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    The Warrior State: Pakistan in the Contemporary World by Canada's McGill University Professor Thazha Varkey Paul, a graduate of India's Jawaharlal Nehru University, describes Pakistan as a "warrior state" and a "conspicuous failure". It is among a slew of recently published anti-Pakistan books by mainly Indian and western authors which paint Pakistan as a rogue state which deserves to be condemned, isolated and sanctioned by the international community.



    As Pakistanis celebrate 74th anniversary of the 1940 Lahore Resolution calling for the partition of India, it is important to examine TV Paul's narrative about Pakistan and fact-check the assertions underlying his narrative.

    Here's a point-by-point response to Paul's narrative:

    1. Paul argues: Seemingly from its birth, Pakistan has teetered on the brink of becoming a failed state.

    In 1947 at the time of independence, Pakistan was described as "nissen hut" by British Viceroy of India Lord Mountbatten in a conversation with Jawarhar Lal Nehru. However, Pakistan defied this expectation that it would not survive as an independent nation and the partition of India would be quickly reversed. Pakistan not only survived but thrived with itseconomic growth rate easily exceeding the "Hindu growth rate" in India for most of its history.





    Even now when the economic growth rate has considerably slowed, Pakistan has lower levels of poverty and hunger than its neighbor India, according UNDP and IFPRI. The key reason for lower poverty in Pakistan is its per capita value added in agriculture which is twice that of India. Agriculture employs 40% of Pakistanis and 60% of Indians. The poor state of rural India can be gauged by the fact that an Indian farmer commits suicide every 30 minutes.

    2. Paul: Its economy is as dysfunctional as its political system is corrupt; both rely heavily on international aid for their existence.

    The fact is that foreign to aid to Pakistan has been declining as a percentage of its GDP since 1960s when it reached a peak of 11% of GDP in 1963. Today, foreign aid makes up less than 2% of its GDP of $240 billion.





    3. Paul: Taliban forces occupy 30 percent of the country.

    The Taliban "occupy" a small part of FATA called North Waziristan which is about 4,700 sq kilometers, about 0.5% of its 796,000 sq kilometers area. Talking about insurgents "occupying" territory, about 40% of Indian territory is held by Maoist insurgents in the "red corridor" in Central India, according to Indian security analyst Bharat Verma.

    4. Paul: It possesses over a hundred nuclear weapons that could easily fall into terrorists' hands.

    A recent assessment by Nuclear Threat Initiative ranked Pakistan above India on "Nuclear Materials Security Index".

    5. Paul: Why, in an era when countries across the developing world are experiencing impressive economic growth and building democratic institutions, has Pakistan been such a conspicuous failure?

    Pakistan's nominal GDP has quadrupled from $60 billion in 2000 to $240 billion now. Along with total GDP, Pakistan's GDP per capita has also grown significantly over the years, from about $500 in Year 2000 to $1000 per person in 2006 on President Musharraf's watch, elevating it from a low-income to a middle-income country in the last decade.I wouldn't call that a failure.





    Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill, the economist who coined BRIC, has put Pakistan among the Next 11 group in terms of growth in the next several decades.

    6. Paul argues that the "geostrategic curse"--akin to the "resource curse" that plagues oil-rich autocracies--is at the root of Pakistan's unique inability to progress. Since its founding in 1947, Pakistan has been at the center of major geopolitical struggles: the US-Soviet rivalry, the conflict with India, and most recently the post 9/11 wars.

    Pakistan is no more a warrior state that many others in the world. It spends no more than 3% of its GDP on defense, lower than most of the nations of the world.

    7. Paul says: No matter how ineffective the regime is, massive foreign aid keeps pouring in from major powers and their allies with a stake in the region.The reliability of such aid defuses any pressure on political elites to launch the far-reaching domestic reforms necessary to promote sustained growth, higher standards of living, and more stable democratic institutions.

    "Massive foreign aid" adds up to less than 1% of Pakistan's GDP. Pakistan's diaspora sends it over 5% of Pakistan's GDP in remittances.

    8. Paul: Excessive war-making efforts have drained Pakistan's limited economic resources without making the country safer or more stable. Indeed, despite the regime's emphasis on security, the country continues to be beset by widespread violence and terrorism.

    In spite of spending just 3% of its GDP which is average for its size, Pakistan has achieved strategic parity with India by developing nuclear weapons. It has since prevented India from invading Pakistan as it did in 1971 to break up the country. Pakistani military has shown in Swat in 2009 that it is quite capable of dealing with insurgents when ordered to do so by the civilian govt.



    While it is true that Pakistan has not lived up to its potential when compared with other US Cold War allies in East and Southeast Asia, it is wrong to describe it as "conspicuous failure". Pakistan should be compared with other countries in South Asia region, not East Asia or Southeast Asia. Comparison with its South Asian neighbors India and Bangladesh shows that an average Pakistani is less poor, less hungry and more upwardly mobile, according to credible data from multiple independent sources.

    Pakistan is neither a "warrior state" nor a "conspicuous failure" as argued by Professor TV Paul. To the contrary, it has been the victim of the invading Indian Army in 1971 which cut off its eastern wing. Pakistan has built a minimum nuclear deterrent in response to India's development of a nuclear arsenal. Pakistan has responded to the 1971 trauma by ensuring that such a tragedy does not happen again, particularly through a foreign invasion.

    Today, Pakistan faces some of the toughest challenges of its existence. It has to deal with the Taliban insurgency and a weak economy. It has to solve its deepening energy crisis. It has to address growing water scarcity. While I believe Pakistanis are a very resilient and determined people, the difficult challenges they face will test them, particularly their leaders who have been falling short of their expectations in recent years.

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    People are expecting too much from Pakistan despite knowing that in 1947,we had to start from zero(One university and a defunct cement factory),followed by bloody history with internal and external conflicts throughout the history.

    Yes onwards 2020,The image will be different as we will be having a literacy rate atleast more than 75% and a GDP (Nominal-700Billion dollars+,GDP PPP More than 1.5Trillion dollars) with mega infrastructure projects to be completed around 2018-19,no terrorism and tourism in excess of atleast 5-8Millions.

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    **Even though i can't stop but i shall be very thankful to members like toramana,jangkhan,kushunprince to not post in this thread.Thanks in Advance
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    • #3
      Da Bannu Mazdigar, do you know how GDP (Y = C+I+G+NX) is calculated? If you do, you will realize that the measure, a measure of income or expenditure, only captures transactions that involve market exchange: although it does correlate strongly with quality of life, the problem is that in the agrarian third world, much of the production (farming output) is for household consumption, output that will not be factored into GDP. That is to say, much of the third world has not actually completed the transition from subsistence economy to market economy (where the farming output gets mostly sold), which means that as the third world makes the transition- nominal GDP appears to rapidly rise but this is misleading because that "growth" is more a manifestation of transition of an economic structure than actual growth in economic output (which is what real as opposed to nominal GDP is supposed to measure). In short, GDP really only works as a measure for already industrialized market economies -as in the developed and near developed world- and will not necessarily reflect real rises in living standards in the third world, at least not the extent that it will of complete market economies.



      A better standard for comparative economics in the third world is the HDI (human development index), an index incidentally developed jointly by a Pakistani and Indian, which measures average standards of living (life expectancy, literacy and GDP per capita in PPP). Here Pakistan is not only in the same league as the epitome of a failed state -Afghanistan- but is in fact in the same league as the Sub-Saharan African states. By this measure, not only is India a league above Pakistan (tough that might soon change), but also is even Bangladesh and the poorest among the Central Asian states (Tajikistan). Kazakhstan is now in the same category of HDI as Russia with the rapidly growing Turkmenistan to soon join. In short, both Afghanistan and Pakistan are not only failed states but have failed to even measure up to the Russian satellite states of Central Asia, now that says something doesn't it? Afghanistan, of course, is about to be sent back to the bottom of the bottom once the Americans leave and crap hits teh fan, all that US cash thrown even on infrastructure will likely prove to be squandered.

      But in any case, my friend, it is pointless to even broach economy unless your state has those two most rudimentary of all conditions, the sine qua non, for growth: order and stability. India does satisfy those conditions, Pakistan, being a military/police state, can propagandize and torture it into existence but this is not a sustainable state of affairs in the long run; Afghanistan cannot even do that and will implode in the near future and that will be for the best.
      Last edited by Herat; 07-29-2014, 02:05 PM.

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      • #4
        a warrior state that is also a begger?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herat View Post
          Da Bannu Mazdigar, do you know how GDP (Y = C+I+G+NX) is calculated? If you do, you will realize that the measure, a measure of income or expenditure, only captures transactions that involve market exchange: although it does correlate strongly with quality of life, the problem is that in the agrarian third world, much of the production (farming output) is for household consumption, output that will not be factored into GDP. That is to say, much of the third world has not actually completed the transition from subsistence economy to market economy (where the farming output gets mostly sold), which means that as the third world makes the transition- nominal GDP appears to rapidly rise but this is misleading because that "growth" is more a manifestation of transition of an economic structure than actual growth in economic output (which is what real as opposed to nominal GDP is supposed to measure). In short, GDP really only works as a measure for already industrialized market economies -as in the developed and near developed world- and will not necessarily reflect real rises in living standards in the third world, at least not the extent that it will of complete market economies.



          A better standard for comparative economics in the third world is the HDI (human development index), an index incidentally developed jointly by a Pakistani and Indian, which measures average standards of living (life expectancy, literacy and GDP per capita in PPP). Here Pakistan is not only in the same league as the epitome of a failed state -Afghanistan- but is in fact in the same league as the Sub-Saharan African states. By this measure, not only is India a league above Pakistan (tough that might soon change), but also is even Bangladesh and the poorest among the Central Asian states (Tajikistan). Kazakhstan is now in the same category of HDI as Russia with the rapidly growing Turkmenistan to soon join. In short, both Afghanistan and Pakistan are not only failed states but have failed to even measure up to the Russian satellite states of Central Asia, now that says something doesn't it? Afghanistan, of course, is about to be sent back to the bottom of the bottom once the Americans leave and crap hits teh fan, all that US cash thrown even on infrastructure will likely prove to be squandered.

          But in any case, my friend, it is pointless to even broach economy unless your state has those two most rudimentary of all conditions, the sine qua non, for growth: order and stability. India does satisfy those conditions, Pakistan, being a military/police state, can propagandize and torture it into existence but this is not a sustainable state of affairs in the long run; Afghanistan cannot even do that and will implode in the near future and that will be for the best.
          HDI indeed is the best measure but Pakistan is Mostly affected because of Terrorism in the past decade otherwise Pakistan had Higher per capita income than India for more than 6 decades and is still having a higher per capita income than Bangladesh.Poverty incase of Pakistan even by %age is low in Pakistan when compared with India/Bangladesh and having higher literacy rate than Bangladesh(Even though not official but recent survey indicates 64% literacy rate for Pakistan)

          So in the End,Terrorism is the reason behind all the chaos in Pakistan

          NOTE:I am considering july-july 2013-14 and Jan-july 2013-14 Terrorist activities Comparision in Pakistan and will surely post it.Even though i have not even started yet but the decrease Overall this year is more than 50-60% and july-july difference(Basically since the start of zarbeazb) decease is more than 150-180% with expected decrease in august to be in excess of 300% considering as the operation is headed.

          Nearly all the indicates for Pakistan Economy are positive,be it the Growth rate(From 2.1% in 2010-11 to 6.1% or comparable to Bangladesh in 2014) thats one hell of a increase.

          Anyway i can asure you that Pakistan by next year will be in the medium Level HDI countries as we are on the brink with from terrorism to economics all in positive today.

          At the end of the day,Pakistan was bound to be affected by the USA invasion of Afghanistan,Anyway the fencing has already begun which can asure us that we will be very less affected from any other major event to happen in Afghanistan post Withdrawal
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
            a warrior state that is also a begger?
            Please explain your Post
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            • #7
              Beggar state is more like it.
              "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

              -Old Pashtun proverb




              "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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              • #8
                Pakistan needs a new constitution. You have to get rid of this constitution of Islamism and changing the name from Islamic Republic to just Republic.

                Here is a very very good article

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                  Pakistan needs a new constitution. You have to get rid of this constitution of Islamism and changing the name from Islamic Republic to just Republic.

                  Here is a very very good article

                  http://www.dawn.com/news/1124904/her...s-constitution
                  Remember, this constitution is the real Pakistan otherwise there is no Pakistan. Otherwise there is sindh, balochistan and pashtunistan. The stregnthening bond that has united Pakistan is the constitution and its ideology.
                  Get rid of this constitution and get rid of Pakistan.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jankhan View Post
                    Remember, this constitution is the real Pakistan otherwise there is no Pakistan. Otherwise there is sindh, balochistan and pashtunistan. The stregnthening bond that has united Pakistan is the constitution and its ideology.
                    Get rid of this constitution and get rid of Pakistan.
                    Not True,Pakistan is based off "Pakistaniyat"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      Not True,Pakistan is based off "Pakistaniyat"
                      What is 'Pakistaniyat'?
                      Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                      People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                      ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                      Ronald Reagan

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                      Pashto dictionary:
                      http://thepashto.com/index.php

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
                        What is 'Pakistaniyat'?
                        Concept of which Pakistan is based on.

                        The Pakistani People,History,culture and unity
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                          Not True,Pakistan is based off "Pakistaniyat"
                          Ahannnn.... You could not find place for secularism in Pakistan so you are coming with a new slogan of nationalism hahah.... But this is a failed idea.
                          If you are not sure, please ask your army and they will hit you on your jaws if you even speak of getting rid of ideology of Pakistan.
                          Your army dies in the name of religion and when he goes for a war he is reminded the stories of sahaba e kiram and they are told that Rasool pak s.a.w is will be waiting for them if you die and if came back you will be a ghazi. if you have any doubt listen to the songs of Noor jehan.
                          also never forget to listen to zaid hamid hahahahah..... cheers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                            Concept of which Pakistan is based on.

                            The Pakistani People,History,culture and unity
                            Every ethnicity in Pakistan have different culture, history etc.
                            The concept of Pakistan is based on religion(nothing wrong with that). Just accept facts, instead of denying it. If anything, religion is even stronger unifying concepts. So nothing to be ashamed of.
                            Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                            People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                            ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                            Ronald Reagan

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                            Pashto dictionary:
                            http://thepashto.com/index.php

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
                              Every ethnicity in Pakistan have different culture, history etc.
                              The concept of Pakistan is based on religion(nothing wrong with that). Just accept facts, instead of denying it. If anything, religion is even stronger unifying concepts. So nothing to be ashamed of.
                              Religion indeed is one of the factor but alone religion could not be a factor of unity(Two nation theory died back in 1971 with Bangladesh formation).

                              Pakistaniyat today is a complex of Religion,People,History,culture and unity
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