mahmood khan achakzai a spokesman for punjabi nawaz sharif

[tripledouble]

[MENTION=1068]gadoonwal[/MENTION] I don't understand you, you accuse Imran Khan of being an ISI agent using Pashtuns for Takht-e-Lahore and now you claim that Achakzai, who spoke out against Imran Khan is also an ISI agent? lmao

[ghumbasa]

@gadonwal...nawaz sharif is not punjabi but kashmiri...as far as i know.You ll find punjabi sympathesizers with pashtuns but not from elite classes...rather middle class that are as much struggling as pashtuns against corrupt govt and politicians.

This mehmood khan achakzai is really a stigma to pashtuns...But i hate certain sold out mullahs more than anything like FazlurRehman....that can do anything just to be a pm...and he plays a dirty politics.

Today we are facing with the new concept of "regime change" first before ground operations....thats what middle east is going through and thats now gappening in pakistan as well...check out links below about how important gwadar port is a d how its important to have gas oil supply plus direct marrines route as well....Its not enough to have air field or land only,

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-169036-Gwadar-and-the-great-game

http://easterncampaign.com/2008/05/05/cartographic-paranoia/

^ is the layout plan of certain areas of pashtuns...but this is not for sake of pashtuns or humanity...
Its again a great game.Best for pashtuns is to educate themselves...save their communities...and take hold of true islam...no secularism or other hardline salafi ideology can help them.

[gadoonwal]

@gadonwal...nawaz sharif is not punjabi but kashmiri...as far as i know.You ll find punjabi sympathesizers with pashtuns but not from elite classes...rather middle class that are as much struggling as pashtuns against corrupt govt and politicians.

This mehmood khan achakzai is really a stigma to pashtuns...But i hate certain sold out mullahs more than anything like FazlurRehman....that can do anything just to be a pm...and he plays a dirty politics.

Today we are facing with the new concept of "regime change" first before ground operations....thats what middle east is going through and thats now gappening in pakistan as well...check out links below about how important gwadar port is a d how its important to have gas oil supply plus direct marrines route as well....Its not enough to have air field or land only,

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...the-great-game

http://easterncampaign.com/2008/05/0...phic-paranoia/
^ is the layout plan of certain areas of pashtuns...but this is not for sake of pashtuns or humanity...
Its again a great game.Best for pashtuns is to educate themselves...save their communities...and take hold of true islam...no secularism or other hardline salafi ideology can help them.

I do not hate any race whether it is punjabi or others.
we have political issues with pakistani establishment wich is dominated by punjabis and others.
I have great respect for mashar mahmood khan achakzai but i do ,nt understand on what bases he formed an allaince with nawaz?
Achakzai,s key demand was to creat greater pashtunkhwa from chetral to bolan did nawaz created one ?
Did nawaz give pashtun control over their sources etc?
If not then why achakzai is acting like his spokesman?

[gadoonwal]

Achakzai is well known in Pakistan as an Afghan agent, his party has links with the Afghan establishment and until his brother was made Governor they never had a Pakistani flag at their house; when Jinnah's house was bombed in Ziarat, he didn't condemn it, in fact he said he didn't like British colonial buildings, but when the PTV office was attacked, he came in defense of the state-propaganda machine to protect Nawaz Sharif.

He attended the elite Aitchison college in Lahore like most Nawabs and Feudal landlords including Baloch leaders like Bugti and Marri; he grew up around Punjabis, but he would still refer to them as "Kalay angrez", his best friend is a Punjabi now, though Nawaz Sharif can't be considered a proper Punjabi.

i wish achakzai become afghan agent but he is not.
He struggle for pashtun rights and unity but lately his allaince with nawaz sharif was more for personel interests then pashtuns interests.

I have great respect for mashar mahmood khan achakzai but i do ,nt understand on what bases he formed an allaince with nawaz?
Achakzai,s key demand was to creat greater pashtunkhwa from chetral to bolan did nawaz created one ?
Did nawaz give pashtun control over their sources etc?
If not then why achakzai is acting like his spokesman?


pakistan is a country ruled by punjabis whether it is nawaz or imran.
All of them are working for the good of punjab.
pashtuns will suffer no matter who comes to the power.

[ghumbasa]

I do not hate any race whether it is punjabi or others.
we have political issues with pakistani establishment wich is dominated by punjabis and others.
I have great respect for mashar mahmood khan achakzai but i do ,nt understand on what bases he formed an allaince with nawaz?
Achakzai,s key demand was to creat greater pashtunkhwa from chetral to bolan did nawaz created one ?
Did nawaz give pashtun control over their sources etc?
If not then why achakzai is acting like his spokesman?

Pakistan is a country where you can buy any leader...the leaders ae corrupt..whether nawaz baldy or imran khan...or achakzai.

Foremost problem is not why we pashtuns dont ve any good leader...problem is the awakening of our whole nation in a way that they progress both for survival and religious point of view.We are not supposed to cling to past failures or successes ...we are not supposed to complain that this person did this to pashtuns or didnt...we are not supposed to expect from others much..

We are supposed to wake up and smell the coffee.W e need to think what you or i am doing in this regard? Successful nations dont complain...they readily retaliate back with more success than before.Take example of germany...after world war...

We pashtuns need to progress in business,high profession education...and constructive sports.

I agree that in pakistan we are not given chances...but there is saying goes in pashto..."Har firoun ta yu moosa de".
Relax..and wait and watch...let the global powers play their cards...till then even if we are refugees...we need to focus on our goals precisely.This time no pashtun is supposed to take weapons for some global power..our sons and brothers are not supposed to die for someone else ' interests.Let them fight with each other...when time ll come we ll rise inshAllah.We need to learn how to adopt to changing circumstances.Partly we too are responsible coz our pashtuns are simple minded...and this is cruel world.

we shouldnt be patriotic to any country or power..till it doesnt serve our interests...let the global powers fight and loose their soldiers...Time is a great teacher.

[Shehbaz Khan]

1) In the thread starting post the topic starter mentioned that the Governor of Balochistan is not a Pashtun. That's wrong. He is the brother of Mehmood Khan Achakzai.

2) Mehmood Khan Achakzai is still a man of his principles according to me. He always had problems with the military and even today his stance is clear. He doesn't want the military to take over. He stands with the constitution of Pakistan and I salute him for that.

3) What's wrong with Achakzai saib according to me is that he is also turning into a family limited party! 8 of his blood relatives are on different posts and positions. That is what should be avoided.

[jankhan]

1) In the thread starting post the topic starter mentioned that the Governor of Balochistan is not a Pashtun. That's wrong. He is the brother of Mehmood Khan Achakzai.

2) Mehmood Khan Achakzai is still a man of his principles according to me. He always had problems with the military and even today his stance is clear. He doesn't want the military to take over. He stands with the constitution of Pakistan and I salute him for that.

3) What's wrong with Achakzai saib according to me is that he is also turning into a family limited party! 8 of his blood relatives are on different posts and positions. That is what should be avoided.

The problem is that there is a huge number of jahil pakistanis who don't know that constitution actually unites the country and protect the nation from anarchy. These jahileen think that army and isi is the real Pakistan.
Actually Pakistan is its constitution, its land and its people.
Others are secondary, whether its politicians, army, media, judiciary or whatever...

[torkham]

1) In the thread starting post the topic starter mentioned that the Governor of Balochistan is not a Pashtun. That's wrong. He is the brother of Mehmood Khan Achakzai.

2) Mehmood Khan Achakzai is still a man of his principles according to me. He always had problems with the military and even today his stance is clear. He doesn't want the military to take over. He stands with the constitution of Pakistan and I salute him for that.

3) What's wrong with Achakzai saib according to me is that he is also turning into a family limited party! 8 of his blood relatives are on different posts and positions. That is what should be avoided.

Shehbaz jan, i too had respect for mashar achakzai, and for me he fell. lamentably came to light that he too has a price, and its not just defence of his 8 khapawan in power through Ns tickets: now i think he is trying to defend the golden heirloom achakzai's and may be some KakuRs have been bestowed with, and we know achakzai's on spin buldak side too have it ......... Have you figured it out? Or shall i place it as a riddle in another thread?

He is opposing technocracy, bcz he may be of opinion that technocracy will erode away the feudal rights that his achakzai's have - to this eldorado - the incredibly lucrative chaman border trade, enjoyed by achakzais in chaman and spin buldak. It clicked when i saw this documentary by the bee itch munizae jahangir.

[tripledouble]

2) Mehmood Khan Achakzai is still a man of his principles according to me. He always had problems with the military and even today his stance is clear. He doesn't want the military to take over. He stands with the constitution of Pakistan and I salute him for that.

He says he supports the constitution and that coups are unconstitutional; but are protesting in front of the PMs house unconstitutional? - same thing happened outside the White House many times.

Is asking for an audit and a recount of the election unconstitutional? -It happened in Afghanistan and in America too circa 2000.

Is asking for the PM to resign unconstitutional? -It happened in Ukraine recently and in America with Nixon.

None of that is unconstitutional.

If Achakzai claims that he stands with the constitution, does the constitution of Pakistan allow him to promote the idea of "Pashtoonistan" and to meet with the Afghan establishment -or I guess only the Pakistan establishment should not be involved in politics but Afghan establishment can.

He spoke out against the sit in infront of the PMs house, but when Jinnah's house was bombed in Ziarat he didn't condemn it and said that it was a colonial building and that it should have been removed a long time ago.

I guess all of that constitutional according to him

[jankhan]

He says he supports the constitution and that coups are unconstitutional; but are protesting in front of the PMs house unconstitutional? - same thing happened outside the White House many times.

Is asking for an audit and a recount of the election unconstitutional? -It happened in Afghanistan and in America too circa 2000.

Is asking for the PM to resign unconstitutional? -It happened in Ukraine recently and in America with Nixon.

None of that is unconstitutional.

If Achakzai claims that he stands with the constitution, does the constitution of Pakistan allow him to promote the idea of "Pashtoonistan" and to meet with the Afghan establishment -or I guess only the Pakistan establishment should not be involved in politics but Afghan establishment can.

He spoke out against the sit in infront of the PMs house, but when Jinnah's house was bombed in Ziarat he didn't condemn it and said that it was a colonial building and that it should have been removed a long time ago.

I guess all of that constitutional according to him

Protesting in front of the parliament is constitutional but having hundreds of men with sticks and overthrowing the main gate of the parliament is unconstitutional. if there was not army inside the parliament building they would have declared qadri, imran govt, entering the PTV's building and shutting down the broadcasting is unconstitutional I think.

[jankhan]

He says he supports the constitution and that coups are unconstitutional; but are protesting in front of the PMs house unconstitutional? - same thing happened outside the White House many times.

Is asking for an audit and a recount of the election unconstitutional? -It happened in Afghanistan and in America too circa 2000.

Is asking for the PM to resign unconstitutional? -It happened in Ukraine recently and in America with Nixon.

None of that is unconstitutional.

If Achakzai claims that he stands with the constitution, does the constitution of Pakistan allow him to promote the idea of "Pashtoonistan" and to meet with the Afghan establishment -or I guess only the Pakistan establishment should not be involved in politics but Afghan establishment can.

He spoke out against the sit in infront of the PMs house, but when Jinnah's house was bombed in Ziarat he didn't condemn it and said that it was a colonial building and that it should have been removed a long time ago.

I guess all of that constitutional according to him

I am not a fan of Achakzai, but you can't comparing removing the legitimate whole govt with removing a building.