Dr. Najibullah --- Great Afghan leader and visionary

[BarakzaiAbdali]

@ barakzai

you always want to make a scholary point or atleast i have such an impression .

i give you one advice (even you as an elite graduate doesnt need it and it can be also directed to alot of the people here , not all , but alot and to some degree to myself .)

talk about things you know about !

We know quiet a lot about him, thank you.

you were not at this time in afghanistan ,and you didnt witnessed what happend there first hand , paper is patient . and if you claim that you have relatives who witnessed it , be a little more critical and question in which position ,side or payroll they were .

Well I can tell you that a young 28 year old who left a widow who visited Ismat Muslim and never came back was not on any payroll. Rather, I think you also should question Najib's policies, implementations, and support for local thugs

because the way you are talking about dr.najib or others are far from a critical analysis , but actualy the heired grudge from your parents or uncles or other relatives .

Well, a young widow (at the time) and her son (my cousin) should have more than a grudge for what that ******* did and who he decided to utilize on the people to get his way.

especially some nonsence you are posting which is the lowest propaganda from the day before yesterday .

Show me where that propaganda is? Its all well referenced and supported and there are thousands upon thousands of personal stories and Najib's personal admission to the UN visitor defending his thugger and murder.

he was no angel by no means but compared to what came after him ....well aks anybody IN Afghanistan who witnessed this time .

We have and most relished the Zahir Shah era instead of the monstrosity that came afterwards. Additionally, he is personally responsible as the executive of that country for unleashing forces that were responsive forces to his instigative ones.

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

[MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION]

Dr Barakzai sahib, assalamu alaikum!

May Allah always have you in His benign care.

What [MENTION=3499]abassinafghan[/MENTION] has suggested is very fair and neutral.

With your capacity, I think you could really bring good education to Afghans. Insha Allah!

Thanks brother. We will talk more later.

[abassinafghan]

hhhhhhhhhh

if i a would talk like this it would be appropiate , i am from the gutter .

but a doctor from yale or harvard or stanford .........no comment .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

hhhhhhhhhh

if i a would talk like this it would be appropiate , i am from the gutter .

but a doctor from yale or harvard or stanford .........no comment .

I give what I get. That is why I have never insulted you on that level. I don't let these secularist type sons of bi-tches get by and use that card, doling out insults and not getting the proper response. Each time they say some dum-b shyt, I will be sure to give them equal measure.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

hhhhhhhhhh

if i a would talk like this it would be appropiate , i am from the gutter .

but a doctor from yale or harvard or stanford .........no comment .

Look up his term atraf in his first sentence (how he even knew this is interesting) - I went easy on him this time.

[abassinafghan]

Originally Posted by abassinafghan
@ barakzai

you always want to make a scholary point or atleast i have such an impression .

i give you one advice (even you as an elite graduate doesnt need it and it can be also directed to alot of the people here , not all , but alot and to some degree to myself .)

talk about things you know about !

We know quiet a lot about him, thank you.

you were not at this time in afghanistan ,and you didnt witnessed what happend there first hand , paper is patient . and if you claim that you have relatives who witnessed it , be a little more critical and question in which position ,side or payroll they were .

Well I can tell you that a young 28 year old who left a widow who visited Ismat Muslim and never came back was not on any payroll. Rather, I think you also should question Najib's policies, implementations, and support for local thugs

because the way you are talking about dr.najib or others are far from a critical analysis , but actualy the heired grudge from your parents or uncles or other relatives .

Well, a young widow (at the time) and her son (my cousin) should have more than a grudge for what that ******* did and who he decided to utilize on the people to get his way.

especially some nonsence you are posting which is the lowest propaganda from the day before yesterday .

Show me where that propaganda is? Its all well referenced and supported and there are thousands upon thousands of personal stories and Najib's personal admission to the UN visitor defending his thugger and murder.

he was no angel by no means but compared to what came after him ....well aks anybody IN Afghanistan who witnessed this time .

We have and most relished the Zahir Shah era instead of the monstrosity that came afterwards. Additionally, he is personally responsible as the executive of that country for unleashing forces that were responsive forces to his instigative ones.

"We know quiet a lot about him, thank you." we ? now you talk in plural ? its about you son !

"Well I can tell you that a young 28 year old who left a widow who visited Ismat Muslim and never came back was not on any payroll. Rather, I think you also should question Najib's policies, implementations, and support for local thugs"

it can be true that you aka was a innocent , many good people ended in the wrong place , but as you know many people were also involved in many things , it could be also a personal badi . to make it your personal issue is one thing judging politics another .

i could tell you also alot of stories which are very fine , where innocent even old people came into crossfire , just for the case of being related to some one . but it doesnt change anything .

[Khostai]

hhhhhhhhhh

if i a would talk like this it would be appropiate , i am from the gutter .

but a doctor from yale or harvard or stanford .........no comment .

From a reliable source I know that he is not a doctor but a toilet cleaner, he was just cleaning toilets in some hospital and now took over this persona that he is a doctor.

He just uses and quates a lot of shady sources and cherry picks what fits his agenda and twists everything. He is not an educated person, he is justa nother jahil wahabist. And I bet he will not use some profanity to make his point again. lol

[Tamim]

I am in no way taking Dr. Barakzai's side, we have our difference, but the way those who oppose him behave is so repugnant, so obnoxious, so noxious.

[Badlun]

I can understand that when some one hurts you personally or your family then your grudge against that person become intense and subjective but while having an intellectual discussion in a public forum one must be very objective not driven by personal feelings only.

Dr. Najeeb was not the embodiment of evil. He being head of Khad might have committed some cruelties as part of the job but which no one can prove and are only claimed but being president he has no stigma on his character.

His many steps were widely appreciated. as per http://www.khaama.com/dr-najibullah In November 1986, Najibullah was elected president and a new constitution was adopted. Some of the innovations incorporated into the constitution were a multi-party political system, freedom of expression, and an Islamic legal system presided over by an independent judiciary.

Najibullah made an expanded reconciliation offer to the resistance in July 1987, including twenty seats in State (formerly Revolutionary) Council, twelve ministries and a possible prime ministership and Afghanistan’s status as an Islamic non-aligned state.

Najibullah then reorganized his government to face the mujahedeen alone. A new constitution took effect in November, 1987. The name of the country was reverted to the Republic of Afghanistan, the State Council was replaced by a National Assembly for which multiple parties could freely compete. Mohammad Hasan Sharq, a non-party politician, was named Prime Minister.

On June 7, 1988, President Najibullah addressed the UN General Assembly in request of support for a peace solution of the crisis in Afghanistan.

Kabul had achieved a stalemate which exposed the mujahedeen weaknesses, political and military. Najibullah’s government survived for another four years. Divisions within his own ranks – including the defection of General Abdul Rashid Dostum – helped weaken the government’s resolve. Eventually, determined American support for the mujahedeen would prove decisive.

Najibullah had been working on a compromise settlement to end the civil war with Ahmad Shah Massoud, brokered by the United Nations. However, talks broke down and the government fell, and by 1992 Najibullah agreed to step down in favor of a transitional government. He also announced that a bicameral parliament would be established “within a few months,” on the basis of “free and democratic elections.”

There was widespread international condemnation, particularly from the Muslim world.

(Only Barakzai so far I know is happy on the way he was executed)

[Tamim]

^tfs.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

From a reliable source I know that he is not a doctor but a toilet cleaner, he was just cleaning toilets in some hospital and now took over this persona that he is a doctor.

Fascinating, the same source told me you had no testicles. So you might wanna reassess his reliability Jeeves. Additionally, he told me he was apart of your clientel during your red light district work - so when he saw me I was treating the STDs you gave him (ceftriaxone for the gonorrhea and doxy for the clap you transmitted)... so yeah he used my office bathroom and probably got the wrong idea.

He just uses and quates a lot of shady sources

Correction, high impact factor sources to rebut your retarded references like reddit.com

and cherry picks what fits his agenda and twists everything.

^Classic loser excuse

He is not an educated person, he is justa nother jahil wahabist. And I bet he will not use some profanity to make his point again.

If the shoe fits, I wear it ---> as in when dealing with profane people I give the b-itch smacks when needed to get you in line

lol
LOL

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

"We know quiet a lot about him, thank you." we ? now you talk in plural ? its about you son !

"Well I can tell you that a young 28 year old who left a widow who visited Ismat Muslim and never came back was not on any payroll. Rather, I think you also should question Najib's policies, implementations, and support for local thugs"

it can be true that you aka was a innocent , many good people ended in the wrong place , but as you know many people were also involved in many things , it could be also a personal badi . to make it your personal issue is one thing judging politics another .

i could tell you also alot of stories which are very fine , where innocent even old people came into crossfire , just for the case of being related to some one . but it doesnt change anything .

My friend, please ask your family about Ismat Muslim (known locally as Esmat or sometimes Esmetullah) before deciding whether this was badi or not. A large part of why I blame Najib is he personally kept him on even after witnessing the man's stupidity first hand.

I blame Karzai because he resurrected Ismat's ghost with that SOB Abdurrazaq and recently in an interview took ownership for it too.

I have not and will not let the personal cloud the objective, but thus the death, destruction, and factual ground level information reveals two important things:

1) Conspiracy theories used by these Moscowite centric people abound. They make every excuse for their faux prophets like

A) Brzenzski did it all ---> He learned the Quran, dressed up in our clothes, snuck into Afghanistan, radicalized everyone and then left like a Ghost
B) Panjabies did it all etc etc etc
C) Arabs did it all etc etc etc

The ignore the long, recorded testimonies of high level communist officials and best friends of Najib, like Saleh Mohammad Zeary and that rat Sultan Ali Keshtmand admitting that they did many wrongs and had no idea about their own people.

These fools completely ignore these testimonials and evidences and just go on believing their stupid ideologies despite the mountains of evidence, empiric and otherwise, to the contrary simply because their families and parents educated them in this way.

2) They have no concept of their own people at the ground level and what is important to them. They see them as stupid, backwards, and needing to be experimented on.

[Khostai]

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blabla, more verbal **** from a toilet cleaner.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

blabla, more verbal **** from a toilet cleaner.

Oh lol excellent Paisha- you got away from your pimp before he gave you the strong back handed b-itch slap. He probably had rahm on you after I sent you back to him the last time. I got worried he kharsed you to some gang- bangers hence your absence