Is Pakistan a Warrior State?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Ahannnn.... You could not find place for secularism in Pakistan so you are coming with a new slogan of nationalism hahah.... But this is a failed idea.
If you are not sure, please ask your army and they will hit you on your jaws if you even speak of getting rid of ideology of Pakistan.
Your army dies in the name of religion and when he goes for a war he is reminded the stories of sahaba e kiram and they are told that Rasool pak s.a.w is will be waiting for them if you die and if came back you will be a ghazi. if you have any doubt listen to the songs of Noor jehan.
also never forget to listen to zaid hamid hahahahah..... cheers

What do you mean by secularism?Secularism doesn't mean that PA will no more want to die for Islam.

anyway,Army is the most Secular Institute of Pakistan

[jankhan]

Religion indeed is one of the factor but alone religion could not be a factor of unity(Two nation theory died back in 1971 with Bangladesh formation).

Pakistaniyat today is a complex of Religion,People,History,culture and unity

Two nation theory died ?????????? what a joke !!!! I think you are drunk.
Your army never ever wants to have good relations with India.... Establishment has always been and still now persuing an anti india policy. wake up guy wake up

[DSM0305]

Religion indeed is one of the factor but alone religion could not be a factor of unity(Two nation theory died back in 1971 with Bangladesh formation).

Pakistaniyat today is a complex of Religion,People,History,culture and unity

We all know and even you know, that Bangladesh separated because of the unfair treatment. So that has nothing to do with what we're taking about.

Be honest with yourself, that Pakistan is solely based on religious unity. If not, then I want you to prove me; What kind of cultural and historical unity does the different ethnicities in Pakistan have with each other.

[jankhan]

What do you mean by secularism?Secularism doesn't mean that PA will no more want to die for Islam.

anyway,Army is the most Secular Institute of Pakistan

army generals are secular but the common army man whose blood spills in wars, is religious and the secular army generals can't and don't want to take out this idea from their minds because they very well know the outcome.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Two nation theory died ?????????? what a joke !!!! I think you are drunk.
Your army never ever wants to have good relations with India.... Establishment has always been and still now persuing an anti india policy. wake up guy wake up

In reality it did died with the formation of Bangladesh.Infact Muslim League coined the concept of Two nation theory to Strengthen the Struggle for Pakistan even more as Religion is the most driving factor for Muslims.

Otherwise the main speech made by Jinnah with the formation of Pakistan was secular and is the reason he named Pakistan as "State of Pakistan" Instead of Islamic Republic though the Islamic Republic was put in 1956.

Read History and Don't try to become Toramoma

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

We all know and even you know, that Bangladesh separated because of the unfair treatment. So that has nothing to do with what we're taking about.

Be honest with yourself, that Pakistan is solely based on religious unity. If not, then I want you to prove me; What kind of cultural and historical unity does the different ethnicities in Pakistan have with each other.

On many ocassion the current geography of Pakistan was a unified territory(Such as Indus Valley civlization).

As i earlier said,Religion indeed was among the main driving factor as Jinnah even though very secular was clever enough to use the religion card.

Islam in itself is 40-50% of Culture of the muslim world.The Culture Similarities let say b/w Punjabi and Pashtuns is that 50-60% of the Cuisine is similar,Cultural dress is similar and even look are similar.

[jankhan]

We all know and even you know, that Bangladesh separated because of the unfair treatment. So that has nothing to do with what we're taking about.

Be honest with yourself, that Pakistan is solely based on religious unity. If not, then I want you to prove me; What kind of cultural and historical unity does the different ethnicities in Pakistan have with each other.

he can't be honest because he is a liar. He is a big supporter of army and claim that army is secular. I challenge him if he can show me a single statement of army where he states that army is secular then i am ready for any punishment da bannu guy wants to give me....
even kiani reassured the whole nation several times of being an islamic static and defending the two nation theory.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

army generals are secular but the common army man whose blood spills in wars, is religious and the secular army generals can't and don't want to take out this idea from their minds because they very well know the outcome.

What idea/ideology are you talking about?

[jankhan]

What idea/ideology are you talking about?

two nation theory + pakistan ideology + shahaadat + ghazaa + jihaad + jihaad against india i mean ghazwa e hind + anti israel sentiment...
All these terms very relates to religion and islam and not secularism.

[DSM0305]

On many ocassion the current geography of Pakistan was a unified territory(Such as Indus Valley civlization).

As i earlier said,Religion indeed was among the main driving factor as Jinnah even though very secular was clever enough to use the religion card.

Islam in itself is 40-50% of Culture of the muslim world.The Culture Similarities let say b/w Punjabi and Pashtuns is that 50-60% of the Cuisine is similar,Cultural dress is similar and even look are similar.

Persian empire, Mongol empire, Alexander the great, Ahmad Shah Baba, Hotaki dynasty, mughuls, lodi, suri etc. god know how many others. Many of them had control of the same geographic locations, but it doesn't make us represent of those empires/civilizations.

So using Indus valley civilization as a factor is quite stupid, even you know that. You just don't want to admit it.

Religion isn't the main driving factor, it is literally the only one. One never said 'we have different culture lets separate from India' or 'we are different ethnicity, so lets separate from India'. Yet, religion was indeed used in that context.

So basically, religion is only unifying factor in Pakistan. It is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of, actually be proud of it.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

two nation theory + pakistan ideology + shahaadat + ghazaa + jihaad + jihaad against india i mean ghazwa e hind + anti israel sentiment...
All these terms very relates to religion and islam and not secularism.

Please Post me Source's directly either Quoting a officer in Service or ISPR related all the above claim you have made,especially about Ghazwa e hind(Not the words of your daddy zaid hamid,which you kids take as serious as the word of Gospel)

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Persian empire, Mongol empire, Alexander the great, Ahmad Shah Baba, Hotaki dynasty, mughuls, lodi, suri etc. god know how many others. Many of them had control of the same geographic locations, but it doesn't make us represent of those empires/civilizations.

So using Indus valley civilization as a factor is quite stupid, even you know that. You just don't want to admit it.

Religion isn't the main driving factor, it is literally the only one. One never said 'we have different culture lets separate from India' or 'we are different ethnicity, so lets separate from India'. Yet, religion was indeed used in that context.

So basically, religion is only unifying factor in Pakistan. It is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of, actually be proud of it.

Religion indeed is the most important factor and we are Proud of it But Pakistan has come a long way,Today religion is not the only factor.

I said today as Baloch are secular people and they are with Pakistan not because of Just religion

[DSM0305]

he can't be honest because he is a liar. He is a big supporter of army and claim that army is secular. I challenge him if he can show me a single statement of army where he states that army is secular then i am ready for any punishment da bannu guy wants to give me....
even kiani reassured the whole nation several times of being an islamic static and defending the two nation theory.

I agree. I just don't understand why he is ashamed of the fact that Pakistan is based upon religion. He have denied it, since he joined this forum.

[DSM0305]

Religion indeed is the most important factor and we are Proud of it But Pakistan has come a long way,Today religion is not the only factor.

I said today as Baloch are secular people and they are with Pakistan not because of Just religion

It doesn't matter whether one is secular or not. The unity in Pakistan is still based on religion. Even if every Pakistani become secular, it wont change the fact that the unity amongst them is the religion.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

It doesn't matter whether one is secular or not. The unity in Pakistan is still based on religion. Even if every Pakistani become secular, it wont change the fact that the unity amongst them is the religion.

It is indeed but i am repeating it the last time that it is not the only factor of unity,I agree it is the greatest factor but today not the only one.

nationalism is way too strong.Infact today the Anti India factor for the unity of Pakistan is more or less almost as much important as much the religion is.