Afghanistan.

New Delhi has also decided to supply vehicles, information technology and sports equipment, a move seen as a paradigm shift in India's approach to Afghanistan.

So far, India has concentrated on using "soft power" in the development sector, such as helping with the building of roads, hospitals and even the parliament building in Afghanistan. But by offering extensive training facilities for ANA, India has decided to ramp up its involvement, although it's currently stopping short of supplying any military hardware. New Delhi has also decided not to send training teams to Afghanistan in view of the two attacks on its embassy in Kabul.

The Indian security and strategic establishment has been wary of discussing the Indo-Afghan military-to-military relationship, not least because of Islamabad's sensitivities. Pakistan sees the growing relationship between New Delhi and Kabul as denying "strategic depth" to its army, and as an Indian attempt to encircle Pakistan.

President Karzai will arrive in Mumbai on Friday and later travels to Delhi.

[ghumbasa]

http://volvbilis.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/afghan-militia-trained-in-australia/

Afghan militia trained in*Australia




Six Afghan fighters loyal to a warlord from Uruzgan Province flew to Australia to train with special operations forces there last week, the Australian military chief has confirmed.

Air Marshall Angus Houston told reporters on Friday that the six militiamen had participated in combat training exercises in south Australia and at a military base on the outskirts of Sydney.

Houston’s remarks came after an earlier report by the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper claimed that senior fighters loyal to warlord Matiullah Khan had trained in Australia despite Khan’s controversial reputation as an independent military commander who charges international forces fees to protect their convoys.

“The Afghans invited to Australia will fight side by side with our special operations soldiers, which is an important part of our efforts to stabilise Uruzgan,” an Australian defence department spokesman said.

Australia, a non-NATO member nation which has lost 21 troops in Afghanistan, maintains a strong presence in Uruzgan, a sparsely populated province that borders Kandahar to the south and was until recently the heart of the Netherlands’ mission in the country.

Though Afghan police and military troops receive training from a horde of international soldiers and private contractors in Afghanistan on a daily basis, such training is not openly provided to non-government militias.

In June, the New York Times newspaper described Khan as the most powerful man in Uruzgan – above even the provincial governor, police chief or local army commander.

Khan, the Times said, is the “head of a private army that earns millions of dollars guarding NATO supply convoys and fights Taliban insurgents alongside American special forces”.

Working with ‘warlordy’ types

The Herald reported that the fighters’ visit to Australia came amid a parliamentary debate about the country’s role in the Afghan war.

On a visit to Afghanistan earlier this month, Julia Gillard, Australia’s prime minister, was praised by Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, for working closely with “warlordy types”, according to a summary of the encounter obtained by the Herald.

Khan and other power brokers like him have carved out profitable roles for themselves in tribal, war-torn Afghanistan, often by running licensed private guard companies or security operations such as Khan’s.

Khan has drawn much attention to himself; he received a high-profile mention in a report released in June by a US congressional committee that concluded America was paying out billions of dollars to “warlords, strongmen, commanders, and militia leaders” to guard the military’s enormous supply chain.

Khan’s militia, which has been estimated between 900 and 2,000 men and is sometimes called the “Kandak Amniante Uruzgan”, runs operations with US special forces troops and operates without oversight from Afghanistan’s central government.

Khan has no official government position, though he refers to himself as the chief of provincial highway police – an organisation that was disbanded years ago.

“No one can travel without Matiullah without facing consequences,” the chief of a private security company told US congressional investigators this year. “There is no other way to get there. You have to either pay him or fight him.”

Dutch tried to sideline Khan

The Dutch, who left behind a mixed legacy in Uruzgan, reportedly refused to work with Khan or officially recognize his status as a local power broker, even after removing Jan Mohammed Khan, the former provincial governor, because of his reported involvement in crime and the drug trade.

The Liaison Office reported in September 2009 that Dutch efforts to “Afghanise” security had resulted in 300 to 400 of Matiullah Khan’s fighters joining the local Afghan National Police, but those officers reportedly continue effectively to work for Khan and draw a salary from him.

Khan reportedly charges between $300 and $2,000 for each vehicle his troops protect.

[ghumbasa]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/US-exit-India-steps-up-Afghan-army-training/articleshow/21047157.cms

The training includes counter-terrorism operations, military field-craft, signals, intelligence, counter-IED, information technology, battle-field nursing assistance and, of course, the English language. Afghan personnel are also being "attached" to the Infantry School at Mhow, Artillery School at Devlali and Mechanised Infantry Regimental Centre at Ahmednagar for specialized courses.

[ghumbasa]

https://facttruth.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

India s secret torture chambers

May 31, 2010 at 4:52 am (Uncategorized)



India’s secret torture chambers:

By Anupam Dasgupta,

Little Terrorist, as the intelligence sleuths came to call him, turned out to be a hard nut to crack. No amount of torture would work on 20-year-old Mohammed Issa, who was picked up from Delhi on February 5, 2006. The Delhi Police believed that he had a hotline to Lashkar-e-Toiba deputy chief Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhwi, who later masterminded the 26/11 attack on Mumbai. At a secret detention centre in Delhi, the police and intelligence officers tried every single torture method in their arsenal-from electric shock to sleep deprivation-to make Issa sing. He stuck to his original line: that he had come from Nepal to visit a relative in Delhi. Only, they refused believe him.

According to the police, the youth from Uttar Pradesh, who had moved to Nepal in 2000 along with his family after his father, Irfan Ahmed, was accused in a terrorism case, returned to India to set up Lashkar modules in the national capital. More than six months after he was picked up, the police announced his arrest on August 14. He has since been shifted to the Tihar jail. His lawyer N.D. Pancholi said Issa was kept in illegal custody for months. If not, let the police say where he was between February 5 and August 15, he challenged.

Issa could have been detained in any of Delhi’s joint interrogation centres, used by the police and intelligence agencies to extract precious information from the detainees using methods frowned upon by the law. As one top police officer told THE WEEK in the course of our investigation, these torture chambers spread across the country are our “precious assets”. They are our own little Guantanamo Bays or Gitmos (where the US tortures terror suspects from Afghanistan and elsewhere for information).

Not many admit their existence, because doing so could result in human rights activists knocking at their doors and bad press for the smartly dressed intelligence men. It is a murky and dangerous world, according to K.S. Subramanian, Tripura’s former director-general of police, who has also served in the Intelligence Bureau. “Such sites exist and are being used to detain and interrogate suspected terrorists and it has been going on for a long time,” he told THE WEEK. “Even senior police officers are reluctant to talk about the system.” So are people who have been to these virtual hells that officially do not exist.

THE WEEK has identified 15 such secret interrogation centres-three each in Mumbai, Delhi, Gujarat and Jammu and Kashmir, two in Kolkata and one in Assam. (One detention centre that is shared by all security and law enforcement agencies is in Palanpur, Gujarat.) Their locations have been arrived at after speaking to serving and retired top officers who had helped set up some of these facilities. Those who have spent time in these places had no idea where they are. They were taken blindfolded and were allowed no visitors. The only faces they got to see were those of the interrogators, day in and day out.

The biggest of the three detention centres in Mumbai, the Aarey Colony facility in Goregaon, has four rooms. The Anti-Terrorism Squad questioned Saeed Khan (name changed), one of the accused in the Malegaon blasts of September 2006, here. He was served food at irregular intervals (led to temporary disorientation) and was denied sleep. Another secret detention centre maintained in the city by the ATS at Kalachowky has a sound-proof room. Sohail Shaikh, accused in the July 2006 train bombings, was held here for close to two months. “He was kept in isolation for days together,” said an officer. “He crumbled after being subjected to hostile sessions. Intentional infliction of suffering does not always yield immediate results. Sometimes you have to wait for many days for the detainee to break. It is a tedious process.” The smallest of the three facilities at Chembur has just two rooms.

Parvez Ahmed Radoo, 30, of Baramulla district in Kashmir, was illegally detained in Delhi for over a month for allegedly trying to plot mass murder in the national capital on behalf of the Jaish-e-Mohammed. The Delhi Police’s chargesheet says he was arrested from the Azadpur fruit market in Delhi on October 14, 2006. But according to Parvez’s flight itinerary, he travelled from Srinagar to Delhi on September 12 on SpiceJet flight 850. The flight landed at Delhi airport at 12.10 p.m. He had to catch another flight at 1.30 p.m. (SpiceJet flight 217) to Pune, where, according to his parents, he was going to pursue his Ph.D. But he never boarded the Pune flight as he disappeared from the Delhi airport.

Parvez wrote an open letter from the Tihar jail, where he is currently held, in which he said he was arrested from the airport on September 12 and kept in custody for a month. Apparently, he was first taken to the Lodhi Colony police station and then to an apartment in Dwarka, where electrodes were attached to his genitals and power was switched on. (Delhi’s secret detention centres are located at Dwarka in south-west Delhi, the Inter-state Cell of the Crime Branch in Chanakyapuri in central Delhi, and the Lodhi Colony police station in south Delhi.)

“After my arrest on September 12, I was taken to Pune, where I was shown pictures of many Kashmiri boys,” Parvez said in the letter. “They wanted me to identify them. As I didn’t know any one of them, they brought me to Delhi again and threw me into the torture chamber of Lodhi Road [sic] police station. They took off my clothes and started beating me like an animal, so ruthlessly that my feet and fingers started bleeding. I was later forced to clean the blood-stained floor with my underwear. They gave me electric shocks and stretched my legs to extreme limits, resulting in internal haemorrhage. I started passing blood with my urine and stool. Later I was shifted to one flat near Delhi airport [he later identified the place as Dwarka]. From the adjacent flats, voices of crying and screaming had been coming, indicating presence of other persons being tortured.”

Throughout his detention, wrote Parvez, he was asked to lie to his parents that everything was fine. In the letter he also gave the mobile number from which the calls were made-9960565152. His family is trying to collect the call site details of the number to prove his illegal detention.
Delhi-based journalist Iftikhar Geelani, who spent nine days in the Lodhi Colony police station after his arrest in 2002 on spying charges, is yet to get over the traumatic experience. “There are lock-ups with such low ceilings that a person will not be able to stand,” he said. “There is an interrogation centre within the police station where people are brutally tortured with cables, and some are completely undressed and abused. They also have a facility to raise the temperature of the cell to a point where it is unbearable and then suddenly bring it down to freezing cold.”

Assistant Commissioner Rajan Bhagat, spokesman for the Delhi Police, denied the existence of such facilities. “Nobody ever asked me the question [about secret detention centres],” he said. “We don’t operate any such facility in our police stations.”
But Maloy Krishna Dhar, former joint director of the IB, confirmed the existence of secret detention centres in Delhi and other parts of the country. He was convinced that detention outside the police station and torture are an inevitable part of the war on terrorism. “Now I would never dream of doing the things I did when I was in charge,” said Dhar. “But security agencies need such facilities.” Interrogating suspected terrorists at secret detention centres, he said, is the most effective way to gather intelligence. “If you produce a suspect before court, he will never give you anything after that,” he said. In other words, once you record the arrest you are within the realm of the law and you have to acknowledge the rights of the accused-arrested and contend with his lawyer.

An officer who worked in one of the detention centres admitted that extreme physical and psychological torture, based loosely on the regime in Guantanamo Bay, is used to extract information from the detainees. It includes assault on the senses (pounding the ear with loud and disturbing music) and sleep deprivation, keeping prisoners naked to degrade and humiliate them, and forcibly administering drugs through the rectum to further break down their dignity. “The interrogators isolate key operatives so that the interrogator is the only person they see each day,” he said. “In extreme cases we use pethidine injections. It will make a person crazy.”

Molvi Iqbal from Uttar Pradesh, a suspected member of the Harkat-ul-Jihadi-Islami who is currently lodged in Tihar, was held at a secret detention centre for two months according to his relatives. They alleged that during interrogation a chip was implanted under his skin so that his movements could be tracked if he tried to escape. “He fears that the chip is still inside his skin,” said one of his relatives. “That has shattered him.”

Kolkata has its own Gitmos in Bhabani Bhawan, now the headquarters of the Criminal Investigation Department, and the Alipore Retreat in Tollygunj, a bungalow that is said to have 20 rooms. They were bursting at the seams at the height of the Naxalite movement, but are more or less quiet now. “A large number of innocent people, as well as suspected terrorists, have disappeared after being taken to such secret detention centres,” said Kirity Roy, a Kolkata-based human rights lawyer. “Their bodies would later be found, if at all, in the fields.”

That was how militancy was tackled, first in Punjab and then in Kashmir. Today no secret prison exists in Kashmir officially after the notorious Papa-2 interrogation centre was closed down. But secret torture cells thrive across the state. The most notorious ones are the Cargo Special Operation Group (SOG) camp in Haftchinar area in Srinagar and Humhama in Budgam district. Then there are the joint interrogation centres in Khanabal area of Anantnag district and Talab Tillo and Poonch areas in Jammu region. Detentions at JICs could last months. Lawyers in Kashmir have filed 15,000 petitions since 1990 seeking the whereabouts of the detainees and the charges against them without avail.

The most recent victim of the torture regime was Manzoor Ahmed Beigh, 40, who was picked by the SOG from Alucha Bagh area in Srinagar on May 18. His family alleged that he was chained up, hung upside down from the ceiling and ruthlessly beaten up. He died the same night. Following public outrage, the officer in charge of the camp was dismissed from the service in June.

Maqbool Sahil, a Srinagar-based photojournalist who was held at Hariniwas interrogation centre for 15 days, says it is a miracle that he is alive today. “If you tell them [interrogators] you are innocent, they will torture you so ruthlessly that you will break down and confess to anything,” he says.
Human rights organisations are understandably concerned. Navaz Kotwal, coordinator of the Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative, said that there should be an open debate on the illegal detention centres. “The US had a debate on the Gitmos. Our government should come forward and respond to these allegations,” she said.

No one wants to compromise the nation’s safety, but the torture becomes unbearable, and questionable, when innocent people like the 14-year-old boy Irfan suffer (see box on page 30). The security of the country and its people is important and terrorism should be crushed at all cost. But the largest democracy in the world should also ensure that human rights are not violated.

Dhar defended the secret prison system, arguing that the successful defence of the country required that the security establishment be empowered to hold and interrogate suspected terrorists for as long as necessary and without restrictions imposed by the legal system. “The primary mission of the agencies is to save the nation both by overt and covert means from any terrorist threat,” he said. “But to keep the programme secret is a horrible burden.”

[gadoonwal]

Stop making fool of us either that you care for us.How much you care its quite evident from your actions.You never criticise your favorite bad mouthed posters.First comes up with justice at minor level...i ll come up with justice at more level.The terrorists of uzbek hazara etc are also trained in india.then they are let loose on borders killing more pashtuns on both sides...i can give proof...whats your proof??

man you are joking to ask this question.
I think the talibs getting weapons from the sky.
The angles transported terrorists to school.
Get a life and do,nt make fool of yourself.
The whole world knows this dirty paki zombies and their paki masters.
Yes,the hazaras and others might be trained in india so what?
Did they attack pashtunkhwa,peshawar,quetta etc?
no
Ask your pashtuns to lay down their arms and be part of ANA and bring pashtun influecne there.
why we pashtuns always fighting others,s wars.
pls tell us on this issue.
whats wrong with us.
why can,nt we defend our own inetersts?

[ghumbasa]

man you are joking to ask this question.
I think the talibs getting weapons from the sky.
The angles transported terrorists to school.
Get a life and do,nt make fool of yourself.
The whole world knows this dirty paki zombies and their paki masters.
Yes,the hazaras and others might be trained in india so what?
Did they attack pashtunkhwa,peshawar,quetta etc?
no
Ask your pashtuns to lay down their arms and be part of ANA and bring pashtun influecne there.
why we pashtuns always fighting others,s wars.
pls tell us on this issue.
whats wrong with us.
why can,nt we defend our own inetersts?

Kurram agency had hazara infilteration some months back...and they kidapped and raped some pashtun girls and killed many pashtun families.They looted the gold and money ..pulled ears of women and gave cuts while taking jewlry by force.Many fled and took refuge in peshawer till the area was cleared and hazaras were pushed back to their hell hole from where they came.While escaping many pashtuns died on way and some were engulfed by river.
So what if 25000 hazaras are trained in india?
Then i ll say the same so what if some khawarij are trained in pakistan? Do you see the similarity ?? Be impartial in your views.