2016 Departure Date

[کیش]

They will probably titrate down to a residual force, but it will just be a continued hemorrhaging of money and resources.

It would be but keeping a sizable number of soldiers, and carriers is still rational compared to having 100,000+ troops plus who knows how many logistics and supplies in each country. US army is still in Germany, South Korea and Japan decades after being in war with them.

This is how colonialism works in the 21st century.

[Kushan Prince]

Well America doesn't want to leave the country because of the discovery of minerals worth over 3 trillion dollars over there.

It would be stupid to leave and not make profit of it.

[کیش]

thats not invested money, thats lost money, actually debt.

No it isn't. Afghanistan has precious elements worth trillions. That is their invested interest. Since they have invested close to a trillion they have a right to it, in their defense.

America also sells advanced weaponry to Saudia Arabia, so they make their money back stationing over there.

[khushal]

Comparing and contrasting, Iraq's stability would be Afghanistan's darkest days in these wars. Iraq has faced a nightmare of a civil war and unfortunately there is no end in sight. Afghanistan is fortunate enough considering the circumstances to not have the horrible sectarian violence that Iraq has faced.

Despite Iraq being ruled like India was ruled by the British in the early days of the war with Paul Bremer acting as the Raj, the country never agreed to continued occupation. In Afg the aid money is already dwindling, these fat cats have already filled their pockets now its about having kaffir boots on the ground to protect their heads while they pretend to rule an independent country.

The only reason the Iraqi Shiite Gov told the Americans to leave was so they can have a free hand at butchering the Sunnis. Don't you remember, as soon as the Americans left, the Sunni Vice President had a warrant on his head and so restarted the sectarian violence.

[Shah-i-Kot]

This ought to shed some light into the US disengagement from the region. This is a former Secretary of Defense Gates saying this.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/bob-gatess-farewell-warning/

I recommended saying no to all the Israelis’ requests. Giving them any of the items on their new list would signal U.S. support for them to attack Iran unilaterally: “At that point, we lose our ability to control our own fate in the entire region.” I said we would be handing over the initiative regarding U.S. vital national interests to a foreign power, a government that , when we asked them not to attack Syria, did so anyway. We should offer to collaborate more closely with Israel, I continued, doing more on missile defense and other capabilities, “but Olmert should be told in the strongest possible terms not to act unilaterally.” The United States was not reconciled to Iran having nuclear weapons, but we needed a long-term solution, not just a one-to-three year delay.
Followed by

Aboard the plane, I became increasingly worried that the president might be persuaded by Cheney and Olmert to act or to enable the Israelis to act, especially if Condi’s position was softening. I decided to communicate once again with Bush privately. I said, We must not make our vital interests in the entire Middle East, the Persian Gulf, and Southwest Asia hostage to another nation’s decisions—no matter how close an ally. Above all, we ought not risk what we have gained in Iraq or the lives of our soldiers there on an Israeli military gamble in Iran. Olmert has his own agenda, and he will pursue it irrespective of our interests.… We will be bystanders to actions that affect us directly and dramatically. … Most evidence suggests we have some time.… The military option probably remains available for several years.… A military attack by either Israel or the United States will, I believe—having watched these guys since 1979—guarantee that the Iranians will develop nuclear weapons, and seek revenge.… A surprise attack on Iran risks a further conflict in the Gulf and all its potential consequences, with no consultation with the Congress or foreknowledge on the part of the American people. That strikes me as very dangerous, and not just for sustaining our efforts in the Gulf.

[کیش]

Obama also signed and promised to close Guantanamo in one year, did that happen. Just because somebody says and signs something saying they will doesn't mean they'll do anything. At the end of the day, who is going to say/stop America from doing whatever they want to?

[Shah-i-Kot]

Obama also signed and promised to close Guantanamo in one year, did that happen. Just because somebody says and signs something saying they will doesn't mean they'll do anything. At the end of the day, who is going to say/stop America from doing whatever they want to?

ok

[khushal]

Obama also signed and promised to close Guantanamo in one year, did that happen. Just because somebody says and signs something saying they will doesn't mean they'll do anything. At the end of the day, who is going to say/stop America from doing whatever they want to?

He couldn't close it, no one wanted the inmates in their backyard with legal rights and they could not let them go because of the fear they were going to enter the battlefield and they couldn't charge them because most had done nothing wrong except for fighting in self defense which is not illegal so they left them in a state of limbo.

[khushal]

No it isn't. Afghanistan has precious elements worth trillions. That is their invested interest. Since they have invested close to a trillion they have a right to it, in their defense.

America also sells advanced weaponry to Saudia Arabia, so they make their money back stationing over there.

Its too expensive to get those minerals out of there. It costs about $150 to get $100 of minerals out. Its kind of like the oil deposits in North Dakota and Calgary, Canada, if a barrel of oil is below $55, there is no profit in getting that oil out of the ground which is why the boom happened in those places after the oil went well above the $55/barrel mark.

[کیش]

ok

Nah man take that ok and shove it. All your post comes from wishful thinking and weak bases. From your obsession from China (who has never been in war outside their own land) and Iran. To your blind believe that somehow America will pack up their stuff and leave critical grounds solely because that is what you want them to do.

I see you always posting political stuff but you are not familiar with political science. Read and learn before having an opinion.

[khushal]

It would be but keeping a sizable number of soldiers, and carriers is still rational compared to having 100,000+ troops plus who knows how many logistics and supplies in each country. US army is still in Germany, South Korea and Japan decades after being in war with them.

This is how colonialism works in the 21st century.

ITs completely irrational. The Chinese have no soldiers or Navy ships stationed anywhere and the whole world is begging them to do business/trade. You don't need the military to intimidate nations for them to do business/trade with you. You just needs smarts.
That whole Crimea situation played right into Chinas hands, Russian gas is now moving East and China did not need a mighty Army to force Russia to sell its gas to them.

It is the war industry who makes money from these tactics that is advising/lobbying the American gov to promote these irrational policies.

and Colonialism does not work.

[کیش]

He couldn't close it, no one wanted the inmates in their backyard with legal rights and they could not let them go because of the fear they were going to enter the battlefield and they couldn't charge them because most had done nothing wrong except for fighting in self defense which is not illegal so they left them in a state of limbo.

They could of shipped them to federal prisons in the US, like supermax for example, for the high profile ones. The regular ones they could have given them a real trial. If someone wants to do something they will find ways to get it done. When they don't, they'll just stale it.

[کیش]

ITs completely irrational. The Chinese have no soldiers or Navy ships stationed anywhere and the whole world is begging them to do business/trade. You don't need the military to intimidate nations for them to do business/trade with you. You just needs smarts.

It is the war industry who makes money from these tactics that is advising/lobbying the American gov to promote these irrational policies.

and Colonialism does not work.

No doubt lobbying is the real benefactor.

Colonialism worked wonders, and majority of the world are still under colonialism. Since it was them who created artificial lines and installed puppet governments. Exceptions: India and China.

[Shah-i-Kot]

He couldn't close it, no one wanted the inmates in their backyard with legal rights and they could not let them go because of the fear they were going to enter the battlefield and they couldn't charge them because most had done nothing wrong except for fighting in self defense which is not illegal so they left them in a state of limbo.

Many Guantanamo inmates have actually been released already. I think closing it will be a decision he will make towards the end of 2016 right before Congress goes for vacation.

[khushal]

They could of shipped them to federal prisons in the US, like supermax for example, for the high profile ones. The regular ones they could have given them a real trial. If someone wants to do something they will find ways to get it done. When they don't, they'll just stale it.

they tried and the regular ones were let go.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/us...anted=all&_r=0