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  • North Waziristan empties out as foreign fighters flee

    By AFP
    June 13, 2014



    Most of the militants have gone deep into the mountains towards the Afghan border, an official said.— File photo


    MIRAMSHAH: Some of the world's most feared militants are quietly slipping away from the North Waziristan tribal region in anticipation of a long-rumoured military operation, raising questions about the effectiveness of such intervention.

    The exodus from the mountainous district on the Afghan border began in late May following air strikes by the Pakistani military, locals said.

    But it has been hastened by the Taliban's all-night siege of Karachi airport this week, which all but destroyed a tentative peace process.

    On Wednesday night two US drone strikes hit the region killing at least 16 in the first such attack this year, fueling suspicion of coordination between the two countries, with Islamabad's patience for talks seemingly exhausted.

    But as pressure builds for a fuller response to the airport assault, which was joined by militants from Uzbekistan, residents and officials in North Waziristan's main town of Miramshah said the majority of foreign and local fighters had already left.

    “Most of them have gone deep into the mountains towards the Afghan border,” a senior security official said.

    The locals said militant groups were also seen escaping from villages that are a known hub of the dreaded Haqqani network, an Al-Qaeda affiliate known for its spectacular attacks against US forces in Afghanistan.

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    Rumours of a ground offensive in North Waziristan, one of seven tribal regions along the border, have abounded for years.

    But authorities have held back from a final push — possibly fearing the blow-back in Pakistan's major cities such as Karachi, where 38 people including 10 militants were killed at the airport.

    However, the sheer numbers of people leaving — some 60,000, according to official estimates, since late May — suggest that this time might be different.


    Empty bazaars

    Residents saw foreign militants leaving the Machis Camp and Dattakhel village near Miramshah, as well as the villages of Musaki, Hurmaz, Hessokhel and Api.

    The fighters included Chechens, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Tajiks and Uighurs, residents and officials said.

    They arrived during the early 2000s, lured by the fiery rhetoric of Osama bin Laden and the chance to fight “infidel” forces in Afghanistan.

    Married into the local population, some have erected mud houses in small villages among the area's rugged mountains.

    Others “have rented houses and rooms here but they have now left towards the Afghan border”, a grocery shop owner in Miramshah bazaar said.

    Another resident in Miramshah estimated that more than 80 per cent of local and foreign fighters have left North Waziristan.

    The migrations began on May 22 when Pakistani F-16s pounded suspected targets, killing at least 75 according to the military.

    Government representatives also began holding talks two weeks ago with a grand Jira, or council of elders, warning them to hand over foreigners in the area or face severe consequences.

    “Tribesmen are against war, they want to solve this conflict with talks and according to tribal traditions and that's why we have formed a peace Jirga,” Jirga chief Sher Mohammed said.

    Residents said some Jirga members last week made announcements from mosque loudspeakers in several villages asking foreign fighters to leave the area.

    They also made those under their command hoist Pakistani flags to demonstrate their loyalty and ward off aerial attacks.
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    Deliberate strategy?

    Most areas along the border are not well demarcated, which allows militants to escape into Afghanistan.

    “They have moved towards Shawal and Birmal,” an intelligence official said, referring to remote villages on the Afghan border.

    A second security official said: “It is good that they [fighters] are leaving. We hope that tribesmen will not allow them to come and settle here again.

    “In case of any military operation, we will face less resistance,” he added.

    Residents said they have seen less activity of the feared Haqqani fighters in recent weeks. “They are also disappearing, probably they have gone to Khost, Paktia or Paktika,” one resident in Miramshah said, naming Afghan border provinces.

    Imtiaz Gul, a security analyst and long-time observer of the tribal areas, said the Jirga and other threats of full-scale action in North Waziristan appeared to be a deliberate strategy on Pakistan's part.

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    “This was probably done with a clear intent and that intent was to let them cross the border if they like.


    “As long they cross the border — why should it be Pakistan's headache? It's then the headache of Afghan and coalition forces,” he said, adding that such movement had occurred in the past when Islamabad had launched operations in other parts of the tribal areas and in Swat Valley. This is why it was so difficult to engage militants in a fight in the area, as they could eventually return.

    “They keep going backwards and forwards — they can't plug the entire border whether it's Pakistani militants or foreign militants. “

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    • #3
      [MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION]
      *Waday katal?

      TTP is reduced to a strength that they need foriegn fighter to run organization,With the fear of Operation they are running like cowards.

      With the 4 MI-35 expected within weeks,I am sure they are being imported on fasten basis for possible operation.

      I have talked to the people of NW last week and some of them even supported drone strikes and military operation.Years back a foreign agency quoted locals supporting drone strikes.i tried to make videos of them but they denied.I will try to make a video by my next visit.

      TTP indeed had the capability to be as strong as the iraq or Afghanistan militant org's but unlike as in iraq or Afghanistan.in Pakistan TTP didnt even enjoyed local support in Waziristan or in the rest of FATA let alone kpk or the rest of Pakistan.Apart from with internal problems Created by ISI.They had split into many factions from the past few years
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      • #4
        North Waziristan is a citadel of Islam. A triumph of the not islamic Pakistani laws will never be in Waziristan. The military operation of the Pakistani army will never come to an end victory over the mujahideen of TTP.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
          [MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION]
          *Waday katal?

          TTP is reduced to a strength that they need foriegn fighter to run organization,With the fear of Operation they are running like cowards.

          With the 4 MI-35 expected within weeks,I am sure they are being imported on fasten basis for possible operation.

          I have talked to the people of NW last week and some of them even supported drone strikes and military operation.Years back a foreign agency quoted locals supporting drone strikes.i tried to make videos of them but they denied.I will try to make a video by my next visit.

          TTP indeed had the capability to be as strong as the iraq or Afghanistan militant org's but unlike as in iraq or Afghanistan.in Pakistan TTP didnt even enjoyed local support in Waziristan or in the rest of FATA let alone kpk or the rest of Pakistan.Apart from with internal problems Created by ISI.They had split into many factions from the past few years
          Its possible that these foriegners were pressurized by locals to leave who assured peshawer core commander that they would expel foriegners within two weeks.....what about TTP?
          NW is in the control of hafiz gul bahadur, is he running away?. Moreover the word coward doesnt apply on guerrella insurgents, they do not fight in conventional way to begin with.
          And i am not surprised that some locals of NW would support highly precised drone strikes against ISI backed haqqani group, but if you are saying that are supporting F-16 bombing or cobra heli shelling on their villages, then you are lying.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
            @Smarty
            *Waday katal?

            TTP is reduced to a strength that they need foriegn fighter to run organization,With the fear of Operation they are running like cowards.
            one can also say that the pak military is reduced to a strength that they need foreign drones to run a war.

            .Apart from with internal problems Created by ISI.They had split into many factions from the past few years
            TTP was always multiple factions, even before TTP was formed.

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            • #7
              no one knows whats going on in North Waziristan. Only pak sources and paki intelligence officials are quoted as saying this and that like they ever tell the truth. No journalists or third party organizations are allowed in FATA. They are trying to create this picture that the militants are leaving and running away to boost the moral of the pak soldiers because everyone knows they are scared shytless entering North Waziristan.

              The only thing that is confirmed from afghan officials is that civilians have arrived to the afghan side of the border escaping the bombardment by pak military.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                Its possible that these foriegners were pressurized by locals to leave who assured peshawer core commander that they would expel foriegners within two weeks.....what about TTP?
                NW is in the control of hafiz gul bahadur, is he running away?. Moreover the word coward doesnt apply on guerrella insurgents, they do not fight in conventional way to begin with.
                And i am not surprised that some locals of NW would support highly precised drone strikes against ISI backed haqqani group, but if you are saying that are supporting F-16 bombing or cobra heli shelling on their villages, then you are lying.
                The local source's confirms they are running away because of being feared of possible operation.

                Certainly i have not asked them for the recent Army aviation airstrikes and i do agree that the majority doesnt support drone strikes either.In short if you talk with uneducated people of north waziristan,they will strickly not support both Drone strikes or army operation.If you talk with any teacher or educated person his view is completely different.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  no one knows whats going on in North Waziristan. Only pak sources and paki intelligence officials are quoted as saying this and that like they ever tell the truth. No journalists or third party organizations are allowed in FATA. They are trying to create this picture that the militants are leaving and running away to boost the moral of the pak soldiers because everyone knows they are scared shytless entering North Waziristan.

                  The only thing that is confirmed from afghan officials is that civilians have arrived to the afghan side of the border escaping the bombardment by pak military.
                  Most of the People left for Afghanistan are originally the People of Afghanistan but now with Pakistani citizenship and the foriegn fighters living with family in north waziristan.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    Most of the People left for Afghanistan are originally the People of Afghanistan but now with Pakistani citizenship and the foriegn fighters living with family in north waziristan.
                    only pak military officials are saying that, and they always tell the truth because in your eyes they speak the word of God.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      only pak military officials are saying that, and they always tell the truth because in your eyes they speak the word of God.
                      Well Da Bannu is one hybrid Pashtun-Punjabi much sodomized by the propaganda of Pakistan's education system. He can claim anything.

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