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  • #31
    Keep dreaming for victory...but no true victory comes without the help of Allah and that comes with beliefs in His signs.Likes of you can sigh and mourn but victory is not meant for nationalism ..its for kalma.
    sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

    And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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    • #32
      I have no problem with religious people or religion itself, until you respect the right and values of others---the moment you impose those fairytales on others--by some very dirty tactics then we have problems. If you read history of religion---from human worship the unknown--moon, sun, fire, Egyptian, Greek, Indians-- until modern religion--our concept of god has evolved tremendously. Before too people were scared of their gods, Hindus are scared of Ram, Shiva, so on....using fear is how religion works---fear of unknown, fear of death--greatest unknown. We are part of a natural/process much more complex than black and white believes of religions. There is a creator, must be--but he does not give a rat how you treat each other. Personally I think the simple reason for lack of evolving will be Islam’s Achilles' heel and it will fall---just like communism---flat on his face. For in nature every fiber in this world is in process of evolving, you don’t let religion evolve it cannot survive.
      Stop scaring people of fairytales, and learn how to kill these fears in a healthy way that will be beneficial for you and rest of human beings.
      Last edited by Azmal; 12-07-2014, 11:08 PM.
      ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
      نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

      چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
      نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

      سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
      بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

      چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
      يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

      سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
      په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

      ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
      اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Azmal View Post
        I have no problem with religious people or religion itself, until you respect the right and values of others---the moment you impose those fairytales on others--by some very dirty tactics then we have problems. If you read history of religion---from human worship the unknown--moon, sun, fire, Egyptian, Greek, Indians-- until modern religion--our concept of god has evolved tremendously. Before too people were scared of their gods, Hindus are scared of Ram, Shiva, so on....using fear is how religion works---fear of unknown, fear of death--greatest unknown. We are part of a natural/process much more complex than black and white believes of religions. There is a creator, must be--but he does not give a rat how you treat each other. Personally I think the simple reason for lack of evolving will be Islam’s Achilles' heel and it will fall---just like communism---flat on his face. For in nature every fiber in this world is in process of evolving, you don’t let religion evolve it cannot survive.
        Stop scaring people of fairytales, and learn how to kill these fears in a healthy way that will be beneficial for you and rest of human beings.
        Natural process doesnt come from itself...Neither does it proves that human beings came to existance on its own.
        Even science is going towards religion for explanation of many things.There is difference between evolving and coming into existance into a being out of nothing.This we call as the work of an Intelligent Being...a Creator called Allah.


        Now as far as scaring or fairy tales are involved.In every religion concept of hell and heaven is described but nations later on turnec to deviations by following the path of satan...which you call as evolving in religion...we call it bidah or forbidden actions.So many tgose nations despiteof their deviations or evolving as you call...with all might and power...were destroyed by Allah.

        Many idols are related to the work of satan..misguiding people.Whenever there are idols there are shayateen.Cause satan is a sworn enemy.
        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        • #34
          In Quran Allah Almighty says:

          “[Remember] when your Lord extracted from the loins of Adam’s children their descendants and made them testify (saying): ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They said: ‘Yes, we testify to it.’ [This was] in case you say on the Day of Judgment: ‘We were unaware of this.’ Or you say: “It was our ancestors who worshipped others besides God and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those falsifier did?”(7:172-173)
          sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

          And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
            Keep dreaming for victory...but no true victory comes without the help of Allah and that comes with beliefs in His signs.Likes of you can sigh and mourn but victory is not meant for nationalism ..its for kalma.
            lol tell that to your arab master who doesn't allow their women to marry a muslim from another country, I bet you are also so nationalistic that you would even kill your daughter or sister if she would marry a foreigner, even if the foreigner is a good muslim who has a good job and would treat your duaghter/sister much better that any one else.

            Speaking of nationalism the most die hard wahabist are the bigest of them all, you people are so xenofobic that you even marry inside the family and breed retarded children, so just to feel safe and don't have to come in contact with other families, even if those families belong to your own ethnic group and tribe. And than complain about secularist being nationalistic or racist, typical hypocrite.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Khostai View Post
              lol tell that to your arab master who doesn't allow their women to marry a muslim from another country, I bet you are also so nationalistic that you would even kill your daughter or sister if she would marry a foreigner, even if the foreigner is a good muslim who has a good job and would treat your duaghter/sister much better that any one else.

              Speaking of nationalism the most die hard wahabist are the bigest of them all, you people are so xenofobic that you even marry inside the family and breed retarded children, so just to feel safe and don't have to come in contact with other families, even if those families belong to your own ethnic group and tribe. And than complain about secularist being nationalistic or racist, typical hypocrite.
              Baseless accusations...Arabs were presented with women from subcontinent for trade purposes.Who s the racist ?
              Khustai you not only ve identity crisis but bad mouthing adds more beauty to your personality.
              sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

              And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                Baseless accusations...Arabs were presented with women from subcontinent for trade purposes.Who s the racist ?
                Khustai you not only ve identity crisis but bad mouthing adds more beauty to your personality.
                women with trade purposes??? Why are you so retarded? where do you read this ****? Where have I typed about women trade or what ever? Typical stinky paki, the smell of cow **** must have retarded you even futher.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                  women with trade purposes??? Why are you so retarded? where do you read this ****? Where have I typed about women trade or what ever? Typical stinky paki, the smell of cow **** must have retarded you even futher.
                  Lol...truth hurts its ok.Just as in past slaves were made by both europeans and some arabs ...esp africans were sold.Same way...the reality that women from subcontinent were presented to arab for trade of oil etc.Among elites esp.Arabs were quite happy to accept them..excluding those arabs of al sham.They ve pious generation mostly until recently 3 groups emerging in clashes.
                  Its nothing to do with paki or bdeshi or indian.Its about business and politics that were played by seculars ...Seems like no one has taught you how to talk normally without sputing filth.Hypocrisy is that now seculars defend their morality.
                  sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                  And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                    Lol...truth hurts its ok.Just as in past slaves were made by both europeans and some arabs ...esp africans were sold.Same way...the reality that women from subcontinent were presented to arab for trade of oil etc.Among elites esp.Arabs were quite happy to accept them..excluding those arabs of al sham.They ve pious generation mostly until recently 3 groups emerging in clashes.
                    Its nothing to do with paki or bdeshi or indian.Its about business and politics that were played by seculars ...Seems like no one has taught you how to talk normally without sputing filth.Hypocrisy is that now seculars defend their morality.
                    Hypocracy is you and your dum wahabist friends who accuse secularists of being nationalists and racist, but themself will never accept a foreign muslim as their equal.

                    I don't know where the slave and women trade has to do with this topic??? Your stupidity amuses me every time.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                      Hypocracy is you and your dum wahabist friends who accuse secularists of being nationalists and racist, but themself will never accept a foreign muslim as their equal.

                      I don't know where the slave and women trade has to do with this topic??? Your stupidity amuses me every time.
                      Who said that foreign muslim are not accepted ? While if you look outside your narrow mind you ll see that in past as well today there are mix generations...cept in some regions where access to world empires wasnt there so people didnt mix outside.Examples are many rulers of past that were mix.

                      Women trade is mentioned because you accuse arabs of not marrying outside their race...while these were seculars from subcontinent themselves who sold their women to arabs for trade purposes...Atleast many such women didnt always end up prostitutes but as wives of sheikhs.While look at subcontinent today...there are whole slave villages of prostitution..esp in india. Had racism been the case...arabs wouldnt ve marrying them.

                      Even then normal marriages are carried out between arabs and subcontinental muslims.Today you ve some their mix generation studying in american and uk universities.So stop accusing people racist.

                      And btw...the highest trend these days is of indian and bangladeshi muslims marrying morrocon and egyptian women.
                      sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                      And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        Hypocracy is you and your dum wahabist friends who accuse secularists of being nationalists and racist, but themself will never accept a foreign muslim as their equal.

                        I don't know where the slave and women trade has to do with this topic??? Your stupidity amuses me every time.
                        I forgot to mention that you ve just recently learnt wahabi word and repeat every now and then.If with this frequency you start saying kalima you d be a wali/sufi by now.
                        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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