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  • #16
    Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
    ahahah Wroora. I love you very much! you know that!

    But arabs suffered? Most funny quote by you. It is like say that Europeans has suffered by genocide Native Americas, 2 continents. Native Australias, (Aborigines), 3 continent. Huge mass murder in Africa and Asia.

    Summed to kill more than 500 million people official figures, unofficial maybe a lot more since 400 years back. And I have not even taken figures of MODERN TIMES.

    Arabs to killed and raped a lot of our people and africans since 600 AD.
    Same like to call Mongul-Turks has suffered a lot by wiping out most of homogeneous Eurasia people from east China to east Europe.

    We have suffered, our people has declined, our history has been burned 4 major times. Our children SUFFERS every day.
    Wow seems like there is a lot of hate against Arabs here for some reason. Alright fine, arabs raped, colonized africa, and asia and i have never denied that but what about Pashtuns? Our people have done maybe far worse in india and iran where we had established kingdoms. Shall i remind you that Muhammad of Ghor burned down hindu temples for fun and massacred tons of hindus? Or what about the 3rd battle of panipat where afghan soldiers raped and killed indian women and sold them into slavery afterwards?

    Arabs couldn't have massacred our people, since they were afraid of our tribal mentality mixed with pashtunwali. Like every other invaders, Arabs wanted to get the hell out of there.
    Last edited by Kushan Prince; 07-17-2014, 01:37 PM.
    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

    -Old Pashtun proverb




    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mazdaarya View Post
      My Pashtun people have been victims of war.

      But the Arabs (Semites) have not - in fact they colonized most of North Africa, and the Middle East - destroyed native identities and replaced them with the Arab identity. So don't dare say Arabs are victims of war. They are war criminals - not victims of war. Even the war going on in Israel - it is the Arabs firing rockets into Israel - and when Israel is attacked, they will defend themselves by attacking back. Don't drown in Arab and Muslim propaganda.
      Completely ahistorical and incorrect. While the Arabs have been less than model modern gulf state denizens, your comment borders on tripe (like most others here unreferenced ahistorical and not provable claims).

      For instance, the insinuation you are trying to make, but wont say openly is that Islam itself is an imperialist ideology. Nonsensical in its root since its founder said in the final sermon that the Arab is not superior to the non Arab and its book makes sure to disavow racial or tribal superiority.

      One single example is illustrative to show that in the world as it was, it was conquer or be conquered in the 600s and 700s. There was the famous tradition of the Prophet's letter to Chosroe II who immediately tore up the letter and sent officials to arrest the Prophet, claiming Arabia was his territory.

      On the other side, the other major super power, Byzantium had been claiming Arabian lands even 200 years before Muhammad in their own imperial quests:
      http://books.google.com/books?id=mvQ...arabia&f=false

      Imru Al Qays became Byzantium's client king, this phrase acquires considerable importance for the problem of the Byzantine sphere of influence in Arabia
      In the early acts of the Caliphs and the Prophet they had every right and motivation to ensure the nascent religion and holy land stake out its own claim and conquer or be conquered by the surrounding Persian or Byzantine empires or be subservient to them.

      Another classic example is that Great conqueror of eld, Alexander who stated:

      [QUOTE Alexander the Great said that Arabia was inferior to no country of the earth. He referred to the once famous town of Oman, which had been a harbor of the ancient commerce. It was in the day of Alexander a wilderness. His estimate of these Cu****es was, "Taking them all in all, they are the richest nation of the world."[/QUOTE]
      http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/we/we12.htm

      And had himself planned to invade Arabia before his early death:
      http://books.google.com/books?id=i0o...a=X&ei=6wLIU_3

      He would call it his Arabia Felix expedition should it have occurred.

      Your commentary on Israel and Palestine is utterly idiotic as the Palestinians are, according to Norman Finkelstein, the indigenous people of the area and are dealing with a brutal and oppressive colonizer which has scuttled any attempt at peace and used this effort primarily to scuttle the unity government.

      Regarding our own history, we are no wilting flowers and the Ashfarid response to Ghilzai incursions alongside our own internal conflicts of, for instance Arbab clan on Durrani rule in the Peshawar basin and vice versa hardly shows us to be any different as a tribal grouping. The inflicted wars are: British, Russian, and now American.

      Ahmad Shah Abdali recognized the Caliphate and even sought permission for alliances etc. (Turkic) and Mir Wais had no issue securing religious rule for his insurrection from the heart of the Hijaz itself.
      Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 07-17-2014, 06:26 PM.
      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
        Wow seems like there is a lot of hate against Arabs here for some reason. Alright fine, arabs raped, colonized africa, and asia and i have never denied that but what about Pashtuns? Our people have done maybe far worse in india and iran where we had established kingdoms. Shall i remind you that Muhammad of Ghor burned down hindu temples for fun and massacred tons of hindus? Or what about the 3rd battle of panipat where afghan soldiers raped and killed indian women and sold them into slavery afterwards?

        Arabs couldn't have massacred our people, since they were afraid of our tribal mentality mixed with pashtunwali. Like every other invaders, Arabs wanted to get the hell out of there.

        Give me proof Pashtuns raped Indian women and sold them into slavery!! I must read the book or look it up with some Indian history scholars in Delhi. Give a head start where you read it and your source grana wroor. That you claim of these acts, please. I know about burning temples, mostly because of revenge (badal). So?

        Far I know. traditionally Hindus respect Pashtuns the most, you would not seen bollywood making 1000 of films about Pashtun bravery, loyalty, and other pure noble acts. And So does every single human being who has knowledge of true well raised Pashtuns, no matter the past. I promise. The only few who doesn't like Pashtuns are those racist aggression parasites, who feels that we are threat to them. But in the end they are right, because how much they damaged our future and slaughter our innocent brother, sisters, we have the responsibility to seek justice for their innocence. That is what makes you a TRUE Pashtun, you follow Pashtunwali and MUST seek justice for their innocence death.

        As for our traitors in our ranks, they will get harder punishment, let these cowards working for foreigners today have their paradise on earth and flee with Pashtun blood money to Dubai, London, USA etc. In the future their family lines will pay a little price of their mistakes.
        To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
          Give me proof Pashtuns raped Indian women and sold them into slavery!! I must read the book or look it up with some Indian history scholars in Delhi. Give a head start where you read it and your source grana wroor. That you claim of these acts, please. I know about burning temples, mostly because of revenge (badal). So?

          Far I know. traditionally Hindus respect Pashtuns the most, you would not seen bollywood making 1000 of films about Pashtun bravery, loyalty, and other pure noble acts. And So does every single human being who has knowledge of true well raised Pashtuns, no matter the past. I promise. The only few who doesn't like Pashtuns are those racist aggression parasites, who feels that we are threat to them. But in the end they are right, because how much they damaged our future and slaughter our innocent brother, sisters, we have the responsibility to seek justice for their innocence. That is what makes you a TRUE Pashtun, you follow Pashtunwali and MUST seek justice for their innocence death.

          As for our traitors in our ranks, they will get harder punishment, let these cowards working for foreigners today have their paradise on earth and flee with Pashtun blood money to Dubai, London, USA etc. In the future their family lines will pay a little price of their mistakes.
          Here you go wrora.

          Mass of surrendered Maratha soldiers were handcuffed and then murdered, their heads chopped off by Afghans. The Afghan cavalry and pikemen ran wild through the streets of Panipat, killing tens of thousands of Maratha soldiers and civilians.[2][3] The women and children seeking refuge in streets of Panipat were hounded back in Afghan camps as slaves. Children over 14 were beheaded before their own mothers and sisters. Afghan officers who had lost their kin in battle were permitted to carry out massacres of 'infidel' Hindus the next day also, in Panipat and the surrounding area.[25][26] They arranged victory mounds of severed heads outside their camps. According to the single best eye-witness chronicle- the bakhar by Shuja-ud-Daula's Diwan Kashi Raj, about 40,000 Maratha prisoners were slaughtered in cold blood the day after the battle.[2][3][25] According to Mr. Hamilton of Bombay Gazette about half a million Marathi people were present there in Panipat town and he gives a figure of 70,000 prisoners as executed by Afghans.[25] Many of the fleeing Maratha women jumped into the Panipat wells rather than risk rape and dishonour.[26]

          Abdali's soldiers took about 22,000 Hindu women and young children and brought them to their camps. The women were raped in the camp, many committed suicide because of constant rapes perpetrated on them. All of the prisoners were exchanged or sold as sex slaves in Afghanistan, transported on bullock carts, camels and elephants in bamboo cages.[26][27]

          Siyar-ut-Mutakhirin says

          "The unhappy prisoners were paraded in long lines, given a little parched grain and a drink of water, and beheaded... and the women and children who survived were driven off as slaves - twenty-two thousand, many of them of the highest rank in the land
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post

            Manana Grana Wroor!

            Check this out too! Battle of Panipat! A truly propaganda movie! Hindus of those time were the most racist, coward and cruel people, yet they have nerve these cowards to talk about my ancestors and portrait him like that? Good to see the true faces of these beghariata. And the comments full of racist "hindus". Hahahah. It's ok, let them bark today! Most important thing is that we will/must/have Pashtun culture and traditions intact while coming to the new age of technology soon.



            But how much do you really trust on this events? Any how, if IT happened, then those committed horrible crime against innocent women and children, they lost their way totally and today probably burning in hell and should get PUNISHED at that time as well.

            Pashtuns should never act like mongol, arab, paki/hindu, european, japanese and other savages that rapes women, or behead children, or has innocent "slavery". War prisoner slavery = justified in my eyes. If your enemy comes to your land or occupying your land, of course when captured alive you should decide his faith.

            In my eyes, taking back what Hindu-Mongols=Moghul took from us is 100 % justified. Ahmad Shah Abdali did good, could not be more proud to share his lineage!

            Same with PUNISHING war criminals, is justified. If I got my hand on Danu banu kuni and his masters, you would see some actions!!

            But, Like your quote "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

            In that time Pashtuns served it a little bit to HOT. Nonetheless it was tasteful, don't you agree? Or are you really afraid to get your hands "dirty" for protecting Pashtun future?

            If Pashtuns of today knew what kind of dirty parasites these panj baboonians and other people in our area would be today. Me and all of Pashtuns would HOPED for Ahmad Shah Abdalis army to kick out these beghariata foreigners from PASHTUN SOIL and the whole region. Cleansed our region and purify it to natural order, when it used to be only ruled by PASHTUNS and majority of Pashtun population.
            Last edited by Loy Afghanistan; 07-18-2014, 07:32 PM.
            To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
              Editble Wikipedia?
              Read this http://archive.today/NLtnC
              [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                Editble Wikipedia?
                Read this http://archive.today/NLtnC

                Thank you grana.

                Was fun to read it. And yet like I said. I have a very hard time to take some propagandist, cruel and racist "Panjab-hindu scholars" words against Abdali. I mean no disrespect to Hindus, at all. I know and support multi polar world, but their culture is full of racism, like the cast system, and has a lot of cruel, chosen wannabe people, and one thing I don't like is that they bow to another man or drop to other peoples feet. And I don't like at all that brighter skin = more valuable in the eyes of hindus.

                Just that I don't like Pashtuns mindset. THAT THEY MUST AND NEED TO BE superman in real life. We need to calm down and understand that everything you do, work, education, sport etc is like ATTAN. You start with small steps and then accelerate in time and master it slowly. In Kandahar and Kabul, I visited some gyms. I go with some friends, and there comes a beginner, maybe 17-20 years old inside and see someone lifting 150 kg. The guy is NEW, novice, and wants to take 200 kg, to prove himself. A REAL WARRIOR and I am proud of his bravery and courage. But I told him, you will break your spine core. Then I explained him about our purely national dance, how it really works, why invented. It took time 2 hours to convince him. And after that I joked if you have not started university next time I see you. I will break your spine core myself.


                Anyway hindus, they have mostly had Pashtuns or another Ariai masters since 2500 BC. The best proof we have is that Parsi was their official language until they anglo saxons came and made English their official language.
                To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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