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    Pakistan has launched a military operation to clear militants from its side of the Afghan border, but it may still make deals with groups it sees as "friendly", reports M Ilyas Khan.


    Will Pakistan go all out against militants?
    By M Ilyas Khan
    BBC News, Islamabad
    In this Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 file photo, Pakistani troops walk on a hilltop post near Ladha, a town in the Pakistani troubled tribal region of South Waziristan along the Afghan border.
    Pakistan's offensive raises many as yet unanswered questions
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    Pakistan's military operation to clear al-Qaeda and Taliban militants from its side of the Afghan border has long been demanded by Kabul and Washington.

    Troops are now on alert in Pakistan's towns and cities after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif approved the offensive in North Waziristan.

    A military statement quoting army chief Gen Raheel Sharif said it was aimed at eliminating "all terrorists and their sanctuaries" in the tribal area.

    But there are questions which will be answered only as the operation unfolds.

    For one, the military has only been conducting air raids in the region so far, and there is no evidence yet of any boots on the ground.

    And, the air raids have targeted only Central Asian fighters and Pakistani Taliban (TTP), both known for their animosity towards Pakistan.

    In this file photo taken on Sunday, Aug. 5, 2012, Pakistani Taliban (taleban) patrol in their stronghold of Shawal in Pakistani tribal region of South Waziristan
    The operation is aimed at militants in the Shawal region of Waziristan
    The question is, will there be strikes against the feared Haqqani network and two militant groups native to Waziristan which have thus far mainly focused attacks on Afghanistan?

    One of these, the Hafiz Gul Bahadur group, controls North Waziristan, and has played host not only to the Haqqani network and the TTP franchise, but also to militants from the Middle East, Central Asia and parts of Pakistan.

    The Mullah Nazir group - named after its commander who was killed in a US drone strike last year - controls the Wana region of South Waziristan, and has like the Hafiz Gul Bahadur group focused its energies on Afghanistan.

    Both have had peace deals with Islamabad, but Hafiz Gul Bahadur recently threatened to revoke the agreement if Pakistan continued to bomb targets in his region.

    There is also a question mark over a recent move by Pakistan to pull out guards from a section of Waziristan's border with Afghanistan's Khost province, leaving it unmanned for nearly two weeks.

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    Officials in Miranshah, the administrative centre of North Waziristan, say most foreign fighters have since slipped into Afghanistan, as have tribal elements affiliated with the TTP.

    Considering these early developments, the emerging picture appears to be one of restrained military action aimed at driving undesired elements over the border into Afghanistan without greatly upsetting the "friendly" groups or the "civilian population", as local officials put it.

    Those that are being driven out are likely to regroup and create alternative sanctuaries in Khost, just as the militants already driven from the Swat, Bajaur and Mohmand regions of Pakistan's tribal areas set up sanctuaries in Kunar and Nuristan provinces of Afghanistan.

    The difference is that while those in Kunar and Nuristan are hindered by geography from launching major attacks in Afghanistan - and have therefore been more focused on Pakistan - the elements who gather in Khost will have Kabul within their striking distance.

    Analysts close to the Pakistani military establishment accuse the militant groups in Kunar and Nuristan of having become "foreign proxies", used by Afghanistan, India and even the US to punish Pakistan for supporting the Haqqani network and the Quetta Shura, as the Afghan Taliban leadership is known.

    Civilians fleeing North Waziristan wait in a line of traffic to clear a check post near Darra Adam Khel on June 16, 2014.
    Thousands of civilians are fleeing Waziristan for safety
    Many believe that a sanctuary in Khost is likely to become more Afghanistan focused, although some elements there, too, wouldn't mind being used against Pakistan.

    This leaves us with the so-called friendly groups, who are natives of the Waziristan region, have had peace deals with Islamabad, and have hosted and nourished the wider militant fraternity that today stalks the entire Afghan-Pakistan region.

    This proliferation of Taliban is credited by many to a Pakistani policy - denied by Islamabad - of arming and encouraging the Taliban to capture Kabul so as to prevent its arch-rival, India, from expanding its influence in Afghanistan.

    But since this fraternity started to breed groups that turned on Pakistan, analysts say the Pakistanis would now like to secure their border with Afghanistan so as to prevent a reverse flow of these "foreign proxies" into its territory. The current operation is to achieve that goal, they say.

    It is still not clear why Pakistan seems to be holding back on the Haqqani network and the Waziristan groups.

    Some analysts who are close to the military suggest that these groups may still come in handy if Pakistan decides to keep parts of Afghanistan unsettled until its fears of Indian ascendancy in Kabul are put to rest.

    But most are unanimous that Pakistan does not want a total Taliban victory in Kabul any more, because in the changed circumstances Pakistan would be the first country where they would try to export their ideology.

    To succeed at this tricky game of realpolitik, Pakistan will need to hold sensitive negotiations with the native groups.

    Both these groups would like to remain in control of their territory, and if given a chance, would like to make Waziristan part of an extended Taliban sanctuary that includes southern and eastern Afghanistan.

    Since the Pakistan-Afghanistan border is officially disputed by Kabul, there is a real danger of these groups striking a deal with Kabul to create problems for Pakistan.

    Backing disaffected Waziri tribesmen against Pakistan might be seen by Kabul as a way of getting back at Islamabad.

    After all, it's unlikely to welcome thousands of militants being dumped on its territory by its larger and more powerful neighbour.

    Pakistan will therefore be treading a very fine line when it negotiates any power-sharing deal with these groups

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    • #3
      So who do you want to see as victorious in the end, the TTP or Paki army? Also, what of the silence of the so called nationalist parties?
      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

      Sayyid Qutb

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      • #4
        Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
        So who do you want to see as victorious in the end, the TTP or Paki army? Also, what of the silence of the so called nationalist parties?
        I don't know who but one thing I know is Pashtun masses will be the looser until they pick up guns and get the hell out of both the NaPak Army and its illicit children.

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        • #5
          The Pakistani army will never break the resistance of the Mujahideen in the tribal areas. All previous attempts of Islamabad regime to capture Waziristan ended with the defeat of Pakistani soldiers and a truce on condition of Mujahideen.
          Last edited by Zubr-Zubr; 06-18-2014, 05:10 PM.

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          • #6
            The majority of the population of the zone of tribes does not support the regime in Islamabad and the policy of the Punjabis against Pashtuns, and supports the Pakistani Taliban. Without the support of the local population Pakistan army never conquer Waziristans mountains.

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            • #7
              Policy Nawaz Sharif is aimed at intimidation of the people. The punitive operation in North Waziristan this message all the opposition forces, not just the Taliban. Today Nawaz does not want to dialogue, and to violence. And this is a big problem in Pakistan. Terror, arrests and mass killings Nawaz will never be able to establish in the country's peace and stability. Nawaz must take all requirements and conditions of the Taliban. The Pakistani Taliban are an integral part of the Pakistani society and the voice of the Taliban must be heard.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                I don't know who but one thing I know is Pashtun masses will be the looser until they pick up guns and get the hell out of both the NaPak Army and its illicit children.
                If only we Pashtons had brain...if only! I hate these Talibi rats with passion...but can not stand seeing bravest of Afghan tribes Masud and Wazir being murdered by Punjos... …yet we see some of Peshawar pathan waving Porkistan flags and cheering Ranjit Sing assault. it boils my blood!
                ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                  If only we Pashtons had brain...if only! I hate these Talibi rats with passion...but can not stand seeing bravest of Afghan tribes Masud and Wazir being murdered by Punjos... …yet we see some of Peshawar pathan waving Porkistan flags and cheering Ranjit Sing assault. it boils my blood!
                  You sir, are an idiot.

                  Like we Punjabis of Pakistan respect Ranjit Shingh when he destoryed Uch Sharif, and turned masjids into horse stables in Lahore...

                  We hate Sikhs more than anyone else on this Earth.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pakwatan View Post
                    You sir, are an idiot.

                    Like we Punjabis of Pakistan respect Ranjit Shingh when he destoryed Uch Sharif, and turned masjids into horse stables in Lahore...

                    We hate Sikhs more than anyone else on this Earth.
                    Its your personal opinion. Most of the punjabis on paki forums respect and glorify ranjeet singh and consider abdali as a villian, an invader and looter.
                    Last edited by Smarty; 06-19-2014, 07:15 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                      Its your personal opinion. Most of the punjabis on paki forums respect and glorify ranjeet singh and consider abdali as a villian, an invader and looter.
                      It's not my personal opinion. Most of those Punjabis that consider Sikh Ranjeet Singh as a hero are Jatts and Gujjars. They have families on both sides of Pakistan India border. They are disgusting. We Arains are 100% Muslim, and don't have sikh or hindu people/population in India. There is no tribe in India called Arain.

                      Abdali was not favored in our area, but he was better than the Sikh and Hindu mongrels.


                      Arain History
                      The Arain are an agricultural caste settled mainly in the Punjab (Pakistan), with significant numbers also in the Sindh [citation needed] (Pakistan). They are chiefly associated with farming (market gardening), traditionally being small landowners or zamindars.
                      Word Arain
                      Many of the Arains of Punjab claim descent from Rai Jaj, the grandson of Lava, the founder of Lahore. Jaj was ruler of Sarsa territory and on that account was called a Rae; and his descendants became known as Rain, hence Arain .the Jalandhar Arains claim descent from Rai Bhuta, fifth in descent from Raja Karan (q.v.), and were settled in Uch (in Multan). Bhutta is one of the important clan of the Arains which is also shared by Rajputs and the Jatts. Bhutto is another variant of Bhutta. The Arains of Sahiwal point out that they were Surajbansi Rajputs, originally settled around Delhi. Arains of Ghaggar valley are also said to have been formerly Rajputs living on the Panjnad near Multan. The Arains of Hissar also claim Rajput descent.

                      Some Arains also claim Aryan descent from the ancient Iranians. A large section of people in Saraswati river basin, in both India and Pakistan, still call themselves Aryans. Some say that the Arain are the descendants of the nomadic Aryans who had invaded North India around 1500 BCE. Some people of Pakistan like to believe that the Arain were the Iranian tribal people with agriculture and sheep rearing profession who came to and settled in North India. They derive term Arain from Arya => Aryan => Arayan = Arain. Numerous Punjabis, both in India and Pakistan, claim descent from the Indo-Iranian Aryans. Ex-President of Pakistan Zia-ul-Haq was Arain.
                      Some writers like Ahmed Abdulla of Pakistan and Syed Abdul Quddus of India etc have distorted Rai Jaj of Mr Purser to Rai Chajju and, have also connected him erroneously to Ujjain in Malwa, rather than the Sarsa of the Arain traditions. Further, both these writers have also erroneously related Rai Chajju (Rai Jaj of Mr Purser) to Raja Karan, the supposed ancestor of the Kambohs/Kambojs of Jalandhar (Punjab), but curiously enough, they have not furnished any evidence to prove the relationship between Raja Karan and Rae Jaj ( or Rai Chajju?)
                      Languages
                      They tend to speak different languages, including but not limited to Urdu, Punjabi, Pothohari, Seraiki, Sindhi, Hindko, and Pushto depending on their place of residence.
                      Religion
                      The Arain are overwhelmingly, if not entirely, Muslim. The only specific data found on the subject is from the Joshua Project, which shows them to be 97% Muslim a proportion much greater than the other agricultural castes of the Punjab (the Jats, Gujjars and Rajputs, which are 53%, 55%, and 31% Muslim, respectively).
                      Some believe that Arain are descendants of Arab invaders to the Indian subcontinent. They think Arain came from Areeha (Jericho, Israel) with Muhammad Bin Qasim in 92 Hijri (711 AD).Muhammad Hayaat Madni was a Commander in Muhammad Bin Qasim's Army - 711 AD as held in the family tree of famous Arain Mian Family Baghbanpura. Reference to their lineage is made by the famous Indian Historian of Islam, Akbar Shah Khan Najeebabadi, who declared that they entered India thru Debal, Sindh with Muhammad Bin Qasim. He declared them Areehai from Arreha (Jericho) which was Punjabized with a nasal sound to Arain. These highly-specific claims are nevertheless viewed by some as a desire for claiming an unbroken practice of Islam through the ages, for the sake of current prestige.
                      Destiny of the Tribe Raeen
                      Muhammad Sharif, a UK based Indian historian, writes in "Destiny of the Tribe Raeen" that they started coming to Sindh (Iraq-i-Ajam) in 46 Hijri (666 AD) at the end of Orthodox Caliphate. They belonged to the Banu Sama (Saama or Samma) sub-tribe of Banu 'Amir (Aamir or Amer) tribe of the larger clan Aal-i-Adnan (The House of Adnan) through Hawazin. This Sama dynasty had a long list of Rulers in Sindh, Multan, Uch and Kach, 14 of whom became famous. It had three distinct off shoots and some historical tribes which are mistaken to be local Balochs or Dravidian Sindhis such as Zardari, and Hangaro also belonged to this sub-tribe. Raeen and not Arain are the people who took their name from famous Sama ruler Jam Raeena. Jam Raeena (Raeedun or Raideena) also known as Mulla Raeena was grandson of Sultan Awadh who was son of Jahankaran from Abreeha sub-caste of Sama. He ruled Kachh and then Sindh. There are 9 distinct sub-castes of Samma tribe which are specific only to Raeen till this date viz Nain, Sair, Qadria, Chachar, Chanan, Bahmani, Miana, Laman, and Khambrah. These are pure Sarsawal Raeen. Other Samma sub-castes are variably known as Multani Raeen or Baloch or Local Sindhi or even Abro viz Jhumrah, Zohabdari, Bali, Halpota, Phulpota, Sarangi and Hangaro. Sub-sub-castes are however in hundreds and one can find from ones revenue record.
                      Ranking
                      There are four or five main rankings (not sub-castes) which refer to the wealth held by the Arain namely Mian, Malik,Chaudery and Mehar or Mahar. The rankings among Arain are not birthrights (such as those among other castes) and one can freely ascend/descend according to changes in personal wealth. Arain have multitudes of gotras, or sub-clans, many of them bear names that indicate soldiering as a profession. For example: Ghalar, Gahgeer and Goheer (ferocious horse of armoured corps), Gatku (fencer), Kavali (soldier patrolling while others rest), Basroo (observation post), Bahman (brave, uncontrollable or insurmountable), Bhaila (alms-keeper who walks with the commander when he is giving away alms after a victory), Daulay (those who got land in return for military services), Khatora (spy), Ramay (archers), Rattay (bloody, red, ferocious fighters), Ramday (red -eyed soldiers), Labanay (an army column equipped with batons), Jatalay (victors), Qutub Shahi: (soldiers or their offspring who accompanied Qutubuddin Aibak), Sappal (marksmen), Bahalwan (driver of a chariot), Mudh and Mundh logisticians supplying logistics and reinforcement to the army), Teerandaz (archers), Katarband (users of katar, a weapon used by ancient armies, Wagi (Owner of large herds of animals especially buls/cows), Spal or Aspal (possessing horses from Persian Asp meaning horse) and Bhutta/Bhutto (dwellers of high places).
                      Blood Group
                      A study by the Pakistan Journal of Medical Sciences on blood types of the major ethnicities in the Punjab showed that O is the most common blood group (among all ethnicities), except among the Arain where B is most common, the difference being statistically significant. Whilst not proof of non-local ancestry, it does illustrate a difference between the Arain and the other castes inhabiting the Punjab. More research would be needed to determine in greater detail the caste's migratory provenance.
                      The Arain during the British Raj
                      The Arain land holders should not be confused with the more gentrified zamindars such as the feudal Rajput landlords of vast holdings. Polo, partridge shoots and tea parties were therefore not associated attributes. Neither were the more negative and profligate practises such as "...dancing girls, drunken evenings listening to poetry, or numerous marriages...". When the British wanted land developed in the Punjab after its annexation, Arain were brought in to cultivate lands around the cities, forming irrigated colonies[30]. The Arain were so favoured for their "hard work, frugality and sense of discipline". Subsequent development of towns and cities and increasing urbanisation resulted in the value of the land settled by Arain to rise significantly, and Arain families thus flourished. Education was prioritised with the new found wealth and the Arain came to dominate the legal profession amongst urban Punjabi Muslims.
                      Many used law to enter politics.
                      The Arain were classified as a "non-martial race" by the British, a classification deemed arbitrary and based on prejudices prevalent at the time (see martial race). Actually Arain was a much better martial race as is evident from their history. For example Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi, a great freedom fighter, was able to drive out the British from Ludhiana, during the 1857 War of Independence which the British Colonialist prefer to call mutiny. Interestingly he was one of the few Muslim fighters to have taken up arms against the Colonialists. He took his forces to Panipat and from there to Chandni Chowk in Delhi, but was defeated and martyred fighting. Maulana Sani's theory was that because Shah Abdul Qadir was an Arain the British later put a ban on that tribe from being employed in their Indian army.
                      Either Tughlaq or Mahmood Ghaznavi sent a horse-mounted army comprising of Awan and Arain from Jalandhar and Anbala under the command of Imam Ali-ul-Haq, an Arain,to capture the rioting town of Sakala near Jammu. Imam captured the town and converted many people to Islam. The town was named Aspalkot which changed to Spalkot and later Sialkot. Imam was martyred in a skirmish and buried in the city. The people who came with him were called Aspal or Spal arain. This sub-tribe also settled in Gujrat and Wazirabad.arain in boloch in daddar in bolochistan.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pakwatan View Post
                        It's not my personal opinion. Most of those Punjabis that consider Sikh Ranjeet Singh as a hero are Jatts and Gujjars. They have families on both sides of Pakistan India border. They are disgusting. We Arains are 100% Muslim, and don't have sikh or hindu people/population in India. There is no tribe in India called Arain.

                        Abdali was not favored in our area, but he was better than the Sikh and Hindu mongrels.


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                        hahahahha!!

                        Mr Arian show us your picture if difficult to see something. lets take your DNA mr ARIAN!
                        To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
                          hahahahha!!

                          Mr Arian show us your picture if difficult to see something. lets take your DNA mr ARIAN!
                          You are confusing Arain tribe of Punjab with "Arians" or "Aryans".

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                          • #14
                            [MENTION=13640]Pakwatan[/MENTION]
                            Most of the paki punjabis are jats and you are admitting that they have favourable views about ranjeet singh.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                              [MENTION=13640]Pakwatan[/MENTION]
                              Most of the paki punjabis are jats and you are admitting that they have favourable views about ranjeet singh.
                              This is your problem.

                              You Afghans think Punjab is an identity like Pashtun.

                              LoL.


                              To me, an Arain, a Jatt and Pashtun is the same.

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