Union

[DSM0305]

I see the world and its nations through different eyes than most. I have set nations in levels depending on their system. (I am not talking about socialism, capitalism etc)

first level.
- Tribalism or other similar groups.
Basically the unity isn't broader than their tribal/family

second level
- nationalism or other similar groups.
Basically the unity isn't broader than countries, ethnicities etc.

third level
- united states or other similar groups
Basically the unity is based on at-least 2 countries/stats in a union(USA, EU). Can also be a widespread religious union(Islamic caliphate). Even an ideological union can be considered(soviet union).

fourth level
- a world scale union.

Afghanistan and Pakistan in my eyes are both in second level. As we see the world progress, only the strongest will have any say in matters. The people who are most united, have the most power. If Europe as an example was united, it would both economically and military surpass even USA. The same goes for any other location, Arabs comes in mind. Imagine if all Arabic countries were united, how big of economy and military would they have. Even more importantly, imagine how big of an impact they would have in world scale politics.

Now my proposal is, what if Afghanistan and Pakistan formed an union(a south Asian union). Before people misunderstand; I am not proposing to merge the countries, but rather a simply union between these countries(similar to EU).
No matter how you turn things up and down, we as individual states have no say in politics that concerns the world. Essentially our influence is limited to our surrounding areas.

Our unity will first of all bring peace to the region. The more sweet bonuses a union brings includes but not limited to:
- Better economy
- Stronger cultural development
- Better educational basis
- Bigger say in politics
- Unity between different groups
- Easier trade
- Most importantly, peace!
And many more.

Note, we will still be separate countries, with separate rule and laws.

You're welcome to agree/disagree, but please refrain from using curse words or insults of any sorts. Stay civilized and don't use this thread as an excuse to insult others regardless of ethnicity, nationality, religion, political cause etc.

[Tamim]

Qaddafi tried that and was killed for it.

[DSM0305]

Qaddafi tried that and was killed for it.

Never heard of that. Wasn't he killed by his own people?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Not Gaddafi.I believe he's talking about the Egypt/Syria union for 3 decades

[Karachi]

Even in this sort of union there will be power struggle, some group will try to out power the other. Unfortunately muslim lands have been cursed with disunity, even over smallest of issues, let alone big ones

[Tamim]

The pretext for the Libyan war was given by the West and mercenaries were used to butcher him.

Qaddafi wanted to establish an African Union and use its platform to establish a new banking and economic system.

[dehqaanherawi]

Gaddafi was killed by French secret serviceman on orders of Nicolas Sarkozy, sources claim

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210759/Gaddafi-killed-French-secret-serviceman-orders-Nicolas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html

All these al Qaeda rats are slaves of the USA.

[Toramana]

I see the world and its nations through different eyes than most. I have set nations in levels depending on their system. (I am not talking about socialism, capitalism etc)

first level.
- Tribalism or other similar groups.
Basically the unity isn't broader than their tribal/family

second level
- nationalism or other similar groups.
Basically the unity isn't broader than countries, ethnicities etc.

third level
- united states or other similar groups
Basically the unity is based on at-least 2 countries/stats in a union(USA, EU). Can also be a widespread religious union(Islamic caliphate). Even an ideological union can be considered(soviet union).

fourth level
- a world scale union.

Afghanistan and Pakistan in my eyes are both in second level. As we see the world progress, only the strongest will have any say in matters. The people who are most united, have the most power. If Europe as an example was united, it would both economically and military surpass even USA. The same goes for any other location, Arabs comes in mind. Imagine if all Arabic countries were united, how big of economy and military would they have. Even more importantly, imagine how big of an impact they would have in world scale politics.

Now my proposal is, what if Afghanistan and Pakistan formed an union(a south Asian union). Before people misunderstand; I am not proposing to merge the countries, but rather a simply union between these countries(similar to EU).
No matter how you turn things up and down, we as individual states have no say in politics that concerns the world. Essentially our influence is limited to our surrounding areas.

Our unity will first of all bring peace to the region. The more sweet bonuses a union brings includes but not limited to:
- Better economy
- Stronger cultural development
- Better educational basis
- Bigger say in politics
- Unity between different groups
- Easier trade
- Most importantly, peace!
And many more.

Note, we will still be separate countries, with separate rule and laws.

You're welcome to agree/disagree, but please refrain from using curse words or insults of any sorts. Stay civilized and don't use this thread as an excuse to insult others regardless of ethnicity, nationality, religion, political cause etc.

DSM0305, you are one of the wisest members of this forum of course may be behind me in wisdom but centuries ahead of this "kam aqal" Da Bannu Mazdigar.

As you have surmised social transformation occurs in evolutionary progression. Torrents merge into streams, streams into rivers, and rivers into oceans. This is a determinism and an inevitability that will do occur. The real question thus is not whether it would happen or not; the real question is when would it happen and if it is to happen no matter what, can we do something to accelerate the process.

One thing we should do is to avoid forcing people to unite; and one thing we must strive to do is to construct/create the environment and the constitutional-political order for groups, nationalities, and communities to feel secure about their identities and come together. When people don't have the feeling of insecurity and the threat to be dominated and when there are guarantees that their economic well-being, languages, cultures, values, religious beliefs, etc. will be secure, people do come together and fuse with one another. In this age of globalization, the chances of such a thing to happen have increased manifold.

I am earnestly looking for a regional integration in Central-South Asia. If you have the opportunity to scale the ocean why should you swim in a pond?

[dehqaanherawi]

DSM0305, you are one of the wisest members of this forum of course may be behind me in wisdom but centuries ahead of this "kam aqal" Da Bannu Mazdigar.

As you have surmised social transformation occur in evolutionary progression. Torrents merge into streams, streams into rivers, and rivers into oceans. This is a determinism and an inevitability that will do occur. So the real question so is not whether it would happen or not; the real question is when would it happen and if it is to happen no matter what, can we do something to accelerate the process.

One thing we should do is to avoid forcing people to unite; and one thing we must strive to do is to construct/create the environment and the constitutional and political order for groups, nationalities, and communities to feel secure and come together. When people don't have the feeling of insecurity and the threat to be dominated and when are guarantees that their economic well-being, culture, values, religious beliefs, etc. will be safe, people do come together and fuse with one another. In this age of globalization, the chances of such a thing to happen have increased manifold.

I am earnestly looking for a regional integration in Central-South Asia. If you have the opportunity to scale the ocean why should you swim in a pond?

Mad world now I realize why pashtunistan is so screw*d up. Hagar hin taseel kardesh sat bisewaadesh chi bashe!!