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Assuming Every one is equal as long as everyone is human, then afghan being superior to pakistani is nonsense.Originally posted by tripledouble View Postyour comment is inaccurate because Pakistan was carved out of British India and not the Republic of India that was created on August 15, 1947 one day after Pakistan!
Pakistan's Eastern people are Indic NOT Indian, there's a difference, it's like if i call Afghans "Iranians" that would be wrong because there's a difference between Iranic and Iranian, sameway there's a difference between Indic and Indian.
And Bannu Mazdigars comment was accurate, all of the history of the land that makes up Pakistan, is our history, we're the inheritors of the Indus valley,Gandhara,Mehrgarh civilisations
it doesn't matter what the name of this land is now, is still the same land.
And yes Punjabis and Sindis descend from Hindu converts(not the Sindhi-baloch tho) but Pashtuns and Baloch descend from Zoroaster converts so i don't see how you're superior.
superiority is therefore due to some other defining parameter; tall and strong, cunning and shrewd, black or white, integrity, honour, honesty, being civilised etc ...... What ever your definition of superiority may be.
What is perhaps important is to know who your ancestors are, and what you mean by the identity you choose.
Pakistan is a political name, not ethnicity. Sikh is a religious identity, punjabi is geo-identity. One time Afghan meant pashtun exclusively, but now tajik, uzbek ...... and even some peshawari are claiming Afghan identity! Meaning has been changed to suit some people.
With time these tags change, eg, political identity pakistani superceded british indian - now you could choose your desired identity by various tags to enhance your status, punjabi or sindhi, hindu or sikh converts, zamindar or kami.
What you are now is temprarily defined by the land you live on, the name you carry and language you speak, even by passport you carry. Like this.
Me: Hey Thomas where are you from?
indian looking guy called Thomas: #I am Canadian bud bud ding ding#
Me: no, man, where are you and your family from?
Indian looking guy called Thomas: oh, we are half Indian, half Portuguese, but we are Canadian kanuk, we play ice hockey and drink Tim Horton coffee
Me thinking: so bud bud ding ding is originally Goan, one of his ancestor two centuries ago got inseminated by colonial white Portuguese, and eight generations later he is still half indian, half Portuguese with now has a Canadian passport and real complex - WTF!
So in a time "frame of reference" you are either pakistani, british indian, hindu/sikh/etc, indus valley/gandaharan/moenjodaran/etc, ......... or out of africa african.
There is no doubt in a frame work of century, there are plenty pakistanis who were born in india. Expand time to couple of centuries, same people had ancestors who were either hindu.
LoL - All Sikh are not Pakistani, except a minority. Thats like running before you can walk!
These tags are complicated and only become meaningful when you define what you mean by your terms: pakistani, punjabi etc.Last edited by torkham; 06-03-2014, 10:39 AM.
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Originally posted by tripledouble View PostEastern parts of Pakistan did have a Hindu past but calling it an "Indian" past would be like me calling Afghanistan's history as "Iranian".
That is false, the Pakistani governent doesn't deny it, infact they teach this in schools, Moenjo-daro is on the back of the 20 rupee bill and it's protected by the national government, also the new airport in Islamabad is called Gandhara airport, there are schools named after Indus and companies too and Pakistan's population is mostly concentrated along the Indus river,you're just reiterating the same propaganda the Indian media feeds you in Afghanistan.
No, the world admires the Indus valley civilastion, when i was Taxilla i met European tourists that were visiting to see the ruins of gandhara civilisation, and all over the world historians and archaelogists admire the artifacts discovered in Pakistan, we believe in no fantasy, we believe in reality which unfortunately you're too high to realize
i think everybody needs to see these links first , everybody was a hindu or buddist in pakistan india and afghanistan before they converted to islam. Its just hinduism had different forms and every ethnic group i think followed different form. Pashtuns were the frst to convert to islam in this region, which is the only truth.. I think Afghan pashtuns need to have a look at this link especially the shahis part al beruni version
Calling muslims hindu again and again is similar to the case where arabs even though, had preached islam everywhere but to keep themselves superior they use to refer to every non arab muslim as ajam.
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Originally posted by torkham View PostAssuming Every one is equal as long as everyone is human, then afghan being superior to pakistani is nonsense.
superiority is therefore due to some other defining parameter; tall and strong, cunning and shrewd, black or white, integrity, honour, honesty, being civilised etc ...... What ever your definition of superiority may be.
What is perhaps important is to know who your ancestors are, and what you mean by the identity you choose.
Pakistan is a political name, not ethnicity. Sikh is a religious identity, punjabi is geo-identity. One time Afghan meant pashtun exclusively, but now tajik, uzbek ...... and even some peshawari are claiming Afghan identity! Meaning has been changed to suit some people.
With time these tags change, eg, political identity pakistani superceded british indian - now you could choose your desired identity by various tags to enhance your status, punjabi or sindhi, hindu or sikh converts, zamindar or kami.
What you are now is temprarily defined by the land you live on, the name you carry and language you speak, even by passport you carry. Like this.
Me: Hey Thomas where are you from?
indian looking guy called Thomas: #I am Canadian bud bud ding ding#
Me: no, man, where are you and your family from?
Indian looking guy called Thomas: oh, we are half Indian, half Portuguese, but we are Canadian kanuk, we play ice hockey and drink Tim Horton coffee
Me thinking: so bud bud ding ding is originally Goan, one of his ancestor two centuries ago got inseminated by colonial white Portuguese, and eight generations later he is still half indian, half Portuguese with now has a Canadian passport and real complex - WTF!
So in a time "frame of reference" you are either pakistani, british indian, hindu/sikh/etc, indus valley/gandaharan/moenjodaran/etc, ......... or out of africa african.
There is no doubt in a frame work of century, there are plenty pakistanis who were born in india. Expand time to couple of centuries, same people had ancestors who were either hindu.
LoL - All Sikh are not Pakistani, except a minority. Thats like running before you can walk!
These tags are complicated and only become meaningful when you define what you mean by your terms: pakistani, punjabi etc.
the thing is we muslims are not worthy of following a might religion like islam. We are divided on the basis of our ethnicity that we hate each other to death..
Jews dont care if its a pakistani jew, arabic jew, white jew , black jew or anyother , what they respect is that if the person is a jew he will be honoured and respected.
Over here What Afghans do is abuse all punjabis, sindhis, even pashtuns just because ISI and govt of pak did wrong to them. Do All afghans think pakistans love nawaz, or zardari or anybody else or are they satisfied with their lives.
If u look at this video u shud feel a bit respected as u were hosted by pakistanis especially pashtuns in a very honourable manner,
this is how iran has been treating u
‫برخورد غیر انسانی رژیم آخوندی ایران با Ø§ÙØºØ§Ù†Ù‡Ø§ Inhumane treatment of Afghans by the Iran Regime‬‎ - YouTube
Inhumane treatment of Hazara and Afghan Refugees - YouTube
Hazara International Network: Today is the 13. of Nawruz (new day) and people in Turkic and Iranian arias go outside to celebrate this day. Nawruz as a Turkic and Iranian tradition has been celebrated by the Hazaras for thousands of years. This tradition was banned by Taliban during Taliban Emirate. But now, the Iranian police...
The respect that you get in pakistan can be acknowledged by the fact that most business in Pekhawr are being run by Afghans, Islambad sectors g9 to g11 are all inhabited by Afghans , Karachi is 30 percent Afghan.
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Originally posted by Toramana View PostDishonesty of unlimited magnitude denying that Pakistanis were not a part of India or most of the Sindhis, Punjabis, Mahajars don't have ethnic, cultural, and linguistic connection with India, Hindus, Sikhs, and other Indic groups.
We have Jatts here and Jatts on the other side of Wahga. The same goes for Rajput, Arrayain, etc. etc.
Now Pakistanis may be in denial and plunging their heads in the sand thinking the world cannot see and recognize them but the fact is, the world knows and recognize them as the same stock as Indians.
It would have been more dignified and rational of you saying that although we had a shared past with Hindus and were till very recent past an integral part of India and still are the closest people to them in everything except may be religion but now that we have separate country we want a new identity for ourselves.
And when was Pakistan in existence in continuity from Indus or that matter Gandhara Civilization. Why not base your identity on something more concrete, useful, and realistic than on mere myth and outright forgery?
Grana wroor, don't waste to much time with brainwashed idiots. If you waste to much time on his ridiculous nonsenses propaganda lies and you must be his teacher to correct his panj baboonian education, he will get orgasm feelings towards you, trust me.
This is stupidity and barbaric fools are mostly product of mix racing, cultural/traditional, historical loss or typical foreign influence/education on the new generations youth. Still with internet today and all the foreign scholars from west, east, north and south, you find idiots who believe in one local source above the others.To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.
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Originally posted by rednwhite99 View Postthe thing is we muslims are not worthy of following a might religion like islam. We are divided on the basis of our ethnicity that we hate each other to death..
Jews dont care if its a pakistani jew, arabic jew, white jew , black jew or anyother , what they respect is that if the person is a jew he will be honoured and respected.
Over here What Afghans do is abuse all punjabis, sindhis, even pashtuns just because ISI and govt of pak did wrong to them. Do All afghans think pakistans love nawaz, or zardari or anybody else or are they satisfied with their lives.
If u look at this video u shud feel a bit respected as u were hosted by pakistanis especially pashtuns in a very honourable manner,
this is how iran has been treating u
‫برخورد غیر انسانی رژیم آخوندی ایران با Ø§ÙØºØ§Ù†Ù‡Ø§ Inhumane treatment of Afghans by the Iran Regime‬‎ - YouTube
Inhumane treatment of Hazara and Afghan Refugees - YouTube
http://www.hazarapeople.com/2012/04/...parks-in-iran/
The respect that you get in pakistan can be acknowledged by the fact that most business in Pekhawr are being run by Afghans, Islambad sectors g9 to g11 are all inhabited by Afghans , Karachi is 30 percent Afghan.
Porkistan is made 1947. Pashtuns/Afghans has lived on the lands from "Iran-Hindustan for thousands of years, they were kings and masters over the territory and land before Anglo Saxon dogs and others came to rule over you. I suggest you get over it, and stop believing "Afghans" has come to new porkistan. Many has lived there for centuries and has families that lived in other provinces in the west of great Pashtun lands. If their family members get problem with war, refuge etc, they can take care of them. "Iran" is another story, many mix raced arabian apes, they are jelous of how noble Pashtuns look beautiful, but they have been raped by arabs so they got arabic genes in them today, and look like arabs, and wars in the past with Pashtuns they are still angry about. But you dalkhoors have been our slaves and now are British/NATO slaves with some gun power to kill innocent Pashtuns in Pashtun provinces. But remember, power shifts, and Pashtuns bloodline never forgets the past.To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.
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Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View PostPorkistan is made 1947. Pashtuns/Afghans has lived on the lands from "Iran-Hindustan for thousands of years, they were kings and masters over the territory and land before Anglo Saxon dogs and others came to rule over you. I suggest you get over it, and stop believing "Afghans" has come to new porkistan. Many has lived there for centuries and has families that lived in other provinces in the west of great Pashtun lands. If their family members get problem with war, refuge etc, they can take care of them. "Iran" is another story, many mix raced arabian apes, they are jelous of how noble Pashtuns look beautiful, but they have been raped by arabs so they got arabic genes in them today, and look like arabs, and wars in the past with Pashtuns they are still angry about. But you dalkhoors have been our slaves and now are British/NATO slaves with some gun power to kill innocent Pashtuns in Pashtun provinces. But remember, power shifts, and Pashtuns bloodline never forgets the past.
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Well said. Everybody knows the truth about these Indians the British decided would be called pakis post-1947.Originally posted by Toramana View PostDishonesty of unlimited magnitude denying that Pakistanis were not a part of India or most of the Sindhis, Punjabis, Mahajars don't have ethnic, cultural, and linguistic connection with India, Hindus, Sikhs, and other Indic groups.
We have Jatts here and Jatts on the other side of Wahga. The same goes for Rajput, Arrayain, etc. etc.
Now Pakistanis may be in denial and plunging their heads in the sand thinking the world cannot see and recognize them but the fact is, the world knows and recognize them as the same stock as Indians.
It would have been more dignified and rational of you saying that although we had a shared past with Hindus and were till very recent past an integral part of India and still are the closest people to them in everything except may be religion but now that we have separate country we want a new identity for ourselves.
And when was Pakistan in existence in continuity from Indus or that matter Gandhara Civilization. Why not base your identity on something more concrete, useful, and realistic than on mere myth and outright forgery?
Punjabis are not ex-Hindu Indians?
Pakistani wedding dance, villeger dance, Punjabi cultural dance, Groom with his friends - YouTube
pakistani punjabi funny song - YouTube
Funny pakistani punjabi fruit vendor - YouTube
PAKISTANI VILLAGE LIFE PUNJABI TAPPE DHOOL AND BHANGRA - YouTube
Punjabi Mela Virginia USA Funny Pakistani Clips New Full Totay jokes punjabi urdu.mp4 - YouTube
Sufi Trance Dancing (Hal and Dhamal) Documentary Clip4 - YouTubeLong Live Baloch Freedom Struggle Until Victory!
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Long Live Baloch Freedom Struggle Until Victory!
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Lolz, most of u baloch look hindu to me. nothing iranic in u guys,,on the other hand most of the iranians call u guys meshki..Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View PostWell said. Everybody knows the truth about these Indians the British decided would be called pakis post-1947.
Punjabis are not ex-Hindu Indians?
Pakistani wedding dance, villeger dance, Punjabi cultural dance, Groom with his friends - YouTube
pakistani punjabi funny song - YouTube
Funny pakistani punjabi fruit vendor - YouTube
PAKISTANI VILLAGE LIFE PUNJABI TAPPE DHOOL AND BHANGRA - YouTube
Punjabi Mela Virginia USA Funny Pakistani Clips New Full Totay jokes punjabi urdu.mp4 - YouTube
Sufi Trance Dancing (Hal and Dhamal) Documentary Clip4 - YouTube
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And btw how r u liberating balochistan by not being in balochistan....u in india or israel the best allies of ur kind of balochsOriginally posted by Friends of Baloch View PostWell said. Everybody knows the truth about these Indians the British decided would be called pakis post-1947.
Punjabis are not ex-Hindu Indians?
Pakistani wedding dance, villeger dance, Punjabi cultural dance, Groom with his friends - YouTube
pakistani punjabi funny song - YouTube
Funny pakistani punjabi fruit vendor - YouTube
PAKISTANI VILLAGE LIFE PUNJABI TAPPE DHOOL AND BHANGRA - YouTube
Punjabi Mela Virginia USA Funny Pakistani Clips New Full Totay jokes punjabi urdu.mp4 - YouTube
Sufi Trance Dancing (Hal and Dhamal) Documentary Clip4 - YouTube
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You have the appearance of typical rapist . Remove that avatar. The looks evoke revulsion(kidding). Baluch people speak an Iranian language like us Pashtuns. Better be happy with whatever your identity.Originally posted by rednwhite99 View PostAnd btw how r u liberating balochistan by not being in balochistan....u in india or israel the best allies of ur kind of balochs
Last edited by Toramana; 06-03-2014, 09:29 PM.
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I don't waste time on these low-lives. I respond only when these idiots go too far ahead in their stupid reasoning. Although, one can give some benefit of doubt to the Da Bannu for excessively been "pumped up" with the false Paki patriotism in military academies and units, this Pakwatan is a typical Paki baboon with the characteristic sub-humanism glaringly visible in his responses all the time.Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View PostGrana wroor, don't waste to much time with brainwashed idiots. If you waste to much time on his ridiculous nonsenses propaganda lies and you must be his teacher to correct his panj baboonian education, he will get orgasm feelings towards you, trust me.
This is stupidity and barbaric fools are mostly product of mix racing, cultural/traditional, historical loss or typical foreign influence/education on the new generations youth. Still with internet today and all the foreign scholars from west, east, north and south, you find idiots who believe in one local source above the others.
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