Fatwa declares Operation Zarb-e-Azb a jihad

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

This guy [MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] is calling some members as dalal and the other as khinzeer and it is also said to see the staff of the forum is ignoring his behavior despite the fact that members like him and loy afghanistan are serious threat to the forum and its image.

I hope members will look into this

[MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] Kasam daye ka chere pa laas raghlal che sa ba darbande kawo

[HalloIsBack]

your logic is serious threat to the forum!

[Toramana]

This guy [MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] is calling some members as dalal and the other as khinzeer and it is also said to see the staff of the forum is ignoring his behavior despite the fact that members like him and loy afghanistan are serious threat to the forum and its image.

I hope members will look into this

[MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] Kasam daye ka chere pa laas raghlal che sa ba darbande kawo

Imagine the time when nationalist Pashtuns find Punjab's collaborator when the right time comes.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Imagine the time when nationalist Pashtuns find Punjab's collaborator when the right time comes.

Akh,pa laas mai way nashay ra,Kasam di che wapas ba de pa warr manda de sur zamana

[Badlun]

You are just a ignoble, undignified dalal trying to find excuses and beautiful words for the merciless policies of the West and Pakistan just because some Western NGO has shoved few dollars up your bottom/arse.

I wish you may know the fact that I am not getting a single penny from any one. What I earn is my pure personal struggle in a profession which has nothing to do with international politics, NGOs, USAID or any other programme sponsored by US or the West. I cannot understand that how you blame a person for such mean things when you do not have an iota of evidence. This may reflect your own personality traits.

Western ideas make my ideology and world's view. A communist for example does not mean that he will receive money from communist rulers or organization. All Islamists do not receive money from Saudi or Qatar. There are thousands of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters who fight for ideological purposes not for money. My struggle is ideological not for any financial gain. If you do not believe me, then it is your problem not mine.

I am for secularism and development not necessarily for all secular or western rulers. They may make mistakes and I may not agree with them but my ideology has nothing to do with their personalities.I do not see any other way but to support the Pakistani army to crush the Taliban and to tell Pashtuns that their future lies in secularism and development not in Islamism.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I wish you may know the fact that I am not getting a single penny from any one. What I earn is my pure personal struggle in a profession which has nothing to do with international politics, NGOs, USAID or any other programme sponsored by US or the West. I cannot understand that how you blame a person for such mean things when you do not have an iota of evidence. This may reflect your own personality traits.

Western ideas make my ideology and world's view. A communist for example does not mean that he will receive money from communist rulers or organization. All Islamists do not receive money from Saudi or Qatar. There are thousands of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters who fight for ideological purposes not for money. My struggle is ideological not for any financial gain. If you do not believe me, then it is your problem not mine.

I am for secularism and development not necessarily for all secular or western rulers. They may make mistakes and I may not agree with them but my ideology has nothing to do with their personalities.I do not see any other way but to support the Pakistani army to crush the Taliban and to tell Pashtuns that their future lies in secularism and development not in Islamism.

This guy toramana understand the Ground realities and also hate the Taliban as much we do since the kind of him are considered wajib ul qatal by taliban(Qadiani).he's also in favour of secularism.He's pretty much a replica of [MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION] who does know that i am among the few Pakistan having extreme soft heart for bangladish's but to score point he's anti Pakistan while in reality he isn't since i know him from long

But to score points and to claim himself a pashtun's patriot he's against anything positive.

The People of His kind are subhuman and better put on ignore list

[Badlun]

as i know the concept holy war was taken from christianity to describe the jihad concept but it doesnt even fit
well people look foe a easy way to explain different concepts

Christians used holy wars or crusades against Muslims which was also wrong but as at that time Church was powerful and as a political motive, they used this concept of religious or holy war.

But holy war as such is not part of Christianity and is not a pillar of that religion. Islamists consider Jihad(holy war) as the 6th pillar of Islam. Quran mentions qital/war many times but as I said these injunctions of the holy Quran about war are contextual, limited to that time not now.

[Toramana]

Akh,pa laas mai way nashay ra,Kasam di che wapas ba de pa warr manda de sur zamana

laas dai azad khapai dai azadai,

[HalloIsBack]

Christians used holy wars or crusades against Muslims which was also wrong but as at that time Church was powerful and as a political motive, they used this concept of religious or holy war.

But holy war as such is not part of Christianity and is not a pillar of that religion. Islamists consider Jihad(holy war) as the 6th pillar of Islam. Quran mentions qital/war many times but as I said these injunctions of the holy Quran about war are contextual, limited to that time not now.

christians started in europe with a war against jews and moved towards jeruslaem to free from muslims

[Toramana]

I stand for my people and justice and equality for all whether in the West or in Punjab. Contrary to the claims by these two agents, inadvertently or adventently, of the West and Punjab, the present operation is aimed more at forcing common Pukhtuns into submission and subjecting them to humiliation. The purpose is not building a world based on justice but control and power assertion for self-gratification.

[Badlun]

This guy toramana understand the Ground realities and also hate the Taliban as much we do since the kind of him are considered wajib ul qatal by taliban(Qadiani).he's also in favour of secularism.He's pretty much a replica of [MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION] who does know that i am among the few Pakistan having extreme soft heart for bangladish's but to score point he's anti Pakistan while in reality he isn't since i know him from long

But to score points and to claim himself a pashtun's patriot he's against anything positive.

The People of His kind are subhuman and better put on ignore list

You are right but scoring points for what? I am here for the last many years and Admn Khan did not give a single point or a penny or passing mark or even a flower or gift.

I am like doing propaganda for USA, West but never Cent-com or Pentagon or State department or NATO never contacted me and never sent me a single word of thanks. If all the members of PF agree with me or send me thanks then what point I will score. I am not here on the hunt of girl friends so what he will get by scoring points.

One should debate politely, present his/her case and listen to others and argue in an educated manner. Till the time we do not know any one personally, in real life, we cannot pass judgement on his/her character.

Let us learn and share but avoid personal attacks. All Pashtuns are brothers in blood but we may differ in the way to reach our destination, some may adopt Islamism , others secularism.

[jankhan]

I am waiting for the day when Pak army or Political party or any Media group takes a fatwa from Ulema kiraam about joining hands with Amrica and giving them supply routes and other aid.