Pakistan military chief quietly meets with Pentagon brass to smooth ties

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The Lieutenant General who is the head of this operation sent his only son to the battlefield. Now tell me how much money he sold his son for if Pakistan Army is doing it for money. And for how much money do you think your father is going to do that to you

First of all, Jon McCain also sent his son to fight in Iraq. Was that a just war? Does that mean Mr. McCain, a known war monger is a good man? Does that mean that Iraq had a good outcome? Second various militants are recorded by their fathers has having been offered for lethal operations as well... does that make their cause just?

Second of all, being sent to a front and fighting on the leading edge of it without air support clearing the way is an entirely different matter than a cush situation where you have planes and super power drone support and satellite support that often labels civilians as militants and ends up conducting collective punishment operations so that you can swoop in after those have done the job for you.

Once again, you need to sit down and think out of your safety zone and ponder over what these things all mean together and what your own biases and conditioning has been.

Thus far I have not heard anything except the military tow the line logic and propaganda to the point of zealotry from you guys.

As I state before, collective punishment, which even the Americans have not meted out to the degree Pakistan has (and ironically to its OWN population) is a war crime. The Lieutenant General who sent his son will perhaps have to answer his Lord regarding why he used his intellect and power to not only damage his own soul but also that of his son in the quest to kill people based on jingoistic logic that is neither fair nor just or balanced nor informed nor honest.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Shabaz, let me show you the words of a real man... a military man who was honest about his son's death in a military endeavor across the world:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052502032.html

Bacevich is a great man and a thinker and understood from the get go that this sort of jingoistic nonsense to rile up the masses for killing of innocents and in this case, killing of one's own people to suit the whims of the Pak military is not honorable... its nonsense.

Andrew Bacevich : A Decade of War - YouTube

[Loy Afghanistan]

This Post prove's that your a mentally ill person.

The post is not about the loan or aid from Worldbank but jus the list of countries receiving aid from various different source's.

anyway Russia back Pakistan Bid for Permanent membership in SCO and you know SCO is another NATO in making

Yea I know gay bazigaar, you are brainwashed. Just like most of western world, talking about anti-Semitism when they can't argue on facts, you argue on illness when you can't handle the facts, what world bank, IMF, FED etc is for entity's, and that is them who are bosses in this world over porkis too, Not some porki leader in Islamabad.

We will see if Russia forgive what you pakis did to their children back 1979-1989, or they will move on when western imperialism is over. India, Pashtunistan, Iran, Baluchs, etc, will collect their debt on your sell out people. NATO taxi driver, in this world, big boy's chess game is about 10-50-100-500 years. Anything is possible in the future. Remember that, who got the most enemies looses.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Yea I know gay bazigaar, you are brainwashed. Just like most of western world, talking about anti-Semitism when they can't argue on facts, you argue on illness when you can't handle the facts, what world bank, IMF, FED etc is for entity's, and that is them who are bosses in this world over porkis too, Not some porki leader in Islamabad.

We will see if Russia forgive what you pakis did to their children back 1979-1989, or they will move on when western imperialism is over. India, Pashtunistan, Iran, Baluchs, etc, will collect their debt on your sell out people. NATO taxi driver, in this world, big boy's chess game is about 10-50-100-500 years. Anything is possible in the future. Remember that, who got the most enemies looses.

Russia and Pakistan relation's

*Arms Embargo removed from Pakistan
*MI-35 deal confirmed
*Pakistan want s-300,ATGM's and more defence equipments from russia
*Pakistani airline indus to ink a deal for 6xSukhoi Super 100 Jets
*Russia offer to upgrade pakistan steel mill
*Russia offer 1billion dollars credit to Pakistan

Now go to sleep my dear kunatawaar malgarya

[Shehbaz Khan]

First of all, Jon McCain also sent his son to fight in Iraq. Was that a just war? Does that mean Mr. McCain, a known war monger is a good man? Does that mean that Iraq had a good outcome? Second various militants are recorded by their fathers has having been offered for lethal operations as well... does that make their cause just?

Second of all, being sent to a front and fighting on the leading edge of it without air support clearing the way is an entirely different matter than a cush situation where you have planes and super power drone support and satellite support that often labels civilians as militants and ends up conducting collective punishment operations so that you can swoop in after those have done the job for you.

Once again, you need to sit down and think out of your safety zone and ponder over what these things all mean together and what your own biases and conditioning has been.

Thus far I have not heard anything except the military tow the line logic and propaganda to the point of zealotry from you guys.

As I state before, collective punishment, which even the Americans have not meted out to the degree Pakistan has (and ironically to its OWN population) is a war crime. The Lieutenant General who sent his son will perhaps have to answer his Lord regarding why he used his intellect and power to not only damage his own soul but also that of his son in the quest to kill people based on jingoistic logic that is neither fair nor just or balanced nor informed nor honest.

I was not proving that it's just or unjust. My point was it's not for the sake of money that Pakistan Army is now doing it.

And in every war there are civilian casualities, the other way was to resolve the matters via dialogues and we all know what happened when Pakistan was having dialogue.

1) The militants were still bombing civilian areas.
2) The rest of the world were calling us Taliban Khan, when we said we need to resolve the matters via peace.

Unlike you I want to go for a solution what you are telling me is that Pakistan deserve this due to it's wrong policies and stuff. For how long? No the common citizen and the common soldier who dies doesn't deserve it. We need to find a solution and the military operation isn't a complete solution to this problem, this though is a part of the solution.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I was not proving that it's just or unjust. My point was it's not for the sake of money that Pakistan Army is now doing it.

And in every war there are civilian casualities, the other way was to resolve the matters via dialogues and we all know what happened when Pakistan was having dialogue.

1) The militants were still bombing civilian areas.
2) The rest of the world were calling us Taliban Khan, when we said we need to resolve the matters via peace.

Unlike you I want to go for a solution what you are telling me is that Pakistan deserve this due to it's wrong policies and stuff. For how long? No the common citizen and the common soldier who dies doesn't deserve it. We need to find a solution and the military operation isn't a complete solution to this problem, this though is a part of the solution.

Come on now, tell the story in full. You are acting as if Pakistan was a faithful participant in the dialogue. Rather, Pakistan continued to prod, instigate, and allow NATO pipelines; just a few days before a major attack they once again offered up coordinates on a TTP leader and the TTP responded in kind.

Strong nations do not really care what the rest of the world says when its thinking about the life and dignity of its people and dealing with them on the level.

Money is only a part of the bribe - Pakistan also receives state of the art killing machines from its established relationships. It views the lives of the tribal Pashtuns as well worth the exchange for the latest and greatest arms.

The Gaurdian noted the following DURING the supposed talks:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/09/pakistan-taliban-karachi-attack-peace-talks

In recent weeks the army has launched what it described as retaliatory air strikes and limited ground operations in North Waziristan, a tribal "agency" bordering Afghanistan that serves as an important sanctuary for the TTP.

And as others have noted, Pakistan has the operational capabilities to do as Iran has done and forcibly stop the drones, but wikileaks and others have proven that the government purposefully does not do so.

Therefore, the answer of how long you should wait is dependent on how honest a broker you are willing to be. Pakistan obviously determined that it preferred face saving operations and wars of attrition instead of truly accomplishing reconciliation.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Any time I want to laugh, I just think of this pathetic general sitting and begging US for money and to stay. How did he sit and was he pretending to be macho? Did he ask for a starbucks latter? Disgusting loser. He must have started crying "give me money, pleeeasse!"

The US is leaving, and the dollars to Pak will end. Period.