Free Balochistan is Israel's ally, says Baloch writer; Khan Kalat endorses idea

[Bengal_Tiger]

Israel and Saudi Arabia are secretly working together on plans for a possible attack against Iran in case the Geneva talks fail to roll back its nuclear program, British paper The Sunday Times reported....

According to the diplomatic source quoted by the Times, Saudi Arabia has agreed to let Israel use its air space, and assist an Israeli attack by cooperating on the use of drones, rescue helicopters and tanker planes.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.558512

There are lots of other articles on the Saudi-Israeli alliance.

Saudi is one of the richest countries in the world. The society is relatively rich and peaceful. They do not even take in refugees from Syria whilst claiming they love the Syrians and care about their welfare and shed tears for them, it just so happens the Assad regime is pro-Iran, maybe that's the real reason for their "concern" over Syria, a country whose people they don't want to have in their land as refugees.

Baloch however are being killed. They are being tortured. They have no state, no army, no government, nothing so of course they will turn to anyone for support.

- Have the Baloch killed more Muslims than the Pakistan army?

- Have the Baloch set up rape camps for Muslim women as the Pakistan army did in 1971 in Bangladesh, something which even Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL and Boko Haram have not done?

- Have the Baloch damaged mosques as the Pakistan army have done in Bangladesh and Pakhtunkhwa?


Once again we see ignorant people condemning the Baloch, and we see the "Islam" card being used by Pakistani/Punjabi nationalists to justify the Pakistani nationalist agenda.

[MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION]

[Blueberry Mountain]

bengal_tiger how you make money by posting crap?

what yo secret dude?

[Shah-i-Kot]

Can you tell me how much does Pakistan recieve as aid per year?and how much it count in %age of GDP.

All the developing countries in the world recieve aid and the list include countries like india,Turkey,iran,Bangladesh,china,Afghanistan.In short 2/3rd of the world

Just look at it and Don't push comments when you don't even know the basics about foriegn Aid.

Atleast i didnt expected you to push the typical aid and begging comments like the other member of this forum.

What foreign aid? Pakistan is and has been getting paid US billions of dollars a year to support the US/NATO war in Afghanistan with the NATO supply lines That is not 'aid.' You can add the continuous IMF loans to this too.

Meanwhile Pakistan also has given foriegn aid to countries like afghanistan(500Million dollars).

Pakistan made billions of dollars out of the NATO supply routes to the US/NATO war in Afghanistan for the 14 years. This war has resulted in countless Afghan casualties.

Pakistan in fact owes reparations that ought to be calculated by some independent think tank. NATO supply lines came from Islamabad and Rawalpindi, not from Beijing, Delhi, Tehran, or Tel Aviv for that matter. This is the definition of Pakistan.

[tripledouble]

What foreign aid? Pakistan is and has been getting paid US billions of dollars a year to support the US/NATO war in Afghanistan with the NATO supply lines That is not 'aid.' You can add the continuous IMF loans to this too.




Pakistan made billions of dollars out of the NATO supply routes to the US/NATO war in Afghanistan for the 14 years. This war has resulted in countless Afghan casualties.

Pakistan in fact owes reparations that ought to be calculated by some independent think tank. NATO supply lines came from Islamabad and Rawalpindi, not from Beijing, Delhi, Tehran, or Tel Aviv for that matter. This is the definition of Pakistan.

Doesn't Karzai and other Afghan leaders get paid by America too?This money doesn't even reach the Pakistani people, it goes into the offshore accounts of Nawaza and Zardari and the other people in power

[Shah-i-Kot]

Doesn't Karzai and other Afghan leaders get paid by America too?This money doesn't even reach the Pakistani people, it goes into the offshore accounts of Nawaza and Zardari and the other people in power

Karzai is a puppet which Pakistan supported/supports too.

Pakistan military flew Karzai on a chopper from Pakistan to Afghanistan back in 2002.

This stooge Kabul regime was propped up by the US/NATO and Pakistan has enabled this war (with the NATO supply lines) which propped up an illegal regime in Kabul.

[tripledouble]

Karzai is a puppet which Pakistan supported/supports too.

Pakistan military flew Karzai on a chopper from Pakistan to Afghanistan back in 2002.

This stooge Kabul regime was propped up by the US/NATO and Pakistan has enabled this war (with the NATO supply lines) which propped up an illegal regime in Kabul.

lol so that's why Karzai always cusses out Pakistan?!everybody that ever ruled Afghanistan was a Pakistani puppet , just blame Pakistan for everything

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

What foreign aid? Pakistan is and has been getting paid US billions of dollars a year to support the US/NATO war in Afghanistan with the NATO supply lines That is not 'aid.' You can add the continuous IMF loans to this too.




Pakistan made billions of dollars out of the NATO supply routes to the US/NATO war in Afghanistan for the 14 years. This war has resulted in countless Afghan casualties.

Pakistan in fact owes reparations that ought to be calculated by some independent think tank. NATO supply lines came from Islamabad and Rawalpindi, not from Beijing, Delhi, Tehran, or Tel Aviv for that matter. This is the definition of Pakistan.

If Pakistan suspend NATO supply line,The Afghan govt would be the first to cry over this development.Meanwhile Pakistan cannot do so because we have been supported for America for a very long time.A decade earlier america was more close to us than china or turkey.

Pakistan will look for its interest,Now if giving supply line to nato is the option than so would Pakistan do so.

Beside this after the salala check post destruction by american choppers in 2011,When Pakistan thought of imposing charge per truck for crossing into Afghanistan,The revenue was more than the aid Pakistan get with strings attached.

anyway,As i have told you 2/3rd of the world gets foriegn aid and Pakistan is not even among the top on gross base while on per capita aid level it is way too low.

Of total 2051Million dollars aid recieved last year only 700Million dollars was from America.The rest of it was only a developmental fund given by countries like UK,Japan,Netherland,Denmark.

Recently even Bangladesh is expecting a credit of 6Billion dollars from Japan.

IMF can't be put into Aid since Pakistan will not only be paying it but interest is also applied.By 2015 April The 7.6Billion dollars loan recieved by last govt will be paid(4.9Billion dollars already paid).The rest of the 6Billion dollars will be paid by mid 2017 while in the meantime our reserves will reach 19Billion dollars mark by dec this year from only 7Billion dollars in january.Expect it to reach 40-45Billion dollars in the following years.Paying back 6Billion dollars won't be a problem at all.

[Khostai]

This says enough about how horrible Punjabies are, that Baloch are siding with Israel. I hope you are pround of that.

[tripledouble]

This says enough about how horrible Punjabies are, that Baloch are siding with Israel. I hope you are pround of that.

only some Baloch, only 4 tribes are in the separatist movement and even among those tribes they're divided, f.e all of the Bugtis except Brahamdag are with Pakistan; Changez Marri is also with Pakistan sans the rest of his familiy; the Khan of kalat's son(his future successor) is also with Pakistan; the khoso,jamalis,mengals are also with Pakistan and so are most middle class Baloch; only some greedy Sardars and their brainwashed followers support this cause.

[randolph85]

any baloch fighting pakistan on a secular basis is delegitimized. how can one accept aid to fight oppression from people who made their name on oppression? there is desperation and then there is flat out apostasy.

[Kushan Prince]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.558512

There are lots of other articles on the Saudi-Israeli alliance.

Saudi is one of the richest countries in the world. The society is relatively rich and peaceful. They do not even take in refugees from Syria whilst claiming they love the Syrians and care about their welfare and shed tears for them, it just so happens the Assad regime is pro-Iran, maybe that's the real reason for their "concern" over Syria, a country whose people they don't want to have in their land as refugees.

Baloch however are being killed. They are being tortured. They have no state, no army, no government, nothing so of course they will turn to anyone for support.

- Have the Baloch killed more Muslims than the Pakistan army?

- Have the Baloch set up rape camps for Muslim women as the Pakistan army did in 1971 in Bangladesh, something which even Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL and Boko Haram have not done?

- Have the Baloch damaged mosques as the Pakistan army have done in Bangladesh and Pakhtunkhwa?


Once again we see ignorant people condemning the Baloch, and we see the "Islam" card being used by Pakistani/Punjabi nationalists to justify the Pakistani nationalist agenda.

[MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION]

The Baloch are in the same dilemma as the Kurds who are also trying to strive for independence and both are being denied it. Unlike the Baloch, the Kurds have to deal with 3 countries whilst Baluchistan just has to deal with Pakistan. The problem with both of these groups are that they don't sit down and negotiate with the countries they are being occupied to make and independent country but instead they resort to violence. The Kurdish PPK has resorted to suicide bombing and the Baloch Resistant army just kidnaps and kills Paki soldiers instead of taking the fight to Islamabad.

The problem with both of these nations is that none of them are united, Some Baloch want to be free, some are content with Pakistan, while the same goes for the Kurds. I think the Baloch will get despised by other muslims if they ask Israel for help just like the Kurds who support Israel. Both will be despised.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The Baloch are in the same dilemma as the Kurds who are also trying to strive for independence and both are being denied it. Unlike the Baloch, the Kurds have to deal with 3 countries whilst Baluchistan just has to deal with Pakistan. The problem with both of these groups are that they don't sit down and negotiate with the countries they are being occupied to make and independent country but instead they resort to violence. The Kurdish PPK has resorted to suicide bombing and the Baloch Resistant army just kidnaps and kills Paki soldiers instead of taking the fight to Islamabad.

The problem with both of these nations is that none of them are united, Some Baloch want to be free, some are content with Pakistan, while the same goes for the Kurds. I think the Baloch will get despised by other muslims if they ask Israel for help just like the Kurds who support Israel. Both will be despised.

Yes, the Baloch will definitely get negative reactions from other Muslims. However the Baloch might say, well what help are other Muslims giving us anyway?

What I don't like is the hypocrisy from the Pakistani nationalists on here, after all the damage to Islam and Muslims this British-created state (Pakistan) has done.

After Bangladesh won its freedom the Israelis rushed in quickly asking for recognition. We said no and still do.

- Turkey however has good business relations with Israel (behind the headlines) including gas deals.

- Egypt recognizes them.

- Jordan recognizes them.

- Morocco has good relations.

- Saudi has a covert alliance.

- Qatar has dealings with them.

- Azerbaijan is good friends with them.

- Iran has had dealings with them as highlighted in the Iran-Contra scandal.

- The Syrian "rebels" are quite friendly to Israel.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-officer-we-could-work-with-israel-but-quietly/

The Free Syrian Army could tactically collaborate with Israel in toppling the Assad regime, as long as such cooperation is carried out in utter secrecy, a senior FSA officer told The Times of Israel on Wednesday

The Arabs and other nations of the middle east region have dealings with the Israelis. It is the south-east Asian nations i.e. Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh that stick to the whole "Muslim unity" rhetoric and have nothing to do with Israel.

[tripledouble]

The Baloch are in the same dilemma as the Kurds who are also trying to strive for independence and both are being denied it. Unlike the Baloch, the Kurds have to deal with 3 countries whilst Baluchistan just has to deal with Pakistan

Actually a good chunk of Baluchistan is in Iran and the Baloch there are probably fighting, but most Baloch in Iran and content being Iranian because Iran is the capital of Iranic culture, also some part of Baluchistan are in Afghanistan and Afghan-Baluch seem content as well...so far.

The problem with both of these groups are that they don't sit down and negotiate with the countries they are being occupied to make and independent country but instead they resort to violence. The Kurdish PPK has resorted to suicide bombing and the Baloch Resistant army just kidnaps and kills Paki soldiers instead of taking the fight to Islamabad.

The problem with both of these nations is that none of them are united, Some Baloch want to be free, some are content with Pakistan, while the same goes for the Kurds. I think the Baloch will get despised by other muslims if they ask Israel for help just like the Kurds who support Israel. Both will be despised.

I think the Kurds are more pro independence because they have a much stronger identity, mainly because they have HUGE immigrant community in Europe and America, so Kurds born abroad feel cool talking about 'Kurdistan' and also the countries that rule over Kurdistan(Turkey,Iran,Iraq and Syria) are not as diverse as Pakistan, so in those countries you must be Turk,Arab or Persian but in Pakistan nobody is under pressure to be Punjabi in fact Punjabis don't want to be Punjabi

[Loy Afghanistan]

but the west no longer considers Pakistan an ally, they think they're the enemy, so it's funny that you call Pakistan a slave of the west and they call Pakistan slave of the wests enemies, confusing paradox

If you were free, you would not have English as official language and English law still in porkistan constitution, while providing NATO with supplies to kill your fellow Muslims. Just face the fact, you coward people LOVE THE DOLLAR and British pound since centuries back.

And listen little gholam, you have been occupied since thousands of years by others, ok? We don't even know what kind of blood line runs through your harami veins. Can it be, Jaat? Persian, Sakaa, Kushans, "Pashtun", Hindu, Panj baboonian, Sikh, Raj put, Mongol, Arab, British? This is how many masters you had in just 2000 years.

We have been invaded 700 times, in the past 2000 years and always come out victorious, no matter the PRICE. And right now being invaded by 60-70 countries working together, and still, they can't take over our holy noble and ancient soil. You know why? Because pure Pashtuns soul has always been free, and our ways are noble, you can always trust a true Pashtun, because he would never sell you out you or his soul. Porkis etc like to surrender easy, just to live on their knees, the history has shown us that pretty clear.

Many are jealous of the pure Pashtuns, specially, mix raced ones and outcasts here that want to belong to the noble line. Because we are pure and the pure never commits aggression with no reason.

[tripledouble]

If you were free, you would not have English as official language and English law still in porkistan constitution, while providing NATO with supplies to kill your fellow Muslims. Just face the fact, you coward people LOVE THE DOLLAR and British pound since centuries back.

Um....English is now a universal language and Pakistan is a diverse country with many langauges but Urdu is the national language and lingua franca and so is English, i see nothing wrong with that, and as for 'killing fellow muslims', the talibs are not muslims.

And listen little gholam, you have been occupied since thousands of years by others, ok? We don't even know what kind of blood line runs through your harami veins. Can it be, Jaat? Persian, Sakaa, Kushans, "Pashtun", Hindu, Panj baboonian, Sikh, Raj put, Mongol, Arab, British? This is how many masters you had in just 2000 years.

lol 'gholam', i'm a hazarewal and my paternal line is from the tareen tribe and moms ancestry is diverse.

We have been invaded 700 times, in the past 2000 years and always come out victorious, no matter the PRICE. And right now being invaded by 60-70 countries working together, and still, they can't take over our holy noble and ancient soil. You know why? Because pure Pashtuns soul has always been free, and our ways are noble, you can always trust a true Pashtun, because he would never sell you out you or his soul. Porkis etc like to surrender easy, just to live on their knees, the history has shown us that pretty clear.

Yawn, keep fighting, i'm sure you feel good about yourself now.

Many are jealous of the pure Pashtuns, specially, mix raced ones and outcasts here that want to belong to the noble line. Because we are pure and the pure never commits aggression with no reason.

idk who ever said i want to be pashtun, i'm proud to be a hindkowan-pakistani and i just acknowlege my pashtun ancestry, that's it.