pashtun unity from amu to abaseen

[gadoonwal]

From pamir to farah
chetral to bolan
pashtuns are one nation.
Our history,language and blood is same.
artificially drawn” borders are not accepted to us.
pakistan and tajiks must know that any attempt to sign durand will not be accepted.
Your own country and land will become hell for you.
If we can,nt get pashtunistan we will also not allow you to live a peacefull life.
Your people will never enjoy peace untill we get our land back.
We are weak and divided but not defeated.we are occupied but our minds are not.
brenjkhoran and daalkhoran will lose .
pashtuns must work for their unity
Be aware of punjabi islamization and so called farsiwanization.
yaw pakhtun

[gadoonwal]

The two twin are busy planing to sign durand.
Stand for your pashtunism and nang.
Respect,support and help eachothers.
Your language,culture and land will become part of hsitory if you do not follow pashtunism.
You are 55 millions strong nation with rich history.
why are you too weak?
who is stabbing you?
who is making fool of you?

look to kurds
divided in 4 countries but still treat eachothers like brothers.
They are divided but act like one nation.
Death to farsi and urdu
Death to the indic and iranain civilization on pashtun soil.

[25tajik75pashtun]

In this day and age pashtuns remain some of the most backwards and uneducated, retrogressive thinking people to walk this planet, tribe against tribe, cousin against cousin, brother against brother. Unity will simply never occur - also, farsi and farsi speakers have given more to humanity than pashtuns or pashto speakers have or ever will, this is the simple and bitter reality. Also, pashtun soil is limited to KPK, FATA, suleiman mountains and a chunk of afghanistan in the afg-pak border, anywhere else populated by pashtuns today wasn't in the past and is a result of migrations over time whereas kurds have lived in their areas without really expanding into non-native areas to the extent pashtuns have.

On another note, kurds are indeed an oppressed people, pashtuns are not as oppressed as kurds and are more or less oppressors.

[Khostai]

In this day and age pashtuns remain some of the most backwards and uneducated, retrogressive thinking people to walk this planet, tribe against tribe, cousin against cousin, brother against brother. Unity will simply never occur - also, farsi and farsi speakers have given more to humanity than pashtuns or pashto speakers have or ever will, this is the simple and bitter reality. Also, pashtun soil is limited to KPK, FATA, suleiman mountains and a chunk of afghanistan in the afg-pak border, anywhere else populated by pashtuns today wasn't in the past and is a result of migrations over time whereas kurds have lived in their areas without really expanding into non-native areas to the extent pashtuns have.

On another note, kurds are indeed an oppressed people, pashtuns are not as oppressed as kurds and are more or less oppressors.

Nope filthy Tajiks and farsi speakers are opresser and facist.
Farsi speaker gave to the world, chadari an inhuman thing to opress women, bacha bazi, organized crime, selling of children and opressing other people culture and traditions.
Bigest example of evilness can be found in Iran and Tajikistan.

[TajikNationalistGER]

Nope filthy Tajiks and farsi speakers are opresser and facist.
Farsi speaker gave to the world, chadari an inhuman thing to opress women, bacha bazi, organized crime, selling of children and opressing other people culture and traditions.
Bigest example of evilness can be found in Iran and Tajikistan.

Interesting, ... you count points famous for being practiced for centuries among Pashtuns on both sides of the border and yet you claim them for non-Pashtuns blaming us. You know that around 60% of Kandahari men are gays and pedophiles? No, Kandahar is not in northern Afghanistan. You know that Jajis, Jadarans, Mangals, Kuchis, Sulaimankhels are considered even among Pashtuns as wankers and wife-traders? Just because some former Northern-Alliance commanders (many Pashtuns belonging to this alliance as well) are using bacha bazi to punish a tribe or a certain group you generalize it. You are far away from reality, dude.

Hindu Gadoon,

Pashtun´s right to claim on northern Afghanistan or any region beyond Kandahar, Helmand, Zabul, Paktika, Paktya, Khost, Kunar is irrelevant as Tajiks claim on Peshawar and Islamabad. After the election, the Uzbeks and Dostums will become back what they were before the teaming up for elections - the worst enemies of naqleen population. If you don´t believe me, you are free to ask 645 000 Pashtuns living in refugee camps in all over the southern territories. Not that much Pashtuns remained in the north, except some 400 000 of whom 200 000 ''settled'' in the last 5 years in Balkh due security issues. Majority of Kandahari Tajiks on the other hands moved freely to Kabul, Herat, Ghor and Mazar taking all the provincial money and wealth of the region with them.

[25tajik75pashtun]

Nope filthy Tajiks and farsi speakers are opresser and facist.
Farsi speaker gave to the world, chadari an inhuman thing to opress women, bacha bazi, organized crime, selling of children and opressing other people culture and traditions.
Bigest example of evilness can be found in Iran and Tajikistan.

let's go through this point by point shall we?

Chadari is a concept propagated by islam - it is also a fact that you won't find burqas anywhere else except for afghanistan and pashtun areas of pakistan, the only other place in the world to force their women to wear something like the burqa, the niqab is saudi arabia but even then the women there have a lot more rights and respect than women of afghanistan do.

Bacha bazi is more or less a greek introduction to the area, you can say how it's persian or whatever but the fact remains that in iran and tajikistan it's rarely practised whereas in afghanistan it's practised both by pashtuns, tajiks and also uzbeks - even more troubling is that it's practised in the pashtun areas of pakistan, hell "pathans" are given a stereotype of being pedos to some close minded sindhis and punjabis in particular.

In terms of organized crime, everyone is guilty of it, from tajiks to pashtuns we are all watan ferosh but the blame definitely lies much more on pashtuns betraying fellow pashtuns.

In what way do farsi speakers "oppress" anyone else? It's a fact that is observed by history that no matter what conqueror passed through the area either had deep admiration for persian culture and adopted the language and this definitely includes the pashtun elite.

To address your point of iran and tajikistan, in what way are they evil? I definitely don't like iran especially given the fact that they are shia and spill the blood of sunnis one way or another but we can't deny the fact that even though their country is sanctioned to hell that they still somehow just the other day announced the creation of various anti-cancer drugs, their women dominate their universities and are allowed an education, are allowed to pick their husbands/suitors and it's perhaps only in the most uneducated of areas that child marriages occur and even then it's a betrothal rather than an immediate marriage. If you contrast that with the sad state afghans and afghanistan are in, it's very shameful not to mention saddening.

[Kushan Prince]

Interesting, ... you count points famous for being practiced for centuries among Pashtuns on both sides of the border and yet you claim them for non-Pashtuns blaming us. You know that around 60% of Kandahari men are gays and pedophiles? No, Kandahar is not in northern Afghanistan. You know that Jajis, Jadarans, Mangals, Kuchis, Sulaimankhels are considered even among Pashtuns as wankers and wife-traders? Just because some former Northern-Alliance commanders (many Pashtuns belonging to this alliance as well) are using bacha bazi to punish a tribe or a certain group you generalize it. You are far away from reality, dude.

Hindu Gadoon,

Pashtun´s right to claim on northern Afghanistan or any region beyond Kandahar, Helmand, Zabul, Paktika, Paktya, Khost, Kunar is irrelevant as Tajiks claim on Peshawar and Islamabad. After the election, the Uzbeks and Dostums will become back what they were before the teaming up for elections - the worst enemies of naqleen population. If you don´t believe me, you are free to ask 645 000 Pashtuns living in refugee camps in all over the southern territories. Not that much Pashtuns remained in the north, except some 400 000 of whom 200 000 ''settled'' in the last 5 years in Balkh due security issues. Majority of Kandahari Tajiks on the other hands moved freely to Kabul, Herat, Ghor and Mazar taking all the provincial money and wealth of the region with them.

I think your still sore from all those uzbek gheens going up your arse while you were engaging in bacha bazi. Seriously from a guy who makes multiple sock puppet accounts to troll this forum for sheer entertainment, you honestly don't know jack shyt about afg or Pashtuns. Your comments indicate to me that your life must be really boring. Pashtuns have present in the north since Ahmad Shah Durrani's time and more then 500,000 of them were settled in Balkh during Abdur Rahman's Pashtunization of the north. None of them came in the last "5 years" that would be impossible because of the on-going war. Your homeland is in badakhsan or Tajikistan where your ancestors came from, go back there if you hate Pashtuns so much, heck even your baba massoud was from Gulbab in Tajikistan. Read up on the Bilshek regime and how 1 million migrants from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan migrated into the north.

Pashtun land is defined as stretching from the indus to the Oxus (Amu Darya), maybe if you stopped polluting your mind with so much indian movies and opening pointless threads, then you wouldn't be pulling fake statistics out of your arse and spreading propaganda. Learn history son and stop having wet dreams over a "khorosan" it is really unhealthy.

[25tajik75pashtun]

Pashtun land is defined as stretching from the indus to the Oxus (Amu Darya), maybe if you stopped polluting your mind with so much indian movies and opening pointless threads, then you wouldn't be pulling fake statistics out of your arse and spreading propaganda. Learn history son.

can you give me some sources for the claims of pashtun land? Seems interesting but I've to this day never read anything about it - the northern areas have always been tajik or persian and not pashtun.

[Kushan Prince]

can you give me some sources for the claims of pashtun land? Seems interesting but I've to this day never read anything about it - the northern areas have always been tajik or persian and not pashtun.

Pashtoons, originally a Central Asian stock, is spread over in Pashtunkhwa (the land of the Pashtoons) lying between rivers Oxus and Indus

http://www.khyber.org/literature/a/Pashto_Literature_-_A_Quest_fo.shtml

Here you go happy? and there is no such thing as "Tajik" land because Tajiks are not a homogenous ethnic group and are defined solely on language. Anybody who speaks Farsi in Afghanistan like in Kabul, will be defined as a "Tajik." Also persians are from Iran, not Afghanistan.

[25tajik75pashtun]

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http://www.khyber.org/literature/a/Pashto_Literature_-_A_Quest_fo.shtml

Here you go happy? and there is no such thing as "Tajik" land because Tajiks are not a homogenous ethnic group and are defined solely on language. Anybody who speaks Farsi in Afghanistan like in Kabul, will be defined as a "Tajik." Also persians are from Iran, not Afghanistan.

I meant it such that those lands were indeed persian from which the likes of avicenna or rumi were brought about. The source you link is honestly quite disreputable

>Pashtoons, originally a Central Asian stock, is spread over in Pashtunkhwa (the land of the Pashtoons) lying between rivers Oxus and Indus.
this is in all honesty in every way incorrect, as can be accounted for by several armenian, persian and arab accounts of afghans. I'm guessing the writer of this meant it in a way such that he laid claim on the current boundaries of afghanistan which seems to be the case. The source only gives one sentence on the matter lol.

Pashtuns until recent times were mostly inhabiting south eastern afghanistan and north western pakistan, and arabs described them as hindu savages.


"We travelled on to Kabul, formerly a vast town, the site of which is now occupied by a village inhabited by a tribe of Persians called Afghans. They hold mountains and defiles and possess considerable strength, and are mostly highwaymen. Their principal mountain is called Kuh Sulayman. It is told that the prophet Sulayman [Solomon] ascended this mountain and having looked out over India, which was then covered with darkness, returned without entering it."[18] - Ibn Battuta

Al Beruni mentions the Afghans once (ed Sachau, I 208) saying that in the western mountains of India live various tribes of Afghans who extend to the neighbourhood of the Sindh (ie Indus) valley. Thus in the eleventh century when the Afghans are first mentioned, they are found occupying the Sulaiman Mountains now occupied by their descendents, the very tribes which the advocates of the exclusive claims of the Durannis will not admit to be true Afghans. Al Beruni no doubt also alludes to them in the passage (loc. Cit .p 199) where he says that rebellious savage races, tribes of Hindus, or akin to them inhabit the mountains which form the frontier of India towards the west.[7]

The most explicit mentioning of the Afghans appears in Al- Baruni’s Tarikh Al-Hind (eleventh century AD). Here it is said that various tribes of Afghans lived in the mountains in the west of India. Al Baruni adds that they were savage people and he describes them as Hindus.[8]

[TajikNationalistGER]

I think your still sore from all those uzbek gheens going up your arse while you were engaging in bacha bazi. Seriously from a guy who makes multiple sock puppet accounts to troll this forum for sheer entertainment, you honestly don't know jack shyt about afg or Pashtuns. Your comments indicate to me that your life must be really boring. Pashtuns have present in the north since Ahmad Shah Durrani's time and more then 500,000 of them were settled in Balkh during Abdur Rahman's Pashtunization of the north. None of them came in the last "5 years" that would be impossible because of the on-going war. Your homeland is in badakhsan or Tajikistan where your ancestors came from, go back there if you hate Pashtuns so much, heck even your baba massoud was from Gulbab in Tajikistan. Read up on the Bilshek regime and how 1 million migrants from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan migrated into the north.

Pashtun land is defined as stretching from the indus to the Oxus (Amu Darya), maybe if you stopped polluting your mind with so much indian movies and opening pointless threads, then you wouldn't be pulling fake statistics out of your arse and spreading propaganda. Learn history son and stop having wet dreams over a "khorosan" it is really unhealthy.

No, dude. I´m not a member of Naqleen population to be part of the whole Bacha Bazi customs. Read some old british or Indian (like Firishta) accounts about your forefathers than you may know better your grand-father and father. Hadn´t your ´grand-father kicked out your own father of his house when it came out he had enjoyed many times with some Mazari men? That´s the reason why your grand-father and father don´t have anything to say to eachother, right? You talk about Bacha Bazi (which is part of your male-dominated and strict society), accusing and blaming others, while your own family members have deep relation with such customs. I bet, here you defend ''your'' identity and in real you are talking as in typical immigrant the language of the autochtone population and practice our culture and nothing you have or do resemble any Pashtun.

Aren´t you a Kharoti, half-breed ''Uzbek'' (Karait Mongol who settled origianlly in Kandahar-Quetta region) and Pashtunized Indo-Khalji? (thanks to real Afghans) Dude, you are an IDless Kuchi. A nomad. You Kharotis can not even speak properly Pashto. You people are like Wardaks and Kunaris. Pashto-speaking non-Pashtuns. Adoptet and IDless tribe. The region you claim for ''Pashtuns'' as a non-Pashtun, has a long and deep rooted history of settled population, science, art, philosophy, civilisation, music, achitecture. Can you bring up anything related with these factors? There were no Pashtuns before 1883. Abdurrahman had three reasons to settle your british-supported grand-grand-father to northern Afghanistan.

1: your grand-father was a thug, serving the British Empire against Kabul
2: your savage manners against the Persianated government and Tajikfied army and all preceded governments and of course your savage raids on Durani Pashtun and Qizilbash lands in the south handed to them by Nader Afshar himself and later by Ahmad Khan Abdali. I am sure Abdali would have killed today of you Naqleen people again. You don´t know Abdali that you use his name with your unwashed mouth. What I can say that he would kill all Pashtun nationalists and Islamists like Goo-da-Goor-Mullah-Namard-Omar if he would be alive today.
3: settling you in northern Afghanistan close to malaria-infected rivers and in regions well-known for decimation of large populations he wanted to reduce your numbers. At the same time using you in later times as canon fodder against Russians, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Turkmen, what you exactly later became. If you don´t believe me read Siraj al-Tawarikh to understand your pathetic role in northern Afghanistan. When the time was there to be used against Tajiks, Turkmen and Uzbeks supported by czarist supplies, you were killed to many thousands while on the northern side the northern people had less than 650 people lost. Abdurrahman have not signed the agreement with Czarist Russia immidiately. He waited and waited and waited...

I heard you are the nephew of this ugly b** Safi from Mazar, who had for some times an affair with one of Atta´s Uzbek chiefs to get a job in politics. I guess, the money your family gets through the Uzbek´s melone head taste good, huh? Be thankful to the real sons of north like Atta otherwise your aunt would maybe work on any street there or in Pakistan. It´s the khairat of the melone head and Noor Mohammad Atta.

How ''Pashtun land'' is defined is not a Pashtun issue. It´s a Tajik-Uzbek-Baloch-Panjab-Sindhi issue. If you don´t get it then wait and feel it, otherwise you wake up from your day-dreamings and face basic facts. You have no reason to make claims on northern, central or western Afghanistan, not any reasons to make any on Nimruz and the western half of Helmand or on Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan, Hunza, Hazara district, Attock, Peshawar, Quetta, Gwadar. The same way not a single Paki, Hazara, Tajik, Uzbek has any right or reason to claim on any part of Khost, Kandahar, Zabul, FATA, Waziristan. I support your idea of Pashtunistan. I welcome it. I also support Balochistan, Hazara state and Greater Tajikistan. 62% of Balkh´s population is Tajik and the rest are shared by Uzbeks and Hazaras. On what your claims would base? Being a minority? In Herat, Tajiks domiante the whole province with 78,2% (Aimaks) and the city with 85%. You want what? Faryab is inhabitet by Uzbeks (62%) followed by Tajiks (30%). You want make claims? Samangan is a Tajik province with 70% share. Baghlan 72%. Kabul 62% followed by Hazaras with 22-25%. You have claims? Bamian has only 1% Pashtun population. Hazarafied Tarakis. Ghor has less than 2% Pashtun population. You want make claims? Come on, boy, study the elections from 2002 until now. You are just a mosaic part of Afghanistan, not Afghanistan itself.

Hey, you know what? The elections are over. Let´s see how Pashtun-friendly now Junbish Mili will be to you once the results are announced. You better go to ''your'' country and have a look to the situation before making stupid claims out of reach.


Ps: I am a socket-puppet? ...LOL

[Kushan Prince]

No, dude. I´m not a member of Naqleen population to be part of the whole Bacha Bazi customs. Read some old british or Indian (like Firishta) accounts about your forefathers than you may know better your grand-father and father. Hadn´t your ´grand-father kicked out your own father of his house when it came out he had enjoyed many times with some Mazari men? That´s the reason why your grand-father and father don´t have anything to say to eachother, right? You talk about Bacha Bazi (which is part of your male-dominated and strict society), accusing and blaming others, while your own family members have deep relation with such customs. I bet, here you defend ''your'' identity and in real you are talking as in typical immigrant the language of the autochtone population and practice our culture and nothing you have or do resemble any Pashtun.

Aren´t you a Kharoti, half-breed ''Uzbek'' (Karait Mongol who settled origianlly in Kandahar-Quetta region) and Pashtunized Indo-Khalji? (thanks to real Afghans) Dude, you are an IDless Kuchi. A nomad. You Kharotis can not even speak properly Pashto. You people are like Wardaks and Kunaris. Pashto-speaking non-Pashtuns. Adoptet and IDless tribe. The region you claim for ''Pashtuns'' as a non-Pashtun, has a long and deep rooted history of settled population, science, art, philosophy, civilisation, music, achitecture. Can you bring up anything related with these factors? There were no Pashtuns before 1883. Abdurrahman had three reasons to settle your british-supported grand-grand-father to northern Afghanistan.

1: your grand-father was a thug, serving the British Empire against Kabul
2: your savage manners against the Persianated government and Tajikfied army and all preceded governments and of course your savage raids on Durani Pashtun and Qizilbash lands in the south handed to them by Nader Afshar himself and later by Ahmad Khan Abdali. I am sure Abdali would have killed today of you Naqleen people again. You don´t know Abdali that you use his name with your unwashed mouth. What I can say that he would kill all Pashtun nationalists and Islamists like Goo-da-Goor-Mullah-Namard-Omar if he would be alive today.
3: settling you in northern Afghanistan close to malaria-infected rivers and in regions well-known for decimation of large populations he wanted to reduce your numbers. At the same time using you in later times as canon fodder against Russians, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Turkmen, what you exactly later became. If you don´t believe me read Siraj al-Tawarikh to understand your pathetic role in northern Afghanistan. When the time was there to be used against Tajiks, Turkmen and Uzbeks supported by czarist supplies, you were killed to many thousands while on the northern side the northern people had less than 650 people lost. Abdurrahman have not signed the agreement with Czarist Russia immidiately. He waited and waited and waited...

I heard you are the nephew of this ugly b** Safi from Mazar, who had for some times an affair with one of Atta´s Uzbek chiefs to get a job in politics. I guess, the money your family gets through the Uzbek´s melone head taste good, huh? Be thankful to the real sons of north like Atta otherwise your aunt would maybe work on any street there or in Pakistan. It´s the khairat of the melone head and Noor Mohammad Atta.

How ''Pashtun land'' is defined is not a Pashtun issue. It´s a Tajik-Uzbek-Baloch-Panjab-Sindhi issue. If you don´t get it then wait and feel it, otherwise you wake up from your day-dreamings and face basic facts. You have no reason to make claims on northern, central or western Afghanistan, not any reasons to make any on Nimruz and the western half of Helmand or on Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan, Hunza, Hazara district, Attock, Peshawar, Quetta, Gwadar. The same way not a single Paki, Hazara, Tajik, Uzbek has any right or reason to claim on any part of Khost, Kandahar, Zabul, FATA, Waziristan. I support your idea of Pashtunistan. I welcome it. I also support Balochistan, Hazara state and Greater Tajikistan. 62% of Balkh´s population is Tajik and the rest are shared by Uzbeks and Hazaras. On what your claims would base? Being a minority? In Herat, Tajiks domiante the whole province with 78,2% (Aimaks) and the city with 85%. You want what? Faryab is inhabitet by Uzbeks (62%) followed by Tajiks (30%). You want make claims? Samangan is a Tajik province with 70% share. Baghlan 72%. Kabul 62% followed by Hazaras with 22-25%. You have claims? Bamian has only 1% Pashtun population. Hazarafied Tarakis. Ghor has less than 2% Pashtun population. You want make claims? Come on, boy, study the elections from 2002 until now. You are just a mosaic part of Afghanistan, not Afghanistan itself.

Hey, you know what? The elections are over. Let´s see how Pashtun-friendly now Junbish Mili will be to you once the results are announced. You better go to ''your'' country and have a look to the situation before making stupid claims out of reach.

Ps: I am a socket-puppet? ...LOL

ROFL what the hell are you even rambling on about? Seems like my comment pinched a nerve. You're mentally ill, go see a doctor before you self destruct you ghul.

[TajikNationalistGER]

How Pashtunic are actually ''Pashtuns'' in the north living among Tajiks, giving their daughters to them? Let´s take a deep watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuG6AF_sds Every of these men spit in your Kharoti face and your Kharoti-Gulbuddini mentality. Majority of ''Pashtuns'' ARE TAJIKS. Before making claims, first make coming true the de-Tajikization and De-Uzbekization of ''Pashtuns''. This old and great ''Pashtun'' man should be awarded. He spits in the face of this fascist moderator.

[25tajik75pashtun]

ROFL what the hell are you even rambling on about? Seems like my comment pinched a nerve. You're mentally ill, go see a doctor before you self destruct you ghul.

everyone on this site is butthurt as ****, this includes you lol

[Kushan Prince]

How Pashtunic are actually ''Pashtuns'' in the north living among Tajiks, giving their daughters to them? Let´s take a deep watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuG6AF_sds Every of these men spit in your Kharoti face and your Kharoti-Gulbuddini mentality. Majority of ''Pashtuns'' ARE TAJIKS. Before making claims, first make coming true the de-Tajikization and De-Uzbekization of ''Pashtuns''. This old and great ''Pashtun'' man should be awarded. He spits in the face of this fascist moderator.

LOL again what? I'm not even Kharoti yet you accuse me of being one. And "Pashtuns are actually tajik"? LOL what? there is no such thing as a tajik kid go troll somewhere else.

Seriously, i'm done talking to a mentally ill person like you. Once you learn proper english and stop letting random men touch you, then a feasible convo with you is possible.