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    Country moves step closer to breaking up as regional government's president calls for preparation for vote to begin.


    Iraq's Kurds push for independence referendum

    The president of the Kurdish region of northern Iraq has asked his parliament to prepare for a referendum on independence, potentially paving the way for the break-up of the country.

    Masoud Barzani, president of the Kurdistan Regional Government, called on parliament on Thursday to form an independent electoral commission that would start organising a referendum on independence for the semi-autonomous region.

    "It will strengthen our position and will be a powerful weapon in our hands," he said.

    Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, reporting from the regional capital Erbil, said the move was in line with the Kurds' march for self-determination.

    Barzani's latest call is expected to anger Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq's prime minister, who is struggling to keep a grip on the country.

    On Friday, Barzani issued a defiant statement to Baghdad that there was no going back on autonomous Kurdish rule in the oil city of Kirkuk.

    The US has urged Barzani to stick with Baghdad, though Barzani said during a meeting last month with John Kerry, US secretary of state, that it was "very difficult" to imagine Iraq staying together.

    The Kurdish region has long been at odds with Iraq's federal government on numerous issues, especially over what Kurdish politicians say are delayed and insufficient budget payments to the region.

    But the issue is significantly complicated by the Kurds' control of Kirkuk and a chunk of other northern territory that they want to absorb, over the Maliki government's strong objections.

    Speaking on Wednesday, Maliki accused the Kurds of "exploiting current events in order to impose a reality" and called the latest moves unacceptable.

    Though calls for a referendum on independence are not new - Kurds strongly backed independence in a 2005 non-binding vote - the drastic change in the situation on the ground means the Kurds now see a fully sovereign state as within their grasp.

    State within grasp

    Iraq's five million Kurds, who have ruled themselves within Iraq in relative peace since the 1990s, have expanded their territory by up to 40 percent in recent weeks as a Sunni-led rebellion seized vast stretches of western and northern Iraq.

    Saudi Arabia, who shares an 800km long border with Iraq sent 30,000 troops to guard its border after Iraqi soldiers withdrew from the area.

    State news agency SPA said King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz ordered all necessary measures to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats".

    In Thursday's other developments, Sunni fighters released 32 Turkish lorry drivers captured in Mosul during a offensive across the north and west of the country.

    Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith, reporting from Silopi, a Turkish district close to Iraq border, said the drivers were freed earlier in the day and were expected to fly back from Erbil.

    Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, said the drivers were well but did not provide any details on the circumstances leading to their release.

    Speaking in Ankara, he said efforts were under way to secure the release of the Turks still in captivity.

    Fighters from the recently declared Islamic State seized the men on June 9. Three days later, they captured another 49 people from the Turkish consulate in Mosul.

    "The critical process continues," he said. "Our prayers and our efforts will go on for the rest of them and God willing, we will share such good news about them too as soon as possible."

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    It sounds to me all that is happening is, Shias are buttressing their defenses to defend Baghdad while only halfheartedly trying to retake the Sunni areas up-north. The entire focus is on Baghdad. Apparently, US left it with as much force as to be able to defend Baghdad and force not strong enough to take the whole Iraq.

    Baghdad seems to be another Kabul.

    What are Saudis motives to deploy 30,000 troops on the border of Iraq? Is it a kind of threat?

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    • #3
      Good for Kurds. Here people says it will take may be just 2-3 months to prepare everything for separation from Iraq.
      And what for the territories where Kurds expanded recently, those used to belong to Kurds historically but during the Saddam regime there was an arabization of areas done - most of Kurds were forced to leave their homes and settle at other parts of Iraq and instead of them were brought Arabic Iraqi to live there. Being the one country Kurds were not happy with this decision but still were not making it an open conflict, but the always were rising this question and always wanted their lands and people back. Now at last this happen and I believe it is right.



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      • #4
        But there is what makes me really worried in this situation - it is Iranian army which is entering Iraq and bringing its soldiers to a Kurdistan borders... I hope peshmerga (Kurdi army) can throw Iranians back to their country...



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        • #5
          Grave injustices have been meted out to Kurds. In WWI, they were punished by European colonialists because they had resisted. Iraqi Shias were also punished. Iraqi Sunnis were rewarded because they had stayed loyal against Ottoman Turks. The successive Sunni Arab regime treated Kurds brutally because they were not Arab stock(so much for Muslim brotherhood). Whenever they spoke for their rights, Kurds were called agents of Jews as if Arabs have descended straight from heavens and were purely standing for Islamic causes.

          Kurds were treated badly in all the states among which their lands were divided be it Turkey, Iraq, Syria, or Iran. In Turkey, they were not even allowed to use their language.

          It is very good that they have now got the chance to assert their freedom.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NiMade Olga View Post
            But there is what makes me really worried in this situation - it is Iranian army which is entering Iraq and bringing its soldiers to a Kurdistan borders... I hope peshmerga (Kurdi army) can throw Iranians back to their country...



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            Oh, that may be the reason for Saudi deployment on the border. If you are in Iraq, what is happening and what are Iraqis mentally preparing themselves for?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                Oh, that may be the reason for Saudi deployment on the border. If you are in Iraq, what is happening and what are Iraqis mentally preparing themselves for?


                Iraqi are saying that they would be happy to see peshmerga everywhere rather than ISIS and some of Iraqi Arab tribes on the border areas of Iraq-Kurdistan already took side of Kurds in protecting their lands from ISIS. Many people of central Iraq are very disappointed with their army and are scared of ISIS. I heard some were saying "may the peshmerga capture the whole Iraq as only they are able to protect us these days".
                A lot of refugees are in Kurdistan these days who ran away from ISIS, and they are of all religions and mazhabs. ISIS call themselves Sunni but their ruling made even local Sunnis unhappy and scared. When they invaded to Tikrit they captured and killed almost 2000 cadets from local army college. Then, I saw a video made by locals at the Tikrit suburbs as well where you can see ISIS taking a column of people away under guns. People says it is 1500-1700 captured Iraqi Shia soldiers...







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                • #9
                  And yes, I don't think SA strengthens their border because of Iran as it is totally opposite border and no one will allow to Iran to move that far. I believe that Turkey and some other countries will support Iraq and Kurdistan in this case.
                  Russia already supporting by sending jets and other ammunition. We always had good partnership in business, education and sciences with Iraq and Kurdistan and we are interested in stabilization in the region. Also, I heard that Russian political analytics are already a month ago were prepared for the possible Kurdistan independence and they were warning Maliki that this is what is about to happen. Now even Turkish government accepted free Kurdistan, and just few month ago even the word Kurdistan was a taboo in Turkey.

                  What about Iraqi people - they are ready now to let Kurds leave the Iraq. Of course, I don't know any country who's citizens would be happy to let some part of that country get separate, but it has been a logical move from Kurds which was expected but not that soon, of course.



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                  • #10
                    It seems like Kurds are taking full advantage of crippling Iraq in their hopes of an independent Kurdistan with the help of Israel but if they succeed, they will be hated by their neighbours for it.
                    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                    -Old Pashtun proverb




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                    • #11
                      Kurds doesn't have anything with Israel
                      Official statement from Kurds:


                      Official,statement from Israel:


                      And one more thing:
                      "The consensus narrative in Israeli media is that Kurdish independence is “good for Israel” because Kurds, well, they are not Arabs, Persians or Turks. Kurdistan – at least Iraqi Kurdistan – is seen by Tel Aviv as a “non-hostile entity” that, crucially, is not exactly touched by the plight of the Palestinians."




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                      • #12
                        And yes, Prince, you are right, they will be hated by many, and the first one will be Iran because they are scared of the Kurds movement. Turkish already a bit ok with it, Syria is not really ok but they are more worried about their own ISIS division... Who else have Kurds issue on their territory? Those countries of course would not be happy. The rest of the world will take it as it is. Kurdistan these days is very beneficial for many countries as it is the only safe and peaceful place in the region. Many international companies and embassies/consulates now shifted their offices to Kurdistan. Here they have hope that all what they have invested already in business with Iraq will be not ruined completely.
                        And Kurds are not that stupid to get along with Israel, I believe as they have much more in common with its own neighbors and don't forget, after all here majority are Muslims.



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                          It seems like Kurds are taking full advantage of crippling Iraq in their hopes of an independent Kurdistan with the help of Israel but if they succeed, they will be hated by their neighbours for it.
                          Why should their neighbors hate them for it? Regardless of what Israel wants, the Kurds have a natural desire to be free.

                          The main people that have a problem with Kurdish freedom were the nationalists. The Arab nationalists called Baathists and the Turk nationalists left from Ataturk's legacy. Both are gone. Iran has treated the Kurds far better than Iraq, Syria, or Turkey. Turkey is giving Kurds freedom they have not seen since the Ottoman days.
                          Last edited by khushal; 07-05-2014, 05:52 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            Why should their neighbors hate them for it? Regardless of what Israel wants, the Kurds have a natural desire to be free.

                            The main people that have a problem with Kurdish freedom were the nationalists. The Arab nationalists called Baathists and the Turk nationalists left from Ataturk's legacy. Both are gone. Iran has treated the Kurds far better than Iraq, Syria, or Turkey. Turkey is giving Kurds freedom they have not seen since the Ottoman days.
                            The Kurds are notable for supporting the recognition of Israel as a state and even asked them to support them in their fight for freedom, baloch sardars have also asked Israel for help and i posted an article on this a while back. The Arabs even accused kurds of supporting the war in iraq to liberate them of Saddam and felt they were trying to "split" iraq.

                            And the Kurds are probably the most anti-turkish people in the middle east.
                            "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                            -Old Pashtun proverb




                            "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                            • #15
                              Oke if the Kuridsh region of Iraq become independet will all the Kurds from the neighnouring countries move to that region? Will that be the plan of Turkey and their reason of kind of accepting free Kurdistan, is to oust the Turkish Kurds to that region so that they can get rid of them.

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